Maryland Concealed Carry Permit


hjc4604

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Maryland Concealed Carry legislation

There is currently no legislation in the Maryland legislature. That will start in January, usually anti 2nd amendment BS. There is however, a lawsuit, Woolard v Sheridan, making it's way to the Supreme Court (SCOTUS), challenging Maryland's "May Issue" policy. It is being supported by the Second Amendment Foundation. Another weaker case, Williams v Maryland (I think), which was turned away.
 

hjc4604

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Meredith Emerson was trained and managed to disarm her attacker twice. "She almost beat me" he said. He nabbed her 1/1/2008 hiking with her dog in a Georgia State Park. Instead he drove her around for 3 days raping her and trying to use her ATM card. One account says he waved to a passing cop shortly before he tied her to a tree, caved her skull in and dumped her nude headless body in the woods. He was caught when an alert citizen called police saying that "the guy you've been looking for in the disappearance of that girl is across the street cleaning out a van like the one you've been looking for." Caught red handed with the DNA, he confessed in return for no death penalty. His name is Gary Hilton. Thank goodness she wasn't carrying a gun or there would have been blood in the streets. The police did such a great job of protecting her. She shouldn't be going to dangerous places like the state park. I guess you've never heard of disparity of force. Doesn't matter if they're not armed. If you are a trooper, I'm the President of the US.
 

boscoman

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I wonder how long it will take for the criminally pre-disposed to realize that the safest place to apply their trade is the "almost non-issue" states such as Maryland and New Jersey? I feel like we are being corralled into a “soft underbelly” for criminals. Are there any statistics gurus out there who might uncover such a trend? Do certain types of crimes decrease in states where CCW permits are more likely to be issued? Do they increase in states where they are not?

I finally escaped safely to VA & now have a resident permit. Unfortunately I have to still travel to MD on a regular basis. The state politically is controlled by 3 jurisdictions, PG & Montgomery counties, & Baltimore city. These three places are the land of the screaming liberal that feel that the government should control their lives & that the government owes them something. Along with that Montgomery County has a majority Hispanic population that for the most part is made up of illegal immigrants (go figure, Maryland is a sanctuary state!). It is going to be a long time before anything in Maryland changes for the better.
 

chuckia

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You may be too stupid to carry a concealed weapon. You would not know.

There are too many stupid people that own guns. I have never owned a gun, but I would wager all my life savings that I could read an owners guide, and clean a weapon, with zero percent chance of shooting myself. How does that happen? Stupidity. We don't want stupid people roaming around with concealed weapons. Give me a smart crook any time.
 

VA Pete

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There are too many stupid people that own guns. I have never owned a gun, but I would wager all my life savings that I could read an owners guide, and clean a weapon, with zero percent chance of shooting myself. How does that happen? Stupidity. We don't want stupid people roaming around with concealed weapons. Give me a smart crook any time.

Wow, thank you for that bit of wisdom. You sound really intelligent and well-informed. I'll bet you have like what, $100 in life savings?
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
Smart Criminals

It is not your ability to NOT shoot yourself that determines if you should carry a concealed weapon. Next you will want to argue that "smart criminals" will not hurt you. That is just another form of criminal thinking that rationalizes their behavior. You forget there are other factors involved such as coldheartedness, entitlement, irresponsibility, power and control, as well as justification that influence criminal thinking.

It is the responsibility of the gun owner to use desecration in the use of force that the criminal will not use. While there is no studies correlating IQ and criminality, sociopaths are good at finding others weaknesses and then exploiting them.

"Abe Lincoln may have freed all men, but Sam Colt made them equal."
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
The criminally disposed already understand this. The disparity between crime in MD and VA is clear when you look at the FBI's Uniform Crime Report(FBI — Table 4)

Table 4
Crime in the United States

by Region, Geographic Division, and State, 2009–2010:
.............#per 100,000
Jurisdiction 2009 2010 %change
US...........431.9 403.6 -6.5
DC..........1,348.9 1,330.2 -1.4
MD............590.0 547.7 -7.2
VA............230.8 213.6 -7.5
 

chuckia

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Wow, thank you for that bit of wisdom. You sound really intelligent and well-informed. I'll bet you have like what, $100 in life savings?

Nope - much more than that, pistol Pete. But the serious issue is that we can regard people carrying concealed weapons as criminals, except in special cases.

There are as many fantasies as there are people, and in reality, it's just a fantasy that your handgun will protect you. It may actually, unless you're the kind of dope that shoots himself while cleaning a gun. Or it may occasionally kill some child that gets a hold of it.

So go ahead and have your fantasy. What do you think are the realistic odds that you will be able to use your gun to save yourself or someone else when you really need it? Think about that as you get older, if you do.
 

VA Pete

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Nope - much more than that, pistol Pete. But the serious issue is that we can regard people carrying concealed weapons as criminals, except in special cases.

There are as many fantasies as there are people, and in reality, it's just a fantasy that your handgun will protect you. It may actually, unless you're the kind of dope that shoots himself while cleaning a gun. Or it may occasionally kill some child that gets a hold of it.

So go ahead and have your fantasy. What do you think are the realistic odds that you will be able to use your gun to save yourself or someone else when you really need it? Think about that as you get older, if you do.

When I consider how many people are hurt or killed annually by citizen gun owners vs how many people are hurt or killed annually by criminals, and how many times every year citizen gun owners protect themselves from said criminals.... I'll take my fantasy over yours any time. Good luck with that.
 

Ricochet

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Nope - much more than that, pistol Pete. But the serious issue is that we can regard people carrying concealed weapons as criminals, except in special cases.

There are as many fantasies as there are people, and in reality, it's just a fantasy that your handgun will protect you. It may actually, unless you're the kind of dope that shoots himself while cleaning a gun. Or it may occasionally kill some child that gets a hold of it.

