More Dangerous Criminals Disarmed - Who's next? You?

[accidentalfelon]

Notice what it says in the story below about "most criminal cases against citizens never reach any jury"

That is how it is done these days. The police and prosecutors will lie to these kids and scare the crap out of them and their parents about how they are going to face xx number of years on prison if they try to fight it in court OR they could AVOID ALL THAT by simply pleading guilty to a little old felony.

It's time to rise up against this assault on our God given right to self preservation.

Wake up America.

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TWO TEENAGE BOYS were charged with felonies after a neighbor reported seeing them shoot squirrels with an air rifle. Now 19-year-old Craig Mauro and Thomas Morgan face the possibility of joining Florida’s prison population. There is no chance of mistaken identity; Morgan was caught red-handed by a law officer. Additionally, Mauro had a marijuana pipe, but no drugs. That may add years to his sentence if found guilty by a jury.

Unfortunately, most criminal cases against citizens never reach any jury. Youths such as Mauro and Morgan are usually encouraged to plead guilty to felonies and accept probation. They will then be required to regularly pay a certain sum of money, or they add violation of probation to their rap sheet. If they miss a payment, they could then be arrested without trial and serve their sentence for the original charge in the plea deal plus an added sentence connected with violating probation. Thus, two more young people would be incarcerated without the benefit of trial due to the lack of money.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Teens Get Felony Charges in Squirrel Killing | NowPublic News Coverage Link Removed

 

[Warbirds]

Good find, some people definitely do not deserve to be labeled as a felon, the crime does not fit the punishment.

It's not like they willfully violated the law by carrying a concealed weapon in Illinois.

 

[Caribou]

Drug crazed 19 year olds with an assault BB gun, boy do I feel safer knowing they are off the street. This heroic animal control officer should be promoted to TSA where he can protect us from fingernail clippers and the ever present threat of a manicure at 35,000 feet. This is the only thing I can think of that scares me more than squirrel hunters.

Yesterday I was on a rant about cops making a video (in poor taste) with a police vehicle and equipment. I take that all back. Society would be better served if this guy would find a way to avoid work. Better yet he should go back to his old job as I understand he excelled at saying "would you like fries with that".

 

[Deserteagle]

Unfortunately, most criminal cases against citizens never reach any jury. Youths such as Mauro and Morgan are usually encouraged to plead guilty to felonies and accept probation. They will then be required to regularly pay a certain sum of money, or they add violation of probation to their rap sheet. If they miss a payment, they could then be arrested without trial and serve their sentence for the original charge in the plea deal plus an added sentence connected with violating probation. Thus, two more young people would be incarcerated without the benefit of trial due to the lack of money.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Teens Get Felony Charges in Squirrel Killing | NowPublic News Coverage Link Removed[/I]

Once again Im calling bullsh**.

Keyword: "encouraged" not forced. These 19 year olds were ENCOURAGED to plead guilty, not forced. That was their decision.

Now the part about not being able to have a trial due to lack of money, bullsh**. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you FREE OF CHARGE. These kids knew that when their Miranda warning was given.

 

[nogods]

Here is how it turned out:For Craig Mauro: Link Removed

and here: Link Removed

For Thomas Morgan: Link Removed

Mauro probably had a harder time getting the matter dismissed because of his rap sheet:Link Removed

Looks like he joined the Navy instead of becoming a felon

 

[accidentalfelon]

Once again Im calling bullsh**.

Keyword: "encouraged" not forced. These 19 year olds were ENCOURAGED to plead guilty, not forced. That was their decision.

Now the part about not being able to have a trial due to lack of money, bullsh**. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you FREE OF CHARGE. These kids knew that when their Miranda warning was given.

Please look up Nolo Contendere. It is what the kid had to plead. In layman's terms it means "I haven't done anything wrong, but I either don't have the money or don't have the ability to win my case".

If his parents had money he would have been DENIED a public defender.

I love how these guys who've never sat on the other side of the table are experts on how things work.

No wonder we don't have any rights in this country any more.

Shooting squirrels with a BB gun. Next up - Felony skateboarding and Making Snow Angels with felony intent.

Good Grief!

 

[Tucker's Mom]

Good find, some people definitely do not deserve to be labeled as a felon, the crime does not fit the punishment.

It's not like they willfully violated the law by carrying a concealed weapon in Illinois.

Ouch! that was a snipe is I ever see one....:no:

 

[Warbirds]

Ouch! that was a snipe is I ever see one....:no:

Just pointing out that this is more of the "Give a felon a gun" campaign that Accidentalfelon spews when he passes through the forum. Next comes the story of the revolutionary war hero that was a "felon" of his day.. blah blah. Same story, different day.

