Mexican Federalis shoot at hunters in TX


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An ABC-7 viewer contacted the station early Thursday, saying her son, husband and friends were hunting on the Rio Grande levy on the U.S. side when men on the Mexico side fired shots, narrowly missing them. She said more men on the Mexico side drove up with automatic weapons and into to U.S. side. She said the armed men fired weapons and stole hunters' chairs and drove back into Mexico.

this is an act of war!!!!!!!
 

BigSlick

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If that had been me they would have received return fire. I think its sad that the Border Patrol doesn't take these invasions as a serious threat when we all know the Mexican Police and military are just about as corrupt as they can be.
 

tuts40

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-Warning: The following is merely an opinion-
As for me, if I was able to get outa there I'da beat feet also. The longer you stay with more and more men showing up to aim at you the easier it is to become coyote lunch.

Tough to say tho, not being there, what the situation actually was. We don't know if a "round or three" from the hunters might have gone over the river first. We don't know if indeed the Mexicans fired first. We will never know exactly how it went down. Therefore, kinda hard for me to say just how I'd react. Sure, we could all poor a big, steamy cup of "bad ass" and join into any "ooorah" that developes but the fact is we don't know the facts!

Now if someone had a video of the men that started recording BEFORE the interaction and all the way through it and if it turned out that the events were as depicted by the news story/original poster, then it's too bad those Mexicans can't be brought up here so we could tattoo an American flag an thier forheads and kick thier ass all the way back to the border and charge the Mexican government the cost of the tattoos. Now, if they complain about the tattoos we could use a .308 and remove them.
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Hoganbeg

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It appears they were dove hunting. Taking on a patrol armed with automatic weapons, when all I have is #8 bird shot, is not something I would want to do.
 

Hoganbeg

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It's time for a CMP deal on .50 Browning rifles. With maybe a good spotting scope and surplus night-vision goggles thrown in to sweeten the deal. Oh, hell maybe just NM M14s.
 

-06

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Shotguns against small arms is not a match I want to be in. Chairs are not worth one's life. This may sound like bravado but I would be back the next day with something that I could stay out of their range with. Just do not take kindly to being fired upon. Kind of "sticks in my craw".
 

BigSlick

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It appears they were dove hunting. Taking on a patrol armed with automatic weapons, when all I have is #8 bird shot, is not something I would want to do.

Me either which is a good reason to carry a backup when hunting. I read the article but didn't watch the video where it stated they were dove hunting. Many people I have hunted with have always had a rifle handy and a side arm is always a must especially if you are hunting near the Mexican border. No telling what you are likely to run into so it's best to be prepared. I bet in the future they will carry AR-15's on their dove hunt. I would.
 

Iam2Taz

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It was ABC reporting... Always Blind Commentary ... It would be nice to feel like you heard the truth just one time with these clowns.

As noted above, if it were true, then they are invading like a marauding band of wolves and should be shot just like we would wolves if they were getting after livestock.
 

walt629

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You know... I fail to understand how, by this time with all the crap coming across the border into the private property of these ranchers along the border, someone this side hasn't set up with a long range sniper rig and popped off a couple of invaders.

The citizens on this side of the border are, in my opinion, showing some astounding restraint on their part.

Confusion: The sensation experienced by the human mind when the senses over ride the urge to choke the ever loving snot out of someone who rightfully deservs it. Or in our Mexican situation, to reach out and touch someone at great distances.
 

Treo

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This may sound like bravado but I would be back the next day with something that I could stay out of their range with. Just do not take kindly to being fired upon. Kind of "sticks in my craw".

The problem w/ that is how do you know you're shooting at the right people?
 

Oldgrunt

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The problem w/ that is how do you know you're shooting at the right people?

Treo: That is a good question and one not to be taken lightly. If the alien was unarmed, to shoot would definitely be wrong. If, however, he was armed and popping off a few rounds in my direction, that would be different. Unfortunately, the Border Patrol can not be everywhere and, even if they were, their hands are tied as much as ours. If we were to shoot an alien, even in self-defense, Homeland Security would be down on us like white on rice. We can't trust our country to defend us anymore. The aliens have more rights than we do and will continue to do so until the Pied Piper is removed from office.
 

tuts40

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Treo: That is a good question and one not to be taken lightly. If the alien was unarmed, to shoot would definitely be wrong. If, however, he was armed and popping off a few rounds in my direction, that would be different. Unfortunately, the Border Patrol can not be everywhere and, even if they were, their hands are tied as much as ours. If we were to shoot an alien, even in self-defense, Homeland Security would be down on us like white on rice. We can't trust our country to defend us anymore. The aliens have more rights than we do and will continue to do so until the Pied Piper is removed from office.


