MD newest ads to force companies to prohibit open carry...

[ezkl2230]

Moms Demand (yes, they are maintaining a separate identity since merging with Everytown) is running the following series of ads in newspapers across the nation in an effort to force Kroger and other companies to prohibit open carry:

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Each ad presents the same question: Kroger won't let you in their stores with/without shirt, skateboard, or shoes, so why should they allow a loaded gun?

Well, let's see, Moms Demand: of the four scenarios they portray, inappropriate (or no) attire, a skateboard, eating, and carrying a firearm (at least they portrayed the firearms carriers accurately, with fingers off the trigger), which one is a right explicitly protected by the Constitution?

Good call, Kroger!

Note: this focus by Moms Demand on ARs is completely out of line with reality; in logical terms, they are employing the logical fallacy reductio ad absurdum to the open carry debate - making an absurd reduction to portray all carriers as AR carrying, potential nut jobs. While I have seen numerous people legally openly carrying handguns, I have never in my 50 years, even in my place of employment where I sell firearms (including ARs), actually seen someone enter a store or restaurant with an AR. Despite the headlines capitalizing on open carry events in which some owners choose to show up with ARs, the reality is that encountering someone in a public venue carrying one is exceedingly rare.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Despite the headlines capitalizing on open carry events in which some owners choose to show up with ARs, the reality is that encountering someone in a public venue carrying one is exceedingly rare.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]

The capitalized AR open carriers being targeted by the MDA are 99% from Texas, where they do not have a choice.

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[ezkl2230]

What does the Constitution say about carrying a handgun versus carrying a long gun?

Also, the capitalized AR open carriers being targeted by the MDA are 99% from Texas, where they do not have a choice.

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Did you actually READ my posting? I said that MD is trying to portray them as nutjobs; I have never made any such statement, nor have I ever said that the Constitution differentiates between long gun and handgun carry. In fact, I CONGRATULATED Kroger on protecting the right to carry these firearms AND noted that the right to carry these firearms is explicitly protected by the Constitution.

READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE MAKING SUCH ASININE ACCUSATIONS!

 

[Firefighterchen]

Did you actually READ my posting? I said that MD is trying to portray them as nutjobs; I have never made any such statement, nor have I ever said that the Constitution differentiates between long gun and handgun carry. In fact, I CONGRATULATED Kroger on protecting the right to carry these firearms AND noted that the right to carry these firearms is explicitly protected by the Constitution.

READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE MAKING SUCH ASININE ACCUSATIONS!

First, it wasn't an accusation.

Secondly, the post was edited to make sure my main point was getting across so others wouldn't get side tracked by my rhetorical question...I just wasn't fast enough.

Lastly, why did you not comment on Texas open carry not having a choice?

Do you need to, "READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE MAKING SUCH ASININE ACCUSATIONS!"?

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[indyyy]

They had this story, including the pictures on the local (Indianapolis) tv news last night. And about a month ago I posted about the local chapter of the MOM's group pressuring the district Kroger's on this same issue and pointed out back than that in the past 20 years that I've lived here I can't recall ever seeing a person open carrying a rifle or handgun in any store other than police. So I guess it's all about Texas or another administration scheme to keep focus on anything but the job they're doing in Washington.

 

[bofh]

I don't see anything wrong with these pictures:

- I wouldn't want a bare-chested man next to the groceries I am supposed to buy.
- I wouldn't want a skateboarder running me over while shopping. Note that bringing in a skateboard into Kroger is not prohibited. Using it inside Kroger is!
- I wouldn't want a kid with ice cream running into me or into groceries either.
- I have no problems with openly carrying long guns or pistols. Again, bringing in a gun into Kroger is not prohibited. Using it is for anything other than lawful self defense is! The same argument that can be made for skateboards. Although, a skateboard is not as efficient for self defense as a firearm.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Here is an accusation though.

From my experience, the pro cc crowd uses derogatory terms (ie nut jobs, psychos, idiots, etc) when defining open carry 10x more than the MDA. Maybe that made my view on your post biased, but I would like to know the following.

You stated the three images are showing gun owners accurately with their fingers off the triggers...that's MDA'S pictures of gun owners.

Why then, would you say MDA presents them as AR open carrying nut jobs in the same post you said was accurate?

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[BC1]

To illustrate how ignorant the moms are, grocery stores in many states are guided by health regulations. They CANNOT allow people without shirts and shoes. What else didn't the moms research?

 

[Firefighterchen]

I don't see anything wrong with these pictures:

- I wouldn't want a bare-chested man next to the groceries I am supposed to buy.
- I wouldn't want a skateboarder running me over while shopping. Note that bringing in a skateboard into Kroger is not prohibited. Using it inside Kroger is!
- I wouldn't want a kid with ice cream running into me or into groceries either.
- I have no problems with openly carrying long guns or pistols. Again, bringing in a gun into Kroger is not prohibited. Using it is for anything other than lawful self defense is! The same argument that can be made for skateboards. Although, a skateboard is not as efficient for self defense as a firearm.

