Maryland Concealed Carry Permit

[Craigzy1]

I went for my interview with MSP on Monday 4/16. Not a big deal, wanted to talk about any criminal background, past threats or assaults on me, asked about drivers license/suspensions, etc. and all of you will love this. He wanted a phone number where he could reach my wife. He needs to talk to her. I did not even ask why, but I am sure it is to ask about any domestic violence issues. I think the background check should be sufficient enough to answer those questions, but I certainly was not going to argue with him. So your wife may be the difference in weather you get a permit or not. I should have asked him if a woman comes in for an interview do you need to contact her husband, but of course I did not think of that until I got home.
Also FYI, even though the Federal Judge ruled that the Maryland requirement to have a good and substantial reason to carry is unconstitutional, this has not changed anything. He said that they have been flooded with permits that do not have G&S attached since the ruling. That everyone is simply stating their reason is for "self defense and all lawful purposes" this is a waste of your time and money. These applications will either be sent back or not considered for approval. Until MD is forced to change to a shall issue state and issue permits to those that are good law abiding citizens and can pass a background check that can prove that, we will still have to have a good reason to carry.

 

[Craigzy1]

I should also add that the Trooper that I spoke with said that he does think that it will be a long battle, but he thinks MD will be forced to change its requirements. No matter how you look at it, it is unconstitutional to require someone to have a reason to carry when the second amendment gives him the right to carry without needing a reason.

 

[Farmhood]

just got the call, I go for my interview with MSP 5/7

 

[brian b]

CCW question

can anyone leave me some info as to what amounts to "good and substantial" for the state of Maryland?

 

[Craigzy1]

You need to have proof of threats, assaults, armed robberies, etc. that have happened to you. You need to have documents that support your claims like police reports, court documents, notarized witness statements that will back up your claims of a good and substantial reason. If you are a Doctor, Lawyer or some highly educated professional or if your job requires you to make deposits of large amounts of money you have a good and substantial reason. I had to do it the hard way and get assaulted with a deadly weapon by a neighbors-dirt ball-convict boyfriend who then, along with his brother, threatened me outside of the court house right after we went to court. They did this in front of 2 of my neighbors, my Lawyer, and my wife. I then was stalked by the brother and that is when I decided to get everything together that I needed to apply. This is the hassle that MD residents have to go through to just be considered for a MD permit. It has been almost 2 months since my application was submitted and has been almost 4 weeks since I went for my interview with MSP. They say it can take up to 90 days. After all this I give myself a 50/50 chance at actually getting a MD CCP.

 

[Craigzy1]

I also applied for and received a Utah-CCP at the same time I applied for the MD-CCP. The Utah application took 5 weeks and my permit was issued simply after having an FBI fingerprint/background check that confirmed that I am a law abiding US citizen. I also had just purchased a Glock 26 and had to file the ATF forms and they also believed that I am a decent law abiding citizen that can legally own a handgun. So...if MD turns me down it will have to be because the MSP has decided that they do not think that I was injured severely enough or that the threats of bodily harm made to me were not serious enough.

 

[Swinokur]

1. Large cash deposits
2. Dr. who carries drugs and/or prescription pads
3. Documented threats

Even this is sometimes not enough. It is more of a case of how well connected you are. A Federal judge has struck down MD's G & S portion of the handgun law. We are currently under a temporary stay of the order which will probably be lifted in early June after the Judge receives briefs on it after May 23rd. The state has appealed the District Court ruling to the 4th CA in Richmond. That will probably be another 6-8 months.

If the District Court Judge lifts the stay in June, MD will not be able to use G & S to deny permits, even while they ask for another stay from the 4 CA. I think we have a better than even chance that neither court will continue the stay after it's decided in June at the District Court level.

This is all conjecture and opinion from my following all this. Go to Maryland Shooters for all the info on what's happening

IANAL

 

[Mr H]

can anyone leave me some info as to what amounts to "good and substantial" for the state of Maryland?

Oddly enough--and I heard this myself from the mouths of the higher-ups in the Licensing Division--nothing is codified, but they "know it when they see it"

Amazing stuff.

