military ccp/cwp question

[82dparatrooper]

I have a quick but possibly complicated question. I have tried researching it but with no luck only to find out the answer can sway from one way to another. I am currently in the military on active duty status stationed on Fort Bragg in North Carolina. I claim my state of residency I.E. I still maintain and hold a Florida drivers license and still claim Florida for taxes and such. Previously before North Carolina I was stationed in Georgia. Which at that time I got a Georgia CWP/CCP. Now that I have moved to North Carolina will my CWP/CCP still hold valid while im stationed here in North Carolina. I do not want to wish to become a North Carolina resident or be issued a North Carolina Drivers license. I dont own any property here in North Carolina I only rent.

cliff notes: Florida resident(drivers license) with Georgia CCP/CWP now currently stationed in North Carolina. Is my Georgia permit still valid?

 

[Aaron Manning]

The simple answer is: probably not. If you have a FL driver's license you'd be better off to get a FL CWFL, as most states offering reciprocity with a state recognize only the permits of that states legal residents. A non-resident GA permit might be recognized by some states, but most it will not be reciprocal. If you have time, I'd suggest contacting the NC State Police or the NC Atty. General's office to get their opinion. The websites of almost all states who issue concealed carry permits have information on reciprocity--many even offering conditions of reciprocity with other states and non-residents, that is the licensing branch's website (St. Pol., Atty. Gen., Dept of Ag. [FL]).

Hope this helps. I'll look it up and post something later. I'm off to church now.

 

[NavyLCDR]

There is nothing in North Carolina statutes that mentions anything in regards to residency for reciprocity. According to statute, your GA concealed weapons permit is completely valid in North Carolina:

GS_14-415.24

§ 14‑415.24. Reciprocity; out‑of‑state handgun permits.

(a) A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina if that state grants the same right to residents of North Carolina who have valid concealed handgun permits issued pursuant to this Article in their possession while carrying concealed weapons in that state.

(b) The Attorney General shall maintain a registry of states that meet the requirements of this section on the North Carolina Criminal Information Network and make the registry available to law enforcement officers for investigative purposes.

(c) Every 12 months after the effective date of this subsection, the Department of Justice shall make written inquiry of the concealed handgun permitting authorities in each other state as to: (i) whether a North Carolina resident may carry a concealed handgun in their state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit and (ii) whether a North Carolina resident may apply for a concealed handgun permit in that state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit. The Department of Justice shall attempt to secure from each state permission for North Carolina residents who hold a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit to carry a concealed handgun in that state, either on the basis of the North Carolina permit or on the basis that the North Carolina permit is sufficient to permit the issuance of a similar license or permit by the other state. (2003‑199, s. 1.)

 

[82dparatrooper]

Thanks for the quick replies. I have tried contacting my local sheriff department with no luck. I always get a voice recording and never get a call back. I'll try the Atty general's office on monday and see what they have to say about it. I have read that exact statue and I was under the same impression. I just wanted to verify my finding before moving forward to try eliminate any unwanted hastle by LEO's. Ill post up my findings once I talk to them on Monday. Once again thanks for the help.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Thanks for the quick replies. I have tried contacting my local sheriff department with no luck.

Never ask a LEO or LEO agency for legal advice. If they don't want you to carry a gun, they will tell you it is illegal and hope you never seek to determine what the real statute says. How many arrests are tossed out of court for exactly the same reason?

As a side note, no permit/license is required to carry concealed by an active duty service member in Georgia.

 

[82dparatrooper]

Very true, the more I think about it I should have went striaght to the Atty. General's office to begin with after hearing so many stories about LEO's not being up to date/fully understanding the law.

The main reason why I got my license in georgia is for traveling purposes that way I can still retain reciprocity with other states. Thanks for the advice NavyLCDR I appreciate it.

 

[tuts40]

-Whining on-

Just a side note about this and similar threads: Gee-whiz, all this BS permit stuff, reciprocity, "can I", "can't I", sheriff this, AG or DA that.... It's just too damn bad that over the years we as a country, our society, has gotton to the point that our Second Amendment rights have been infringed against so much and in so many ways, one little law at a time, that we are wondering if we can carry ("bear") arms here, there, where and whenever. Our Bill of Rights is becomming meaningless at the hands of legislators and left-wingy judges.

-Whining off-

 

[R&M]

Not sure but according to the permit info (tab above) for GA your permit from GA is no longer valid as you are no longer stationed there and claim FL as your home of residence. Best bet is to get a FL license. They will honor your active duty as training and do everything through the mail. FL resident is honored by just about every state in the southeast so it makes for less worry when traveling about. Good luck and thanks for your service.

 

[BIGJOHN621]

I didn't see anywhere if you have a valid Florida CCW permit. These are relatively easy to get and are honored reciprocally in North Carolina and Georgia. Your GA CCW should be honored in NC (I say should be because I relied on second hand information and didn't read the statutes myself, which I would do before I carried in NC).

One of the MOST important items is to change your address with the issuing authority. Most states are very strict on this (Except Virginia) and have penalties ranging from fines to revocation of the permit to criminal charges (NY). There are also (usually) time frames set that you have to notify them in. CT gives you only two business days, others 2 weeks, etc. Past this, I would list my Florida address on the GA permit and get a Florida permit if I were in your situation.

Lastly, be sure to check the local carry laws in NC as there are some prohibitions that are not so well published such as prohibitions at public gatherings over a certain size, etc. Be diligent in your research and keep a copy of them on you, if possible, when carrying.

 

[82dparatrooper]

Per the state attny's office it is valid and NC still honor my Georgia permit being that I am not a NC resident. Thanks for everyone's advice and help. I appreciate it!

 

[aosailor]

just OC! no permit needed, no worries about reciprocity lol

 

[maybejim]

Never ask a LEO or LEO agency for legal advice. If they don't want you to carry a gun, they will tell you it is illegal and hope you never seek to determine what the real statute says. How many arrests are tossed out of court for exactly the same reason?

As a side note, no permit/license is required to carry concealed by an active duty service member in Georgia.

That's true in a lot of states but many require you be in uniform.

 

[NavyLCDR]

That's true in a lot of states but many require you be in uniform.

It's against the uniform regulations to carry a personal concealed firearm while in uniform. What you are thinking about in state laws are exceptions for military members while performing their duties. Those exceptions are for military persons carrying their issued weapons. Very seldom are military members issued weapons, anymore, to walk around town with. There is more to the "in the performance of duties" exception than just wearing the uniform.

For example, Washington's exception:

RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(1) Marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens or their deputies, or other law enforcement officers of this state or another state;
(2) Members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves, when on duty;