Medical Questions may take away your Concealed Carry License.....What?

[K-Products.US]

I was sent this from a friend but I'm not sure if it legit.... anyone else come across this notion or is it alarmist propaganda?

Subject: Fwd: Gun in the home? You need, should, to read this if you have a gun.

When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along...there are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation..
One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your damn business!!
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along.
While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions:1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU"VE BEEN WARNED !
If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.

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I cannot believe the above to be for real.

 

[bob steadman]

It's bogus. I've been in & out of the hospital, for an issue that is thankfully on the mend, for the past year now. Seen countless Doctors (all had to be specialist of course) and other than getting the standard question are you depressed or suicidal (due to illness & being out of work so long) I said no. I explained that I'm a firearms instructor, and between the amount of weapons I have, and pissing my wife off ever other minute, I'm still standing. For one thing -what would a nurse know about CCW laws or DHS procedures. She's there to wipe your ass and keep her mouth shut. Any questions I feel are dipping into my personal privacy I simply do not answer. When I've been told by anyone at the doctors office that I need to complete all questions on the form I tell them those questions are not pertinent to my medical issues or treatment. Now ranted I'm a former police officer & firearms & CCW instructor and not a attorney, but I've never heard of anaaything even remotely about this in any forum, and I'm on several from the east coast to west coast, and have not come across this before. Until you see something from a reputable source I'd give it no further thought.

I was sent this from a friend but I'm not sure if it legit.... anyone else come across this notion or is it alarmist propaganda?

Subject: Fwd: Gun in the home? You need, should, to read this if you have a gun.

When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along...there are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation..
One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your damn business!!
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along.
While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions:1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU"VE BEEN WARNED !
If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.

_-
I cannot believe the above to be for real.

 

[bob steadman]

losing ccw lic. due to answering medical insurance wrong

It's bogus. I've been in & out of the hospital, for an issue that is thankfully on the mend, for the past year now. Seen countless Doctors (all had to be specialist of course) and other than getting the standard question are you depressed or suicidal (due to illness & being out of work so long) I said no. I explained that I'm a firearms instructor, and between the amount of weapons I have, and pissing my wife off ever other minute, I'm still standing. For one thing -what would a nurse know about CCW laws or DHS procedures. She's there to wipe your ass and keep her mouth shut. Any questions I feel are dipping into my personal privacy I simply do not answer. When I've been told by anyone at the doctors office that I need to complete all questions on the form I tell them those questions are not pertinent to my medical issues or treatment. Now ranted I'm a former police officer & firearms & CCW instructor and not a attorney, but I've never heard of anaaything even remotely about this in any forum, and I'm on several from the east coast to west coast, and have not come across this before. Until you see something from a reputable source I'd give it no further thought.

 

[Treo]

I was sent this from a friend but I'm not sure if it legit.... anyone else come across this notion or is it alarmist propaganda?


I cannot believe the above to be for real.

If you can't believe the above is real why in the Hell would you post it?

 

[somewhatliterate]

This is, in fact, very real. I have a friend who receives partial disability for crippling arthritis. Within the last month he was asked by his DHS (Department of Human Services) worker if he felt stressed, depressed and whether or not he owned a gun. Yes, it is a new question that has not been asked in the past but is most certainly happening now. Big Brother IS watching and only has your best interests at heart. Yeah right.

 

[The_Outlaw]

I was sent this from a friend but I'm not sure if it legit.... anyone else come across this notion or is it alarmist propaganda?

Subject: Fwd: Gun in the home? You need, should, to read this if you have a gun.

When I had my gangrene gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital for what should have been an overnight stay the insurance company kicked me out. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along...there are comments from two other people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse just kind of slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.
Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation..
One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your damn business!!
So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along.
While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions:1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU"VE BEEN WARNED !
If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.

_-
I cannot believe the above to be for real.

Truth can be stranger than fiction.....If there's smoke, then there's probably a fire somewhere imo.

 

[Deserteagle]

Once again, this BS gets posted.

Ever heard of doctor-patient confidentiality? How about the doctor-patient privilege? If not, I suggest reading up on them before posting this crap.

 

[Gaagii]

I,ve come across this before. I ask the question (on this very matter) on another thread yesterday. There is some truth to it, after doing to tours of duty, I don't tell them no more than I have to.

 

[rdp357]

Actually there is a lot of truth to the OP's post:

I use the VA, I'm getting old and I suffer from major arthritis, it's eating me up. I take a lot of major pain medication and get steroid shots in my back about every 4 months, every time I go to the Dr's I'm asked different questions as mentioned by the OP. I've never been asked if I own a gun. I was asked one time about suicide and the nurse ( I was flurting with her) said I'm glad you said no because if I had said yes she would of had to send me to a shrink.

I think the questions are all case related, you go to the Dr's for a cold, they don't ask the same questions, that type of thing.

