More Anti-gun BS from cnn!

I couldn't get through the entire thing either. What a load of crap! Trying to tell us that only 37% of the public own guns!:angry:
 
Actually I thought the nyquil commercial with the naked hairy guy was worst then the report. If that commercial comes up when you view the video stop it immediately.

Straw purchases are crimes. They happen under even the strictest gun laws.

Depriving law abiding citizens of a commodity (be it liquor, prescription drugs, cars, or guns) because criminals will obtain or use those commodities is inane.

But, I thought the report was focused on how criminals obtain guns. Does anyone want criminals to be able to obtain guns?

The trick is finding a way to reduce the availability of guns for criminals while not inhibiting the ability of a qualified law abiding citizen to obtain guns. There is no easy answer because every law that makes it more difficult for criminals to obtain guns also makes it more difficult for qualified law abiding citizens to obtain guns.
 
nogods said:
Does anyone want criminals to be able to obtain guns?
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No, I want criminals behind bars.
There is no easy answer because every law that makes it more difficult for criminals to obtain guns also makes it more difficult for qualified law abiding citizens to obtain guns.
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Actually, it seems rather easy to me... Keep violent criminals behind bars until you believe they are no longer a threat to society. When you release them, restore their rights. If don't trust an ex-con with a gun, don't release him in the first place.
 
utimmer43 said:
No, I want criminals behind bars.Actually, it seems rather easy to me... Keep violent criminals behind bars until you believe they are no longer a threat to society. When you release them, restore their rights. If don't trust an ex-con with a gun, don't release him in the first place.
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I was focusing on the real world. the one in which all the criminals are not behind bars.
 
The Constitution is pretty clear. There are no illegal guns - just illegal gun laws. Funny, the northeast folks that want the southern states to tighten their gun laws don't want us to be able to tighten up abortion laws. Which kills more innocent people?
 
Makes sense to me.

utimmer43 said:
No, I want criminals behind bars.Actually, it seems rather easy to me... Keep violent criminals behind bars until you believe they are no longer a threat to society. When you release them, restore their rights. If don't trust an ex-con with a gun, don't release him in the first place.
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I have long been a proponent that, once a debt to society is paid, then you should be a free man or woman once again. If people realized how many ways there are to become a felon, thus ending your ability to defend yourself and your family, they would be shocked. As Festus pointed out in a recent thread, the most recent tactic seems to be to make all of us felons, thus unable to legally own a firearm.

nogods said:
I was focusing on the real world. the one in which all the criminals are not behind bars.
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Well, as the numbers show, almost all of your serious violent crimes occur after a felon is released from jail, so I think that utimmer has a point.
 
The battle is against us. Our only ally is the truth, but with outright anti-gun propaganda as this, we must remain vigilant and responsible gun owners. I can't remember the name of the liberal reporter in the DC area who was an outspoken gun critic until of course he shot an intruder in his back yard with a handgun. I suspect most that speak out against the guns want them for themselves but not the masses. Just the elite.:pleasantry:
 
nogods said:
I was focusing on the real world. the one in which all the criminals are not behind bars.
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Well wait a minute... Why is it anymore realistic to suppose that there is a solution to the problem of criminals getting a hold of guns than it is to make sure that the people we don't trust with guns are kept behind bars? If we already have a violent offender in custody, AND we suspect that he would commit violent crime again, why on Earth would we allow him to go free? What makes more sense? Passing all the laws in the world to "make sure" that he can't get a gun (which, after 20,000+ firearms laws, obviously hasn't worked thus far), or strengthening our penal codes and keeping them locked up?

