Michigan - Survey - Most voters oppose concealed pistol carry in "pistol free" zones

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Michigan - Survey - Most voters oppose concealed pistol carry in "pistol free" zones

Most voters strongly oppose an effort under way in Lansing to allow concealed guns in schools, churches, bars and other places according to a new poll released today.

Even in households where at least one member has a concealed permit, respondents opposed the effort to allow hidden handguns in so-called “pistol-free zones,” the survey found.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/04/new_survey_finds_most_voters_o.html

Here was my response:

The issue with this poll isn't necessarily the wording of the poll -- it's the TIMING of the poll.

An anti-gun organization has taken advantage of a tragic situation that represents the exception to the rule - George Zimmerman is NOT representative of the vast majority of people who carry, either concealed or openly - to conduct a poll regarding attitudes concerning concealed carry in "pistol free" zones, KNOWING that people who would otherwise have been supportive of such measures would be extremely hesitant to voice such support now for fear of being labelled a blood-thirsty nutjob.

The facts speak for themselves. Michigan already allows someone who possesses a concealed pistol license to openly carry a pistol in such zones, and there have been ZERO incidents in Michigan involving such individuals. Now people want to freak out because someone might be able to carry a pistol CONCEALED? By definition, they won't even know that a pistol is even present? We went through this same hysteria ten years ago when expanded access to concealed carry appeared on the ballot, and passed by a 3 to 1 margin. There was no increased bloodshed. A year later, then-governor Granholm was forced to publicly acknowledge the success of the measure and its results, and the Grand Rapids Press printed a retraction of their previous opposition to the measure, citing the same statistics used by Granholm. In fact, MSP data (corroborated by FBI data) indicates that, statewide, violent crime has diminished by at least 14% in the last 10 years since the passage of that legislation. What I see here is nothing less than fear-mongering regarding a right that was declared earlier this year in the federal district court decision Woollard v. Sheridan to be a basic Constitutional right whose exercise requires no justification beyond the existence of the right.

As I said, the George Zimmermans (and let me be clear that I believe George Zimmerman precipitated an event that ended with an unnecessary death) of this country represent the exception to the rule. Earlier this year, Forbes Magazine (hardly pro-gun) published an article entitled "Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby." In it, the author quoted the following statistic from a Newsweek (a virulently anti-gun publication) report: "Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%)." Conventional wisdom holds that law enforcement officers are held to a higher standard than private citizens, but when it came right down to it, private citizens exercised better judgement than those who are supposedly trained to deal with precisely these kinds of situations.

The objective data are clear; there is no reason to fear the exercise of this Constitutional right. It is time for the fear mongering to cease.

The poll was commissioned by the out-of-state, anti-Second Amendment organization, The Campaign to Keep Guns off Campus, a project of GunFreeKids.org.
 
BTW, that poll was commissioned by an out-of-state organization in an attempt to sway our internal decision making process.
 
I can't agree with your response at all when you say that George Zimmerman is not representative of the majority of those who carry. The more I read and find out the facts of the Zimmerman case the more I think that his version of what happened was correct and to say that he precipitated the event is extremely misleading. Right now there is no evidence according to the investigator that testified on the stand that George Zimmerman did any more than check to see what Martin was doing and where he was then call 911. There is no evidence at all that says that Zimmerman followed Martin after he called 911, no evidence that he confronted Martin and no evidence that he shot Martin for any other reason than self-defense. According to you if we see someone walking through the backyards of our neighborhood then until he get into our own backyard we are supposed to ignore him and sit there cleaning our gun and writing letters to the editor.
 
I can't agree with your response at all when you say that George Zimmerman is not representative of the majority of those who carry. The more I read and find out the facts of the Zimmerman case the more I think that his version of what happened was correct and to say that he precipitated the event is extremely misleading. Right now there is no evidence according to the investigator that testified on the stand that George Zimmerman did any more than check to see what Martin was doing and where he was then call 911. There is no evidence at all that says that Zimmerman followed Martin after he called 911, no evidence that he confronted Martin and no evidence that he shot Martin for any other reason than self-defense. According to you if we see someone walking through the backyards of our neighborhood then until he get into our own backyard we are supposed to ignore him and sit there cleaning our gun and writing letters to the editor.

No, you should do what Zimmerman did - call the police. Then let them handle the matter. Otherwise, you might end up dead.

Lets assume Martin was a gang banger who was visiting a relative. He notices Zimmerman following him and Martin decides to take matters into his own hands, they way he does when "in the hood."

He lures Zimmerman into the back yard area of the development, then jumps him. But instead of trying to beat him to death he just shoots him with the illegal gun he was holding when he snuck up on Zimmerman from behind.

Kinda gives that "we don't need you to do that" statement from the police operator a little more meaning doesn't it?
 
No, you should do what Zimmerman did - call the police. Then let them handle the matter. Otherwise, you might end up dead.

Lets assume Martin was a gang banger who was visiting a relative. He notices Zimmerman following him and Martin decides to take matters into his own hands, they way he does when "in the hood."

He lures Zimmerman into the back yard area of the development, then jumps him. But instead of trying to beat him to death he just shoots him with the illegal gun he was holding when he snuck up on Zimmerman from behind.

Kinda gives that "we don't need you to do that" statement from the police operator a little more meaning doesn't it?

I'm not sure what your post is all about but until some evidence comes out or Zimmerman says that he continued to follow Martin I am not going to jump on the crucify Zimmerman for ignoring a direct order and tracking Martin down bandwagon. You can come up with all the funky scenarios you want to but as the investigator admitted under oath there is a serious lack of evidence to support many of the so called facts surrounding this case.
 
I'm not sure what your post is all about but until some evidence comes out or Zimmerman says that he continued to follow Martin I am not going to jump on the crucify Zimmerman for ignoring a direct order and tracking Martin down bandwagon. You can come up with all the funky scenarios you want to but as the investigator admitted under oath there is a serious lack of evidence to support many of the so called facts surrounding this case.

Where were they when Martin jumped Zimmerman? Giving Zimmerman every benefit of the doubt, and even assuming that he shot Martin in self defense, he still put himself in unnecessary danger when he chose to get out of his vehicle and venture behind the row of houses. If Martin was the thug Zimmerman thought he was, then following him into that location was pure stupidity. Had Martin had a weapon he wanted to use against Zimmerman instead of his fist, Sheriff Zimmerman would have been dead.
 

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