 

[accidentalfelon]

Just pointing out that this is more of the "Give a felon a gun" campaign that Accidentalfelon spews when he passes through the forum. Next comes the story of the revolutionary war hero that was a "felon" of his day.. blah blah. Same story, different day.

Good call DoveBird. Here's your question of the day based on history.

General Gage was the most powerful man in America. He was regarded, even by his enemies as a man of law and of high integrity. The colonists carefully calculated their moves in ways that kept them just out of reach of the law for a long time......till the time came to break the law.

Gage represented the law in America. He was well regarded by the King of England and trusted to keep the colonists in submission.

Many Americans felt just like you DoveBird. They didn't care so much about their freedoms because it really didn't have anything to do with them. They were supposedly living lawful lives.

They willingly gave up their arms when it was demanded of them because they didn't want to be lawbreakers like Sam Adams who defied the law and kept his arms. (In a city that had outlawed arms no less. Imaging that, defying an illegal law...unheard of)

After all, it was the troublemakers like Paul Revere and John Hancock who were causing all the problems.

Some of the population became traitors to the revolution. Dr Benjamin Church infiltrated the inner sanctum of the independence movement by joining with the small pack of less than a dozen men who started the spark of freedom and met in secret to formulate their next moves.

By all accounts Benjamin Church and General Gage were good, honest men who were doing the bidding of their country and trying to uphold the law.....a law that was perfectly legal and acceptable to much of the population.

So I ask you Mr DoveBird. It's 1774..........

Do you side with Paul Revere, the freedom fighting outlaw and wanted felon?

Or Benjamin Church, the informant for the king?

Whichever you choose please explain your choice.

 

[Warbirds]

Good call DoveBird. Here's your question of the day based on history.

General Gage was the most powerful man in America. He was regarded, even by his enemies as a man of law and of high integrity. The colonists carefully calculated their moves in ways that kept them just out of reach of the law for a long time......till the time came to break the law.

Gage represented the law in America. He was well regarded by the King of England and trusted to keep the colonists in submission.

Many Americans felt just like you DoveBird. They didn't care so much about their freedoms because it really didn't have anything to do with them. They were supposedly living lawful lives.

They willingly gave up their arms when it was demanded of them because they didn't want to be lawbreakers like Sam Adams who defied the law and kept his arms. (In a city that had outlawed arms no less. Imaging that, defying an illegal law...unheard of)

After all, it was the troublemakers like Paul Revere and John Hancock who were causing all the problems.

Some of the population became traitors to the revolution. Dr Benjamin Church infiltrated the inner sanctum of the independence movement by joining with the small pack of less than a dozen men who started the spark of freedom and met in secret to formulate their next moves.

By all accounts Benjamin Church and General Gage were good, honest men who were doing the bidding of their country and trying to uphold the law.....a law that was perfectly legal and acceptable to much of the population.

So I ask you Mr DoveBird. It's 1774..........

Do you side with Paul Revere, the freedom fighting outlaw and wanted felon?

Or Benjamin Church, the informant for the king?

Whichever you choose please explain your choice.

Here is my choice IntentionalFelon:

Here is someone that won't roll over in their grave like Benjamin Chruch and General Gage would if they learned that you were comparing yourself to them in a pathetic attempt to justify your actions.

"CUSHING, Okla. — Cushing police said they arrested a man Friday morning after a Walmart employee found a loaded handgun inside a jacket left on a store rack.

The man who is thought to have worn the jacket before setting it on a rack was arrested just before 7:30 a.m. Friday. He has been arrested on preliminary charges of possession of a loaded firearm while intoxicated, possession of a concealed firearm without a license and public intoxication, according to Cushing police. He is being held in the Payne County Jail on $2,500 bail.

The man was unsteady on his feet and had bloodshot eyes and slurred speech when police arrived at the store in Cushing, police said. The man told police he took an over-the-counter medication, according to police. Deputy Chief Tully Folden said he didn't know which medication the man claimed to have taken.

Police took a .38-caliber handgun in the investigation. The man told police he wasn't aware the gun was in his jacket, Folden said."


At least this guy blamed his carrying a gun without a permit on being drunk, you did it on purpose.

So there you go IntentionalFelon, you have more in common with this guy than any Revolutionary War hero. So try comparing apples to apples and not heroes to turds.