I do believe Obamacare is being tried out on the Veterans through the VA system. Things have changed a lot in the last 3 years.

 

[mmckee1952]

Once again, this BS gets posted.

Ever heard of doctor-patient confidentiality? How about the doctor-patient privilege? If not, I suggest reading up on them before posting this crap.

Maybe it's you who should be reading up on the HIPAA laws, its just like a the Psychologist who treated the Holmes person who shot up the movie theator, if she was aware of any possible harm to people from talking to Holmes she is required by Law to inform the authorties, which she did, she informed the campus action committee, but since Holmes have been kicked off the campus they felt they didn't have any legel requirement to proceed any further. It's a shame they didn't inform the police, the prople who were killed might have lived if they had told the police.

There are exceptions to federal HIPAA privacy regulations when a health facility believes there is an imminent danger. They can report your medical condition.

Public safety reasons include when a health professional believes that the person whose health information is at issue may harm themselves or may harm someone else. Verified threats to commit suicide or to harm another person give rise to an exception to the HIPAA Privacy Rule.

Quote is from BCI under Military & Vets site here under Guns & your Doctor









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[mmckee1952]

Speeking of Holmes, he's going in front of the judge today to talk about the notebook he gave his Psychologist Dr. Lynn Fenton where he talked about wanting to kill people, it should be interesting to see what the judge rules on wether the notebook is admissable for review. If it's deamed admissable I'll bet you the doctor's lack of actions to the police will be looked into, which they should be. She should have gone above the campus action committee for sure.

 

[Deserteagle]

Maybe it's you who should be reading up on the HIPAA laws, its just like a the Psychologist who treated the Holmes person who shot up the movie theator, if she was aware of any possible harm to people from talking to Holmes she is required by Law to inform the authorties, which she did, she informed the campus action committee, but since Holmes have been kicked off the campus they felt they didn't have any legel requirement to proceed any further. It's a shame they didn't inform the police, the prople who were killed might have lived if they had told the police.

There are exceptions to federal HIPAA privacy regulations when a health facility believes there is an imminent danger. They can report your medical condition.

Public safety reasons include when a health professional believes that the person whose health information is at issue may harm themselves or may harm someone else. Verified threats to commit suicide or to harm another person give rise to an exception to the HIPAA Privacy Rule.

Quote is from BCI under Military & Vets site here under Guns & your Doctor

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You are mostly right about question #3 in the OP's post.

Out of the 3 questions he said the doctor asks, only #3 is a possible way to breach the doctor-patient privilege because it could be construed as a future crime, requiring reporting. But wanting to do harm to people in general is not a crime, acting on it is. If the doctor breaks the privilege to report that a patient said he might want to do harm to others, the only thing that can happen is the police question the individual who can invoke his right to remain silent and then it is case closed. There is no evidence he is committing a crime or plans to commit a future crime based on his answer to that question alone.

The other questions are of course, irrelevant: "1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened?"

Feeling stressed is normal. It is not a statement that involves committing a future crime, and is not an exception to the doctor-patient privilege.
Feeling threatened is pretty common too, and just like the above, is irrelevant.

Another favorite part from the OP's post is this:

The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.

So let's get this straight, if you say that you feel stressed, your doctor can breach the doctor-patient privilege and report you rather than do their job to treat you? If this was true, the doctor would be breaking the law. Also, feeling stressed is what a normal human does very frequently and does not constitute a crime.

Feeling threatened is an admission of a crime that can once again be reported by your doctor? I dont think so.

 

[mmckee1952]

You are mostly right about question #3 in the OP's post.

Out of the 3 questions he said the doctor asks, only #3 is a possible way to breach the doctor-patient privilege because it could be construed as a future crime, requiring reporting. But wanting to do harm to people in general is not a crime, acting on it is. If the doctor breaks the privilege to report that a patient said he might want to do harm to others, the only thing that can happen is the police question the individual who can invoke his right to remain silent and then it is case closed. There is no evidence he is committing a crime or plans to commit a future crime based on his answer to that question alone.

The other questions are of course, irrelevant: "1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened?"

Feeling stressed is normal. It is not a statement that involves committing a future crime, and is not an exception to the doctor-patient privilege.
Feeling threatened is pretty common too, and just like the above, is irrelevant.

Another favorite part from the OP's post is this:

So let's get this straight, if you say that you feel stressed, your doctor can breach the doctor-patient privilege and report you rather than do their job to treat you? If this was true, the doctor would be breaking the law. Also, feeling stressed is what a normal human does very frequently and does not constitute a crime.

Feeling threatened is an admission of a crime that can once again be reported by your doctor? I dont think so.

Holmes DIDN'T say he was stressed, far from it, he said he wanted to hurt people, it's a far cry from telling a doctor your stressed by a long shot.