 

[brian b]

ccw in Md

Thanks for all the info . Now I guess I will never get ccp here . I would like to know why you must become a victome before I can legally
carry in this state

 

[JOgershok]

Oddly enough--and I heard this myself from the mouths of the higher-ups in the Licensing Division--nothing is codified, but they "know it when they see it"

Amazing stuff.

Like porn? At least that was the standard for the "Supremes"

 

[JOgershok]

Thanks for all the info . Now I guess I will never get ccp here . I would like to know why you must become a victome before I can legally
carry in this state

The MSP like it that way. They do not trust the average citizen. Just stating the obvious. Sorry.

 

[Farmhood]

OK now I am really anxious, my friend applied for his CCP with MSP about 10 days before me. I have been updated on his progress since the first of April.
We have a very similar situation concerning G&S information.
It looks like I have moved through the process with about a week gap after him and he just informed me he received his CCP ID today!
Man this is giving me gray hair…

 

[Craigzy1]

Thats great, I still have not heard any news on mine. I sent my application first week of March and went for interviewon April 16, but have not heard anything since.

 

[Craigzy1]

After posting my reply I realized that I had not checked the mail today so I decided to have a look. I have been expecting a reply from MSP because my application was accepted over 2 months ago. I figured to either receive my permit or a letter of rejection soon.
Well.....I just received my MD CCP. It is valid until 9/30/14 and has no restrictions. I hope by then maybe MD will have changed to a shall issue state and renewal will be a lot less hassle. It was time consuming and I did collect a lot of documents to back up my good & substantial reason and also a lot of notarizing of applications and witness letters, but I now see it is possible to get a CCP from the state of MD.

 

[Farmhood]

Congratulations!
There is hope in Maryland. I know it’s a mixed bag of anticipation and frustration just to enjoy our rights.
Even though this is a somewhat restrictive and regulated freedom here in our free state, I am thankful we have the opportunity to apply and hopefully I get the same good news.
MD will be shall issue soon and that’s good because unlike you, our G&S reason carries some minor restrictions.
OK 4 hours till the mail comes.

 

[Darkmagus]

That's good news, but I thought the issue of having to provide a G&S reason was at the heart of the matter. Shall issue is the only real solution, IMHO.

 

[Farmhood]

Oh yeah you are absolutely right. I’m just not going to be a bench warmer any longer.
Will be doing everything by the book and participate in the process of changing unjust laws that infringe on our constitutional rights.
Conceal Carry, 2A Foundation, MSI and Maryland Shooters all good stuff.
My mail truck just hasn't come yet...well not the one with the letter I want anyway.

 

[Craigzy1]

The G&S reason is the issue in MD. That is what the Fed Judge ruled is unconstitutional, but as of right now you will still need a G&S reason to obtain a MD CCP. When I went for my interview, the Trooper explained that people are now submitting applications without any G&S. These apps. will be returned because even though the Fed Judge made his ruling, nothing has changed while the appeals process takes place. The Trooper did say that he believes that MD will have to eventually change it's requirements for a CCP. They could still put a bunch of BS restrictions on obtaining a permit, but hopefully the answer will be to change to a shall issue state. I am hoping for this because it will make the renewal process a lot easier. I am not positive, but I believe that currently you still need to go through the entire process to renew. I cannot say that I will have the same threatening circumstances in my life in 2 years to use as my G&S reason. That is exactly what happened in the Woolard case and he was denied renewal of his permit.

 

[Swinokur]

MSP is holding apps received between the Legg's ruling and the date he issued the stay 3-30. They have cashed the checks received with the apps so they are holding them pending the outcome of the stay request.

Mine is being held.

 

[Craigzy1]

Did you send app. with attached letter of G&S? If not, maybe those are the apps. being held until a final ruling is made, but I would think that is going to be a long and drawn out process. I mailed my app. on 3/5. I believe that is the same day that Judge Legg announced his ruling that G&S is unconstitutional. I would guess my app. was recived by MSP around 3/8-3/9 and then I was contacted for interview about a month later and then received my permit a little over a month after the interview.

Did they contact you to confirm that they are holding applications at this time?