The following is merely an opinion:
Good points oldgrunt. I agree that with today's nod towards anti-American, pro-anything else thinking, even if these mexicans were shooting at you and you fired back and hit one or two, killed one or more, you would be touted as an evil gun toting American shooting poor mexicans who were out hunting for food to feed thier starving families. The PC pieces of sh_t in our media, our government and the couch sitting and hypnotized Mr and Mrs PC American would have a field day trying to not only prosecute you for murder, but would take the opportunity to pass some good ol' fashion safety oriented gun laws just for fun. Anyway, just wanted to insert my .02 of agreement.
 

Treo

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Treo: That is a good question and one not to be taken lightly. If the alien was unarmed, to shoot would definitely be wrong. If, however, he was armed and popping off a few rounds in my direction, that would be different. Unfortunately, the Border Patrol can not be everywhere and, even if they were, their hands are tied as much as ours. If we were to shoot an alien, even in self-defense, Homeland Security would be down on us like white on rice. We can't trust our country to defend us anymore. The aliens have more rights than we do and will continue to do so until the Pied Piper is removed from office.

You need to go back and read the post I was replying to. The poster was talking about shooting at Federales not illegal aliens. He was also talking about going back the next day and setting up an ambush
 

Tucker's Mom

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Is it confusingly hard to understand that the 'aliens' crossed the border and 'stole' the hunters' chairs? If these aliens are on their side of the fence, how can can they stole the hunters' chairs? They crossed the border, THEY ARE illegal aliens! Next time it will no longer be chairs...it can be your kid they will steal from you and teach them how to be a drug runner...or ask you for ransom for your kid. How far are you willing to go?
 

walt629

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The problem w/ that is how do you know you're shooting at the right people?

Extremely good optics and a clear knowledge of the geographics of the area.

First off, the OP was about the Mexican Federal Police invading our sovergn territory and absconding with American private property only after assaulting the American citizen with deadly force. Under these circumstances in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico (not sure about California)if the offense took place in anyones home, the act would be considered voilent invasion, theft and assault with the use of firearm and the victim would be wholly justified in using like force to defend themselves.

Plain terms, they're on our side of the fence, assaulting US citizens for what seems to be sport. If these US hunters were smart, they'd go hunting again but have someone on high ground giving cover. I don't think they would have too much trouble finding a militia group that would like to give aid in this situation. Then if a Mexican jeep comes across the border with uniformed personnel there may a differnet outcome.

If the invaders were 'illegals' as some here have convoluted the story into, it is fairly easy to discern the 'casual illegal invader' looking for work from the illegal invader that is entering for more that a job.

If the illegal has what looks like a 50 pound bail of something strapped to their back and is part of a long line of other illegals with the same bundles on their backs, it's a good bet they didn't jump the border with their furnature on their backs!

Then again if the invaders are what looks to be a couple of adults and a bunch of kids, it's also a good bet that their main goal is a better life here than what they have over there.
 

sgtbill

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Sooner or later it has to stop. We can't let these people get away with this crap. We don't let people from any other country shoot at American Citizens and get away with it why let these buttholes. It is past due time to close the borders and force people to reloacte to this country the proper and legal way. Let them earn the right to be here and the right to our resourses.
Bill
 

festus

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Here is the rub...
The Federalis (Mexican Natl. Police) were the ones shooting at the hunters. They will always have the excuse that they were popping off rounds at drug runners or coyotes...it is the way they operate. The problem is that they broke three sacred laws.
1. They did not ask for American Law Enforcement's assistance before shooting across the border.
2. They were not 100% sure of their targets...hunters are not drug dealers and do not conduct themselves as such, that being said they fired upon innocent US citizens.
3. They crossed the border and illegally continued with the armed incursion and attack on the Hunters. The fact that they illegally crossed while armed is extremely bothersome. The fact that they felt the need to take the hunters camp gear is also extremely bothersome.

In my opinion this will continue until such time as a bunch of dead Federalis show up after being caught red handed or in the act of armed incursion. The next question will be the legal ramifications...I guarantee you that the US citizens will get the short end of the stick unless there is sufficient video evidence to clearly show the transgressions of the Mexicans. The video needs to beat the system to the news agencies and needs to be so sensational that there is no way for the Government on either side of the river to refute what is right and what is wrong. Anything else will result in even more corruption from both governments as they scramble to cover it up and "restore peaceful relations" amongst neighboring nations...never mind the fact that Americans are being endangered on a daily basis by Drug Cartels, Corrupt Mexican Police, and woefully inadequate border protection.
 

AlphaKoncepts

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If this is true, and if these were truly federal police/soldiers, this is an act of war. However in mexico the cartel drives around in vehicles marked like the police in police uniform sand executes their enemies... so who knows what the truth really is.


Walt 629 I don't think it'd be justified to murder someone for trespass unless they were within your home or threatening you or your family with bodily harm. I couldn't shoot someone for walking across my lawn or spitting on my sidewalk.
 

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