Maryland Concealed Carry Permit


brian b

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protection

my feelings are this"if i am in my house or anywhere on my property then i have a god given right to protect all my friends and familu members from any reasonable threat. also as i said before do not expect me to have open arms if you come into my house at night unannounced.
 

hjc4604

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Yes... By all means protect yourself. But when in Gods name are you going to need to do it when you're out of your home? Maryland recognizes self protection just like anywhere else. But if the perp is unarmed, then why would you want to shoot them? Personally I am more than happy to call the police and let my tax dollars come out and take care of the problem for me.
Please Mr. Murderer/Rapist, could you wait until the police get here? It will only be 20 minutes or so, they're short handed because it's shift change. When would you need it outside your home? Google Meredith Emerson, she could have used it! Unfortunately, she chose not to carry when she could have. Went hiking with her dog and was attacked. Had a blue belt in some martial art. Disarmed her attacker twice, "She almost beat me!", he said during his confession. He drove her around for 3 days, raped her, tried to get money from her ATM, then teid her to a tree, caved her skull in and cut her head off. He waved to a cop driving by right before he killed her. Despite a BOLO! The gas station operator who actually read the BOLO called the PD and said "That guy your looking for in reference to the missing girl is across the street cleaning out his van." Like the DC Snipers, he was caught because of a civilian tip. Guns are like seatbelts, they're both safety devices. You put them on hoping you'll never need them, but if you do, it's too late to put them on. Funny, Maryland requires us to wear seatbelts in case we get in an accident, why not guns in case we're attacked. I avoid Baltimore, where the police just shot 2 of their own, killing one and shot 5 unarmed civilians, killing 1 (Does that get counted in the city's homicide statistics?). When seconds count the police are only minutes away. Then there are the 2 women recently killed by wild animals while hiking/jogging not to mention others attacked but survived usually due to someone with a gun coming to their rescue. And why, if you're in Virginia, does it matter to you what Maryland does? The police do their job but they can't be everywhere, they are barraged with BOLOs and dealing with a large fighting mob is a recipe for disaster especially in a city like Baltimore(Bodymore, Murderland according to the show "The Wire").
 
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hjc4604

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I'm originally from Maryland but have been living in NC for the last 11 years. It shocks the mess out of me that I can possess a concealed carry in NC and can not travel back to MD to visit family with my hand gun. My permit will be recognized in VA but not MD. I can't go up to visit my dad and spend time with him at the shooting range unless I pay to apply for a permit up there and prove that I can walk on water, give them my first born, cut off my right ear... you get the point and even then they will turn me down b/c someone had a bad day, I'm too short, one ear is lower than the other..... Even if I go to WV to visit family there I will have to go around my butt to get to my elbow just to avoid MD when traveling with my handgun. Thank God I was smart enough to move as soon as I could and never went back! Oh how much I could type/fuss about what would happen if I was robbed up there and I had my gun...bet I would be arrested for being the victim and trying to protect myself! People in MD talk about rednecks, hicks, and backwoods mentality...Hell I would choose our way of thinking any day of the week over the MD bull...at least I am safe & protected. As a girl, I am proud of my backwoods way of thinking and thankful my dad taught me to protect myself!!!!
You can bring your gun to Maryland, just stop in Virginia, lock your unloaded gun in the trunk with the ammo locked in your glove compartment, and drive straight to your father's house without stopping anywhere. Then you can do the same thing when you want to go to the range. Straight there and straight back. Maryland issues Carry Permits to over 90% of applicants. The part left out is that many people would apply but won't becausee it's a waste of time and money. And the permit is restricted to the times that you're actually doing what you stated you needed it for in your application. i.e.: If you're security, only at work/on duty. If your a businessman, only when carrying large sums of cash (We wouldn't want that poor money getting assaulted, it's valuable to the state, people aren't).
 