Completely agree.

Anyone can carry a skateboard, a pint of ice cream, or a firearm through the store...what they don't want is skateboarding in the store, eating in the store, or target shooting in the store.

Why not put a picture of someone holding car keys in the frozen section and say they aren't allowed in the store because they aren't allowed to drive their vehicle through the isles...but guns can come in!

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[ezkl2230]

Lastly, why did you not comment on Texas open carry not having a choice?


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Wasn't necessary; that has been discussed in other threads.

My post was aimed at one specific thing - Moms Demand and their efforts to force companies across the nation, beginning in this campaign with Kroger, to pressure companies to prohibit open carry, and to make open carriers look like fanatics. Period.

They asked a question regarding why a store would ban certain activities and yet not ban open carry of firearms. I answered that question without making ANY qualifications regarding the kind of firearm that is carried openly.

I am, as my past postings will bear out, in favor of Constitutional carry. I am in favor of long gun/handgun parity, and open/concealed carry parity. I don't believe it should be any harder to buy a handgun than it is to buy a long gun. I don't believe someone who chooses to carry concealed should be required to jump through more hoops (as is the case here in MIchigan) in order to exercise that right than someone who chooses to open carry. I fight for these things in my home state of Michigan.

If I somehow misunderstood your posting, I apologize. My post was directed at MD alone (with the exception of the congratulatory note to Kroger).

 

[ezkl2230]

Here is an accusation though.

From my experience, the pro cc crowd uses derogatory terms (ie nut jobs, psychos, idiots, etc) when defining open carry 10x more than the MDA. Maybe that made my view on your post biased, but I would like to know the following.

You stated the three images are showing gun owners accurately with their fingers off the triggers...that's MDA'S pictures of gun owners.

Why then, would you say MDA presents them as AR open carrying nut jobs in the same post you said was accurate?

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Putting these photos back in the broader context of other public statements made by MD in the past, they have made it very clear that they consider anyone who would publicly carry an AR to be of questionable - even dangerous - psychological stability. They have indicated that carrying an AR is something only a paranoid person would do, and that there is no reason why anyone of sound mind would own an AR for home or self defense in the first place. After all, these are "dangerous assault weapons," "military weapons," whose only purpose in life is to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible with their "high capacity magazines." Only the police or the military have valid reasons to want or need these kinds of weapons.

Second, put the act of carrying an AR back into the context of the photos themselves. They picture three individuals carrying out what would be considered by most of society to be innocuous, innocent activities. The implication is that they have no concern for their safety when in public. On the other hand, you have the other three people carrying the very weapons that give Feinstein such bad nightmares, those evil black guns that, in another advertising series by MD, "…were banned in America to protect them."

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They are building on an established theme: ARs, "assault weapons," were banned for the protection of children and society as a whole. Yes, they were finally legalized again, but if we can ban books or rubber balls because they are inherently dangerous, then the evil black guns should be banned as well. We'll forget the fact that neither of the children pictured in of legal age to purchase or own these guns.

If it is truly the case, that black guns were and are worthy of being banned, then anyone who would want to own - and, heaven forbid, CARRY - a weapon that was banned for their own protection must be looking for an opportunity to shoot someone. Such a person, then, can hardly be considered to be sane in their view. As was expressed by Grand Rapids, MI, mayor George Heartwell in an editorial written jointly with Moms Demand, "Carrying a gun always, always represents the threat to use that gun to kill or maim another. That, after all, is why these people carry their guns… You see we can never know what that individual’s intention may be."

Someone who is always threatening to kill or maim someone by the mere act of carrying a firearm, let alone one that was actually banned at one time, cannot be mentally stable according to them, wouldn't you agree?

I find it interesting that, to make their point, MD breaks the law itself to take photos of underage young people carrying guns in schools.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I find it interesting that, to make their point, MD breaks the law itself to take photos of underage young people carrying guns in schools.

To illustrate how ignorant the moms are...What else didn't the moms research?

BC1 sums it up nicely.

 

[BC1]

I believe dodgeball played an important role in childhood development. It taught us there are weaker and stronger than us. It taught us to develop the skill to survive. It taught us to defend others and work as a team. These traits are sorely lacking in kids today. In the real world there are winners and losers. Everyone doesn't get a trophy for showing-up. And we keep score. Perhaps if Johnny played dodgeball as a kid he wouldn't have gone ballistic when he got fired as an adult. Play that mimics life serves a purpose in all animals. Unless of course you're a progressive social engineer who wants to create a society where no one is a stand-out, no one is exceptional and everyone is equally ordinary.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

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