MMA fighter on use of weapons

[Firefighterchen]

UFC fighter Frank Mir talks gun control, knives, and martial arts - YouTube

What do you guys think of this guy and his views on the use of weapons?

 

[ironmike86]

Good if you have the training. But I think you need to qualify for a gun so it doesn't become like the wild west. Even mellow ppl have there moments of rage. But like he said crooks are gonna have guns or need to goo the the house to get there guns anyways

 

[TruckTurner68]

Balanced

Most of my friends are into MMA, or boxing I'm the only "Gun guy". All of them pretty much dismiss guns as useless, close quaters or not. This guy has a balanced approach. I'm one of those "Big guys" in this world who started carrying a gun when I was 21 years old at the request of father. Guns are equalizers. When I was 21 the smallest guy in the bar always wanted a fight. Usually because he was not alone or had a gun. My father got tired of hearing how many times someone pulled a gun on me (So did I). At the time I was a really good fighter, but now 23 years later my gun will have to do the work.

Now I'm on a tangent lol. Good video post.

 

[Treo]

Good if you have the training. But I think you need to qualify for a gun so it doesn't become like the wild west. Even mellow ppl have there moments of rage. But like he said crooks are gonna have guns or need to goo the the house to get there guns anyways

49 states now have some form of concealed carry and none of the "Wild West" predictions have come to pass

 

[Firefighterchen]

Good if you have the training. But I think you need to qualify for a gun so it doesn't become like the wild west. Even mellow ppl have there moments of rage. But like he said crooks are gonna have guns or need to goo the the house to get there guns anyways

Just like the guy in the video said, we need to give more created to our impulse control...we don't see people getting road rage, getting back in their cars and running other people over. More times than not they get out and start fist fighting.

 

[localgirl]

Overall I agree, though he's using some of those "facts" that have been passed around enough that people believe they're true.

Number one that states with higher gun ownership have less crime. Many of them do, but some of them don't. There isn't a clear correlation. The rates reflect population density and poverty rates rather than gun ownership rates.

Also, talking about penetration of standard versus hollow-point rounds. There are far too many factors in play during a shooting to say that a hollow point will only take down an attacker, while a full metal jacket will travel through. Anatomy is trickier than people realize.

He's also talking about qualifying, which is a nice thought, but not practical; and brandishing as defense, which is also a nice thought, but rife with issues.

I'm glad he's promoting a culture of defense, but I think there's a little bravado and trying to impress a pretty girl there.

 

[ironmike86]

49 states now have some form of concealed carry and none of the "Wild West" predictions have come to pass

I'm not talking concealed carry. If everyone started to OC carry then it could. Not everyone who can buy a gun can concealed carry. IMO I think gun rules should be strict. Sure ppl who OC carry on this forum also can CC carry.But I know a few ppl who should even own guns. But they get them JMO

 

[ironmike86]

Just like the guy in the video said, we need to give more created to our impulse control...we don't see people getting road rage, getting back in their cars and running other people over. More times than not they get out and start fist fighting.

yea in my area they are shooting eachother

 

[Treo]

I'm not talking concealed carry. If everyone started to OC carry then it could. Not everyone who can buy a gun can concealed carry. IMO I think gun rules should be strict. Sure ppl who OC carry on this forum also can CC carry.But I know a few ppl who should even own guns. But they get them JMO

So, basically, what you're saying is that you're an elitist authoritarian who wants to keep guns away from "those" people. Got it.

BTW Wa state is very OC friendly and I don't often hear of law abiding citizens throwing down on each other up there

 

[alduane]

UFC fighter Frank Mir talks gun control, knives, and martial arts - YouTube

What do you guys think of this guy and his views on the use of weapons?

I think he made perfect sense. He didn't suggest everyone should learn martial arts but that having people trained and armed would deter criminals from preying on the weak. He also said that there will always be bad outcomes but that the positive benefits would outweigh the bad. This is the real world and we can't create a Utopia with laws. He did emphasize training which is the key to any effective self defense whether with firearms, blades or other means. I didn't try to read too much into his statements.

 

[Shootinjh]

In 1941 in Poland, did everyone that needed protection against those that would initiate violence have the opportunity to get a government-issued document allowing them to have a gun? I encourage everyone to do research into probabilities, how many violent attacks are initiated by individuals who have their own motives, have purchased their own guns etc ... and how many are at the hands of a government agent.

Statistics show that the probability is that the attacker will be a government agent. Even though the US government would never harm any of their citizens, I fear the philosophy behind giving up the right to own/carry/use a tool that could keep me alive, and give that right to a "government" that can then make rules based on the whims of the day regarding giving that right back to me... well, that is kinda silly.

I like the video, and while the guy is not eloquent; he repeats a good point made by many throughout history... including on this forum!

 

[maybejim]

I'm not talking concealed carry. If everyone started to OC carry then it could. Not everyone who can buy a gun can concealed carry. IMO I think gun rules should be strict. Sure ppl who OC carry on this forum also can CC carry.But I know a few ppl who should even own guns. But they get them JMO

As far as I know there has been no problem with people legally open carrying. There are a number of states that allow OC.

As far as everyone who can buy a gun not necessarily being able to concealed carry, that is true where government plays political games with the 2nd Amendment. If someone can legally own a gun, they should legally be able to carry anyway they want.

There is no evidence that gun control laws reduce crime. Even the anti-gun CDC couldn't find any evidence of gun laws reducing crime.
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
Summary

During 2000--2002, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services (the Task Force), an independent nonfederal task force, conducted a systematic review of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of firearms laws in preventing violence, including violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury. The following laws were evaluated: bans on specified firearms or ammunition, restrictions on firearm acquisition, waiting periods for firearm acquisition, firearm registration and licensing of firearm owners, "shall issue" concealed weapon carry laws, child access prevention laws, zero tolerance laws for firearms in schools, and combinations of firearms laws. The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes.