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jwtollett21

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From cnn

On the economy, McCain defended his vote in favor of the government's $700 billion plan to prop up the lending industry, despite his insistence that as president he would cut spending.

"Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary actions," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in Manchester, New Hampshire.

He said he will consider a second economic stimulus package if he is elected president. His running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, said the day before that "this is not a time to use the economic crisis as an excuse for reckless spending."

My question to USA carry is, when is mccain going to quit the socialism and be a conservative and when will he and his vice president get on the same page with their policy''s? Give me your thoughts. Thanks
 

JW, if your going to continue to bash McCain at least post the entire truth. Obama and Biden also voted in favor of the bail out. Post all the facts not just those in favor of your argument. This will lend more credence to what you say and not lend to the argument to you being here only to cause problems. I am not a strict party line or one issue voter but I do post using ALL available facts. I support all thoughts on politics, as long as it's based on rational thought and not on biased decisions.

Obama, McCain, Biden all to vote on bailout bill - CNN.com
 

jwtollett21

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Obviously ron you haven't been reading my other posts and comments in other threads. You are absolutley right on Obama and Biden voting for it. The argument is not whether they are socialist cause they are. The only point i want USa carry to acknowledge and admit is that the republican ticket is also socialist in their own way, instead of giving to the lower and middle class and poor Mccain/bush/palin will give it to their friends. Oil company's, billionares, etc. Maybe a 5000 tax credit for everybody like mccain proposes, or like palin give her whole state 1000or 1500 or whatever it was. they all vote for the 700 billion package and would all consider another stimulus package. WHy do you think that the last 8 years of going into the whole as far as the deficit is concerned will change with either candidate. It will only grow. I just get tired of everybody here bashing Obama when both candidates should be bashed.
 
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wolfhunter

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The question then is this:
"Do we vote for the war hero with years of track record and an A rating from the NRA, or do we vote for the gun-grabbing, baby-killer supporting virtual unknown with an F rating?
(Isn't it strange that the same liberals that called our vets "baby killers" during Nam, have supported a baby killing industry since that war ended?)
 

tattedupboy

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JW, if your going to continue to bash McCain at least post the entire truth. Obama and Biden also voted in favor of the bail out. Post all the facts not just those in favor of your argument. This will lend more credence to what you say and not lend to the argument to you being here only to cause problems. I am not a strict party line or one issue voter but I do post using ALL available facts. I support all thoughts on politics, as long as it's based on rational thought and not on biased decisions.

Obama, McCain, Biden all to vote on bailout bill - CNN.com

I believe that he didn't mention Obama and Biden's votes for the bailout because it is already a well-known fact that they are already socialists and don't do much to try to hide it. The reason he's focusing on McCain is that he's masquerading as a conservative while voting in favor of more government intervention in the economy, which should be anathema to a legitimate conservative.

And as for wolfhunter's statement that McCain has an A rating by the NRA, that is absolutely false. See here:

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So, it actually befuddles me why the NRA would decide to endorse him.
 
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And as for wolfhunter's statement that McCain has an A rating by the NRA, that is absolutely false. So, it actually befuddles me why the NRA would decide to endorse him.

Tattedupboy, maybe the following excerpt will help with why the NRA endorsed McCain besides the fact that Obama is a known anti. The site is Link Removed :

John McCain on Gun Control and the Second Amendment
Although McCain currently holds a C rating from the NRA, his voting record on Second Amendment issues has been relatively strong; some speculate that his low rating may have something to do with his support for campaign finance reform laws, which has had an impact on gun rights advocacy groups. McCain has consistently opposed a federal ban on "assault weapons," but irritated many gun rights groups when he supported a bill increasing federal regulation of gun shows.
 
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wolfhunter

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And as for wolfhunter's statement that McCain has an A rating by the NRA, that is absolutely false. See here:

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So, it actually befuddles me why the NRA would decide to endorse him.

I mis-spoke. Rather than claiming an A rating for McCain, I should have only stated their endorsement. The NRA probably is doing the same as most of us: Backing the candidate with the closest voting record to our views AND a reasonable chance of winning.
 

jwtollett21

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exactly tatte. Thank you for helping me out their. I just want everyone to realize some things about mccain too instead of always on bomas back. The NRA is endorsing the right candidate based on their views and beliefs to. Obama don't score well with me on guns either but i am looking toward others issues that are more important.