 

[Deserteagle]

I love how these guys who've never sat on the other side of the table are experts on how things work.

So are you saying you are a legitimate expert on law because you are a real felon? You opened up discussion to everyone on the forum, if you didnt want us to give our illegitimate expert opinions, than your shouldnt have started the thread. Im just going off common sense and a college education revolving around crime and deviance. Im by no means any expert, and neither did I claim to be, but neither are you.

You dont have to end up on the wrong side of the law to be able to discuss law. Neither do you need to be prosecuted for a felony to be able to know general court proceedings.

 

[NCIC105]

Once again Im calling bullsh**.

Keyword: "encouraged" not forced. These 19 year olds were ENCOURAGED to plead guilty, not forced. That was their decision.

Now the part about not being able to have a trial due to lack of money, bullsh**. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you FREE OF CHARGE. These kids knew that when their Miranda warning was given.

I'm right there with you..

 

[NCIC105]

I have a nephew who went along with his friends and stole a car...They had been drinking and made a very bad decision. The judge gave each young man the option to face the legal system or join the Navy. (owner of the car they stole belonged to a Navy Master Chief) they each chose the Navy. I have to say in my nephew's case it was the best thing that could have ever happened to him!


He has been in 12 years now, Married, has a son of his own...I just glad the Judge and MCPON came up with this offer!




I think the Navy saved his life as he had reached the age that he was going to do whatever he wanted to do and his parents be damned!


The Navy made a man out of him!


GO NAVY!

 

[SGB]

Not to mention malicious prosecutions like this one

Florida Gun Owners Still Face Arrest and Prosecution for Innocent Exposure of Handguns.

When Hueris Mora came to us, we did what we always do when contacted by someone who is facing gun carry charges. We set about researching the charges and circumstances of the incident. Link Removed only gets involved in these cases when good people face unjust charges because they choose to lawfully carry defensive arms.

In his case, it was immediately apparent that continuing prosecution by the office of Katherine Fernandez Rundle, Link Removed, for violation of Florida's Open Carry Ban was unjustified at best. Our consulting attorneys statewide were in unanimous concurrence that prosecution of this case, despite the ambiguous language of Florida Statute 790.053, was completely baseless. The Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office must have also known that they were in an untenable position because they quickly offered to take the possibility of jail time off the table.

Removing the possibility of imprisonment was not an olive branch offered in the interest of justice, it was in fact a Trojan Horse. This underhanded move was their only way to keep prosecuting the case because it had the calculated effect of taking away Mr. Mora's public defender. Once the Assistant State Attorney prosecuting the case had effectively maneuvered to deprive Mr. Mora of legal counsel, an offer was made. An offer so common in Florida that it is considered the standard plea deal... "You can retake the concealed course to get your license to carry back but kiss your gun goodbye."

Hueris knew he was getting the shaft despite having done nothing wrong, so he did what nobody before in Florida (that we know of) had done. He didn't sign the deal. This was a brave decision made despite having no legal help at that time.

Link Removed has consulting attorneys who do countless hours of pro bono work behalf of our members. Unfortunately, at that time we did not have a criminal defense attorney in Mr. Mora's area. That's when we reached out to Jesus "Jojo" Rodriguez. He didn't blink. Pro bono defense of a truly worthy young man who needs our help? "Absolutely!" was Jojo's immediate response. Our other attorneys and legal interns rallied together to provide support and Mr. Rodriguez, Florida Carry's newest consulting attorney, drove this case home. The charge of violating Florida's Open Carry Ban was dismissed with prejudice. We finally won this fight that deprived Mr. Mora of his handgun for nearly six months.

Last year, when 2011 SB 234 was debated in the State Legislature, our elected leaders were told about law abiding gun owners being arrested and thrown in jail for even accidental or incidental exposure of lawfully carried firearms. The State Prosecuting Attorneys lobbyist repeatedly said that "Nobody has ever been prosecuted for open carry." The fact is that nobody ever went all the way to trial. Many have been prosecuted; this was a case where a good man fought back. If this doesn't meet some lobbyist definition of prosecution, we recommend a Link Removed

Judge the case docket for yourself: Miami-Dade County Clerk Criminal Justice and Civil Infraction Cases
It sure looks like prosecution to us.

The Florida Sheriff's Association sent multiple lobbyists in uniform who said that law enforcement officers will use their "proper discretionary powers" and would never arrest someone for carrying a handgun if it became innocently unconcealed. Yet there is a 25 year history of some officers using subjective language in firearms laws to unreasonably arrest law-abiding people who choose to exercise their right to bear arms. In one such case, a man lawfully carrying was permanently injured when handcuffs were put on him with such force that nerves in both wrists were severed. All because part of his handgun became unconcealed.