 

[eagleks]

All of your records are now on the great computer data-base so that other doctors you see can access them, from anywhere. So, they are NOT open only to your doctor and you. Surprise.... thank Obama... it was part of the Obamacare law passed.

Next, it is NOT bogus, it is happening in lots of places..... they say it is to insure the safety of children, locking guns up, etc. However, then why are they asking everyone.... even those that do not have children , etc . ? It's not passing the smell test.

I've been asked the question by my Doctor and nurse several times ... and they told me "it's part of the questions we NOW have to ask" ....... I side track them, by asking them questions and distracting them to something else to where they forget all about it.

Where have you guys been ? ? The AMA ..... started an "official anti-gun" campaign ..... which is where it seems to have started... but there seems other political connections with the AMA involved. Some have suggestion, it's gun owner registration thru the backdoor and thus, illegal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/health/policy/09guns.html?_r=1
Gun Query Off Limits for Doctors in Florida
Aug, 2011

In June, Gov. Rick Scott signed a law barring Florida doctors from routinely asking patients if they own a gun. The law also authorizes patients to report doctors for “unnecessarily harassing” them about gun ownership and makes it illegal to routinely document firearm ownership information in a patient’s medical record.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-03-28/doctors-nra-reach-compromise-over-gun-questions
Doctors, NRA reach compromise over gun questions
March , 2011

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...ti-gun-responsible-gun-ownership-home-triples
Doctor's office not the place for anti-gun politics
Jan 2011.
Gun-related questions in doctors' offices are based on a medical political movement against gun owners. That movement is led by the American Academy of Pediatrics, although the AMA and other physician groups have launched similar efforts against gun owners.

 

[coachdb18]

Since it's been decided that the government can require you to buy something you don't want, or suffer the IRS levying a fine on your income tax, perhaps we need to require everyone (liberals too) to carry a handgun, as a basic requirement of protection of ones health (strictly for compliance with the commerce clause, of course). Hmmm, wonder if they'll want to have to read that bill to find out first what's in it? At least then, there wouldn't be any further need for intrusive medical questions about my health.

 

[jkwparrott]

There is a question on my company insurance forms that asks if you have a weapon "in your home". I have always left it blank. We have an annual health assessment that we are required to take that influences how much we need to pay for our health insurance. During last year's assessment I left that question blank as usual. The person going over the forms said "You left a question blank" and showed me that question. I told them that it is none of their business if I have guns. I actually got into quite an argument because I refused to answer the question. Maybe I should have said "No, not at home, it's right here with me." and seen what they would have done.

 

[kelcarry]

Real, not real--that really is irrelevant. This country with an abysmal narcissistic leader and an excuse for an attorney general that is turning and has begun changing this country into a socialist/communist dictatorship has the beginnings, IMO, of Nazi Germany 1930, particularly if these pieces of garbage are around for the next 4 years. ACORN and SEIU are as close to brownshirts as we have ever seen and we have this garbage in the whitehouse who is as dangerous as can be, when it comes to our historic liberties under the constitution. Anything asked of you that in any way has nothing to do with your legitimate status on literally anything is something, at least for now, that does not require your giving away your constitutional rights, is something you do not have to answer. I may be broad in my statement and there are things that can probably be pointed out to me that do not fit my "one size fits all statement" but--bottom line--if the question to be answered makes no sense to you, it probably is something that should not be answered, no matter how bland its content may sound.

 

[bellyfat]

i heard a woman on a popular consevative radio talk show, tell about her husband aplying for medical treatment and benefits at the v.a.
they asked him if he had bad dreams. he said no. they said if he andwered yes they could get him more money. he insisted he did not have bad dreams.
later he found out that if he had answered yes, then he would have lost his right to purchase a gun. they litteraly tried to bribe him into answereing yes to that question.
they could have banned him from ownig a gun because of a mental disorder. ( very broad diagnosis of ptsd) but legal.

 

[localgirl]

Maybe it's different at the VA versus civilian hospitals, but I swear to you, a regular doctor will not report you or tell someone to take away your firearms.

I have suffered from depression most of my life. I was still able to purchase firearms legally because I have never been adjudicated mentally defective. I even signed myself into a clinic years ago -- still not a problem. A few months back I hit rock bottom and was sitting in my doctor's office, not only depressed but definitely suicidal. She asked if she needed to admit me to a facility. I said no, because I didn't want to lose my firearms. And that was the last I heard of it.

Yes, if you threaten other people, immediate action can be taken; and yes, if you say you are going to kill yourself others might take steps to remove the means for you to do so. But, in order to take away your right to keep and bear arms, it takes legal action and the ruling of a judge.

 

[mmckee1952]

I can't beleve that your doctor didn't follow up on your disclosure about being suicidal and having gun's in the house, at least contacting a relative close to you. Very unprofessional of her.