So go ahead and have your fantasy. What do you think are the realistic odds that you will be able to use your gun to save yourself or someone else when you really need it? Think about that as you get older, if you do.

I have actually used my firearm to defend my family when my home was broken into at 3am in Baltimore city.
And guess what, it took the eastern district almost four minutes to respond.
If I wasnt armed that night, I may be dead from that intruder.
When the police arrested the man, it turned out they were looking for the individual wanted in numerous home invasions and peeping-tom cases.


In your world, you would have rather me be unarmed.
Get a clue.
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
I have actually used my firearm to defend my family when my home was broken into at 3am in Baltimore city.
And guess what, it took the eastern district almost four minutes to respond.
If I wasnt armed that night, I may be dead from that intruder.
When the police arrested the man, it turned out they were looking for the individual wanted in numerous home invasions and peeping-tom cases.


In your world, you would have rather me be unarmed.
Get a clue.

Reality is an awesome argument.
 

Mr H

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I have actually used my firearm to defend my family when my home was broken into at 3am in Baltimore city.
And guess what, it took the eastern district almost four minutes to respond.
If I wasnt armed that night, I may be dead from that intruder.
When the police arrested the man, it turned out they were looking for the individual wanted in numerous home invasions and peeping-tom cases.


In your world, you would have rather me be unarmed.
Get a clue.

I completely agree with your situation... and I'm glad it turned out well for you.

Chuckia did have one thing worth considering in the last comment...

But the serious issue is that we can regard people carrying concealed weapons as criminals, except in special cases.

In Maryland, that is de facto most likely the case!! The state's keepers don't permit the deniz... I mean CITIZENS... a reasonable opportunity to their 2A rights, so the math leans that way heavily.
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
Every person has the unaliable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I have read the Constitution several times (I defend it after all), and I have not once seen anywhere in there that is says that every person has the RIGHT to CARRY their weapon with them in town concealed so no one can see it. Have you? If you have, please tell me which line the in the admendment that it's located. It says that every person has the right to bear arms, and to protect their lives and property. So by that statement I say to you, purchase a firearm, ammunition, and a SAFE and keep the first two in the last so that it is ready for use when the need arises. Aside from Military personnel in a combat zone and Law Enforcement Officers on duty, I have never once met a single person that REQUIRED a gun to be with them at all times.

It does not specify open or concealed carry to protect my life. I think the cool-aid is getting to you. Your interpretation is NOT what the "Supremes" recently sang either.

A chaplain in a combat zone is not required to carry a weapon - your argument fails to begin with a truthful premise.

A police officer is required to carry because that is the policy of the department that employes them.
 
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JOgershok

JOgershok
i hope you'r not protecting them from a criminal with a gun because
Obviously you would be off duty and not at YOUR home therefore no gun for you my friend. right?

MD protected their LEO's by making it policy that they were required to carry at all times and when they retired, from additional scrutiny in their applications:

ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS REQUIRED PER HANDGUN PERMIT CATEGORY:
a) Owner or Employee of a Business: Submit photocopies of the Traders License or Business License, and if the purpose of the permit is for:
(i) Making deposits: Photocopies of six (6) random deposit slips for the business showing the deposits within a year of the application submission date or a letter from the bank attesting that your business has a monetary
flow.
(ii) Cash Flow: Photocopies of Ten (10) receipts showing purchases for supplies and/or payments received for services.
(iii) Requesting a permit for one of your employees, or if you are an employee and you have permission from your employer to obtain a permit: A letter from your employer on the business stationery, explaining in detail why you need to carry a gun as part of your duties.
b) Professional Activities: Doctors, Pharmacies, etc., Must show evidence of legitimacy of business activity and valid certification or license.
c) Correctional Officers: Must submit verification of employment and documentation of threats and assaults. [ADDED: Notice they are required to prove they need to carry - I was threatened many times when I worked in a prison but no longer have access to the misconduct reports I wrote.. Good luck.]
d) Former Police Officer: If you have resigned or retired, you must show evidence of your tenure in law enforcement, such as a letter from your Agency.

http.md.sp.org (Licensing Division Application for Licenses, Commissions and Permits 03.11-1.pdf)
 

brian b

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2nd amendment righys

troop2trooper : you answered your own question by stating that the 2A says a persun has the right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND THAT RIGHT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED .
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
troop2trooper : you answered your own question by stating that the 2A says a person has the right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND THAT RIGHT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED .

He is lost in his own argument. As a matter of law, if the statute is silent - it was never intended. The bear means carry but not how to carry. If I want to carry it around my neck or in a satchel neither IS prohibited.
 

Whiskeyrunner21

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Just like driving, carrying a firearm is a privilege, not a right. I understand what the Constitution says but could you imagine if every idiot out there could legally carry a gun everywhere they wanted to? It would be like Iraq in no time! Obtaining a license to carry is something everyone should try to do and if you don't get one, then leave the gun at home! And if you truly need to carry a gun where you're going then you may not want to go there. Telling the government that you should be able to carry is like telling them that you don't trust the men and women in uniform who are there to protect you, and I trust them with my life. Just like anything else you don't like about the policies put in place, "Love it or leave it". I love Maryland, and I will continue to obey the laws and not complain about them. They're there for our protection.



The response time for protection is 10 minutes can one afford to WAIT for protection?

The state of Vermont where "every idiot can legally carry a gun everywhere" hardly bears resemblance to the country of Iraq!

So Troop where are you getting your facts from and maybe you can tell us when was the last time one of the local Md thugs registered a handgun?
 

Abacab

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I can't say I would be terribly surprised if troop was MSP. They think they're above the law. We all know how good the police are when it comes to carrying. They only shoot their own in Baltimore.
 

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