Early last year, Florida's Open Carry Ban was amended to insert the subjective language asked for by the Florida Sheriffs and State Prosecuting Attorneys Lobbyist. This compromised language came with their promise that these incidents would stop. Subsequently Mr. Mora had to spend a night deprived of his freedom in jail and half a year fighting for his rights. Every month we are contacted by other law-abiding people who have been confronted, detained, and threatened with arrest because they were lawfully carrying a firearm in Florida and it "printed” through clothing or became unconcealed.

They have broken their promise and we now call on the Florida Legislature to repeal one of the most anti-gun laws in the country. Despite the Florida Legislature’s clear intent that people who have lawfully carried handguns, which may become innocently unconcealed, face no charges. As long as the general ban on open carry exists, these arrests and prosecutions will continue unabated. Florida Statute 790.053 is Florida's very unusual open carry ban, it was a knee jerk reaction when passed in 1987 and it is long overdue for repeal.

We need your membership to make our work possible! Please protect your rights in Florida by joining Florida Carry Today! Florida Carry, Inc.

About: Florida Carry is a non-profit, non-partisan, grassroots organization dedicated to advancing the fundamental civil right of all Floridians to keep and bear arms for self defense as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I Section 8 of the Florida Constitution. Florida Carry stands only to represent our members and the over 7 million gun owners of Florida. We are not beholden to any national organization’s agenda that may compromise that mission.

Florida Carry works tirelessly toward striking down ill-conceived gun control laws that have been proven to provide safe havens to criminals and be deadly to law abiding citizens.

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[accidentalfelon]

So are you saying you are a legitimate expert on law because you are a real felon? You opened up discussion to everyone on the forum, if you didnt want us to give our illegitimate expert opinions, than your shouldnt have started the thread. Im just going off common sense and a college education revolving around crime and deviance. Im by no means any expert, and neither did I claim to be, but neither are you.
You dont have to end up on the wrong side of the law to be able to discuss law. Neither do you need to be prosecuted for a felony to be able to know general court proceedings.

You are as clueless as the broke and unemployed professors that taught me "business" in college.

I still think about them as I throw hundreds of grad's employment applications in the garbage in search for employees who have a clue and are willing to learn.

Have you sat across from a detective lying and maninpulating and scaring the bejesus out of you with threats of 30 years for something you even didn't do.....unless.....you sign this paper that doesn't admit that you did anything wrong and.....won't affect you in the future.....then you can go home today.....

Clueless.

 

[Treo]

Now the part about not being able to have a trial due to lack of money, bullsh**. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you FREE OF CHARGE. These kids knew that when their Miranda warning was given.

You really don't know how the Public Defender system works do you?
When you apply for a PD you have to submit your finacial records and they decide if you can afford an attorney. If you have a car or a house you can sell to pay for an attorney they turn you down. They basically do not take you as a client unless you are indigent.

 

[Treo]

Have you sat across from a detective lying and maninpulating and scaring the bejesus out of you with threats of 30 years for something you even didn't do.....unless.....you sign this paper that doesn't admit that you did anything wrong and.....won't affect you in the future.....then you can go home today.....

Clueless.

I have. The difference is I actually was innocent and refused to sign and walked.

You on the other hand made a deliberate choice to carry a handgun where it was illegal for you to do so and found out the hard way that wasn't a good idea.

True or not?

 

[accidentalfelon]

So if a scumbag breaks into my house justice has been served for my misdemeanor when the scumbag kills and rapes my wife and daughter at gunpoint?

What a bunch of nutcases you people are.

It would be nice at this point if there were at least one honest retired cop who will stand up and educate these know it alls on how the system really works and not some crap they've seen on law and order.

 

[NCIC105]

You really don't know how the Public Defender system works do you?
When you apply for a PD you have to submit your finacial records and they decide if you can afford an attorney. If you have a car or a house you can sell to pay for an attorney they turn you down. They basically do not take you as a client unless you are indigent.

Sounds like you have played the game before..

 

[NCIC105]

So if a scumbag breaks into my house justice has been served for my misdemeanor when the scumbag kills and rapes my wife and daughter at gunpoint?

What a bunch of nutcases you people are.

It would be nice at this point if there were at least one honest retired cop who will stand up and educate these know it alls on how the system really works and not some crap they've seen on law and order.

And now you have decided to jump on the freak train!