WOlfhunter, just because mccain is a war hero and i agree he is doesn't automatically qualify him to be president. Obama is not a baby killer. He wants to do everything to reduce abortion. He says leave it up to the state and people that are actually in the situation. Like the mother, her family, thier religious leaders and faith. Being a conservative and pro america and all about small government why would any republican want a government banning or ruling to decide for me and you. Leave it up to the people and states. besides we have had 8 years of W and we still got abortions. So thats not even an issue
 
For those who still think Obama is going to be the savior of our country, take a look at his voting (or non-voting) record. It's rather long so look at the bills that sound interesting to you:

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Now do the same for McCain. One thing you should notice right off is his amount of non-votes, far less than Obama:

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jwtollett21

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good post ron. I reviewed the gun and abortion issues. There were only one issue on the guns they didnt vote the same on and it was this oboma voted no and mcain voted yes.

Official Title of Legislation:

S 397: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to pass a bill that provides liability protection for manufacturers, dealers or importers of firearms or ammunition products, as well as their trade associations, for harm caused by criminal or unlawful misuse.

Highlights:

- Exempts lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime

- Exempts lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect

- Calls for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought

- Prohibits the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations

- Requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices (S AMDT 1626: Adopted: 70-30. Record Vote number: 207)
 

jwtollett21

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Good post ron. There is no argument to that post. I like that its all about the issues and nothing else. Just review the issues and vote on that. Thats the way everyone should be. America gets to sidetracked on the things that are not important.
 

tattedupboy

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The prior three posts just reinforce what I've been saying all along, and that is that there are no good choices in this year's election.
 

jwtollett21

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Its a week from today and its hard to believe its upon us. I will be glad when its over. Hope we are all still friends after our disagreements. Thanks for your posts under this thread.
 

surfcc

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The question then is this:
"Do we vote for the war hero with years of track record and an A rating from the NRA, or do we vote for the gun-grabbing, baby-killer supporting virtual unknown with an F rating?
(Isn't it strange that the same liberals that called our vets "baby killers" during Nam, have supported a baby killing industry since that war ended?)

WOLFY- You hit the nail on the head with this post reply! JW- My apologies if you have found my replies a little strong....I have a dad who served this country proudly (27yrs USAF Col. Ret.) in an unpopular war in SE Asia back in 1969-1970. I'm lucky he came home alive to continue being my daddy. His roomate, Capt Holly Bell, was shot down and obliterated by a MIG. Shootdown of Jolly Green 71 by MiG 21

Capt Bell came home to rest in 1989....nearly 20yrs after he was shot down. You see now how that could have easily been my dad? I would have been only 5yrs of age at the time and could have spent the rest of my life wondering what my dad was like. I'm lucky and extremely fortunate that I got to grow up with my dad around. Capt Bell's children did not have that priveledge.

JW- This is the driving force behind why I will never vote for any President who would sell his military and his country down the river. Until the Democrats can appoint a true American in every sense of the word (Joe Lieberman comes to mind), then I will not bestow the honor of my vote on him / her. :nono:

John McCain gets my vote.

Semper Fi!

Surfcc
 

jwtollett21

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i believe bush has done what you said about running the country down the river. AT least i am voting on a possibility of something diferent. Everyone seems to forget that we are in a bit of turmoil in america now. Why is the guy who voted 90 percent with bush the answer. Can anybody here answer that.
 

sirsig1780

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Bush isn't the one to run the economy into the toilet. Congress controls the economy. Before the Democrats took control of congress the Dow was way up, gas and oil prices were low, the economy was much better. Bush is responsible for the war fiasco. Look and see how the Dems caused this mortgage crisis from Jimmy Carter and his Community Reinvestment Act and Clinton who forced the banks to make bad loans to people who couldn't afford them without even checking employment. Dodd, Barney Frank... and so on. But lets just give someone with NO experience, horrible associates, and a major flip flopper on just about every issue there is a chance just for the possibility for something different. You will get something different but I guarantee that it will not be good. He will make our country much weaker. He already said he wants to disarm the country.
 

Glockster20

Clinging to God and guns
Bush isn't the one to run the economy into the toilet. Congress controls the economy. Before the Democrats took control of congress the Dow was way up, gas and oil prices were low, the economy was much better. Bush is responsible for the war fiasco. Look and see how the Dems caused this mortgage crisis from Jimmy Carter and his Community Reinvestment Act and Clinton who forced the banks to make bad loans to people who couldn't afford them without even checking employment. Dodd, Barney Frank... and so on. But lets just give someone with NO experience, horrible associates, and a major flip flopper on just about every issue there is a chance just for the possibility for something different. You will get something different but I guarantee that it will not be good. He will make our country much weaker. He already said he wants to disarm the country.

Thank you SirSig for answering toilet's question so eloquently.
 

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