You know, my favorite quote from Thomas Jefferson is the one I use for my signature line. But I must admit, there is another one that comes in at a VERY close second place because I find myself referring to it more often every day. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." In this case, we MUST NOT trample on the liberty of the many just because of the actions of a few. Instead, we must deal directly with the few. I just find it simply amazing that even the most irrational, freedom-hating, gun-grabbing liberal can somehow completely overlook the concept of keeping violent criminals in a cage.
 
utimmer43 said:
Well wait a minute... Why is it anymore realistic to suppose that there is a solution to the problem of criminals getting a hold of guns than it is to make sure that the people we don't trust with guns are kept behind bars? If we already have a violent offender in custody, AND we suspect that he would commit violent crime again, why on Earth would we allow him to go free? What makes more sense? Passing all the laws in the world to "make sure" that he can't get a gun (which, after 20,000+ firearms laws, obviously hasn't worked thus far), or strengthening our penal codes and keeping them locked up?

You know, my favorite quote from Thomas Jefferson is the one I use for my signature line. But I must admit, there is another one that comes in at a VERY close second place because I find myself referring to it more often every day. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." In this case, we MUST NOT trample on the liberty of the many just because of the actions of a few. Instead, we must deal directly with the few. I just find it simply amazing that even the most irrational, freedom-hating, gun-grabbing liberal can somehow completely overlook the concept of keeping violent criminals in a cage.
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Your fantasy assumes society has all the potentially dangerous criminals are in jail already and that we can determine who is a risk and who isn't. If that were true Nixon would never have become president - we would have know that he was a crook from the beginning.
 
OK, but seriously, if a felon can't be trusted with a firearm can he or she be trusted with an automobile, a kitchen knife, a can of gas and a match, a Louisville Slugger, a rope... ?
I think you get my point. If they're still a threat do not parole them. Nobody is doing their entire prison term any more. There are too many bleeding heart parole boards.
I have the same questions about sexual predators. If you have to warn everyone by posting their name and address on an internet site then just maybe they shouldn't be out.
Same thing with mental patients. If all these folks were kept locked up then we wouldn't need to be.
 
nogods said:
Your fantasy assumes society has all the potentially dangerous criminals are in jail already and that we can determine who is a risk and who isn't. If that were true Nixon would never have become president - we would have know that he was a crook from the beginning.
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No sir. I do not purport to believe that we can predict crimes before they happen, nor would I even suggest it. (Ever seen Minority Report?) What I do suggest is that once someone does commit a violent crime, we lock them up and keep them there. How foolish are we to release someone back in to society who we do not trust to behave themselves with a gun? And how incredibly STUPID are we to believe that we could, through legislation, prevent such a person from getting a gun?

AvidshooterTX said:
OK, but seriously, if a felon can't be trusted with a firearm can he or she be trusted with an automobile, a kitchen knife, a can of gas and a match, a Louisville Slugger, a rope... ?
I think you get my point. If they're still a threat do not parole them. Nobody is doing their entire prison term any more. There are too many bleeding heart parole boards.
I have the same questions about sexual predators. If you have to warn everyone by posting their name and address on an internet site then just maybe they shouldn't be out.
Same thing with mental patients. If all these folks were kept locked up then we wouldn't need to be.
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+1 My point exactly.
 
No matter how tough the anti gun law will be, the criminals will always get guns. Only price of those guns will go up. But law abiding citizens will stay defenseless. To both, the criminals and the government. The truth is, that the liberals are using criminals to take guns from us. The criminals are threat to me and you but not to our government. In contrary, we with guns are threat to the government. Because we can defend ourselves against possible government actions agains citizens such as implementation of martial law. Look at some socialist and communist countries. And now look at leftists like Obama, Pelosi and bunch of others. Just put it together and you will have a picture of the future.
 
AvidshooterTX said:
The Constitution is pretty clear. There are no illegal guns - just illegal gun laws. Funny, the northeast folks that want the southern states to tighten their gun laws don't want us to be able to tighten up abortion laws. Which kills more innocent people?
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You are absolutely right. I live in New Jersey, the state with a stinky, unconstitutional gun law and equally stinky abortion activists and it makes me sick. The liberals want to wipe their asses with the Second Ammendment and at the same time killing unborn babies. Have any of them seen 6 week pregnancy ultrasound? Bunch of morrons.
 
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