TheBMan

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Just like driving, carrying a firearm is a privilege, not a right. I understand what the Constitution says but could you imagine if every idiot out there could legally carry a gun everywhere they wanted to? It would be like Iraq in no time! Obtaining a license to carry is something everyone should try to do and if you don't get one, then leave the gun at home! And if you truly need to carry a gun where you're going then you may not want to go there. Telling the government that you should be able to carry is like telling them that you don't trust the men and women in uniform who are there to protect you, and I trust them with my life. Just like anything else you don't like about the policies put in place, "Love it or leave it". I love Maryland, and I will continue to obey the laws and not complain about them. They're there for our protection.

The police are not there to protect you. The police are there to respond to crimes in progress or to document crimes that have already occurred.

We couldn't afford the cost of police forces large enough to have an officer on every corner or outside of every house ready and able to stop all crime before it occurs. You and you alone are responsible for making sure you are not a victim of a crime.
 

brian b

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self protection

to trooper2trooper I am quite sure that you are well aware of the fact that most criminals dont want the general public armed for the simple reason that the individual just might fight back , not necessarily with deadly force but enough to hold them in check until the police do get there , which by the way could take anywhere from 5to 20 minutes. if you want to wait for the police to earn their pay thats just fine .
 

G50AE

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to trooper2trooper I am quite sure that you are well aware of the fact that most criminals dont want the general public armed for the simple reason that the individual just might fight back , not necessarily with deadly force but enough to hold them in check until the police do get there , which by the way could take anywhere from 5to 20 minutes. if you want to wait for the police to earn their pay thats just fine .

trooper2trooper has not been back to this site after he figured out that several people on this site are quite capable of logically and rationally countering his hysterical anti-gun rhetoric. The troll relized that gunowners are not stupid hicks and can debate him better than he thought. BTW, two other posters have told me that they did not think that this guy was actually ever a marine. I won't mention their names, but they are both active duty.

I will say again, if the cops get to you in 17 minutes, that is the equivalent of three rounds of UFC fighting. And you can't have Herb Dean stop the fight, nor do you get the two one minute rest periods durring that time. :wacko: Can you survive that type of beating? Possabily from multiple atackers? Unarmed?

I answer that question by carrying a gun.
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
I will say again, if the cops get to you in 17 minutes, that is the equivalent of three rounds of UFC fighting. And you can't have Herb Dean stop the fight, nor do you get the two one minute rest periods durring that time. :wacko: Can you survive that type of beating? Possabily from multiple atackers? Unarmed?

I answer that question by carrying a gun.

The police have no duty to protect you either.

The Truth, It Just came Out: Do Police Have a Duty to Protect You?
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
Why?

You can bring your gun to Maryland, just stop in Virginia, lock your unloaded gun in the trunk with the ammo locked in your glove compartment, and drive straight to your father's house without stopping anywhere. Then you can do the same thing when you want to go to the range. Straight there and straight back. Maryland issues Carry Permits to over 90% of applicants. The part left out is that many people would apply but won't becausee it's a waste of time and money. And the permit is restricted to the times that you're actually doing what you stated you needed it for in your application. i.e.: If you're security, only at work/on duty. If your a businessman, only when carrying large sums of cash (We wouldn't want that poor money getting assaulted, it's valuable to the state, people aren't).

Why does she or I have to jump through those hoops. Take a close look at the application. I have to prove I have been threatened as a former corrections official to get the permit as a former prison worker. I have no access since I retired to the numerous misconduct reports I have written as inmates threatened me. I have a CCW in Pennsylvania issued by the sheriff of my county and jumped through his hoops. We need a national CCW. MD is infringing on my and your right to BEAR ARMS.

In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes. They also enumerated several longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession that it found were consistent with the Second Amendment. Link Removed

This is a direct quote from that case:"Respondent's amici report similar results in comparing the District's homicide rates during that period to that of the neighboring States of Maryland and Virginia (neither of which restricts handguns to the same degree), and to the homicide rate of the Nation as a whole. See Academics' Brief 11-17; Criminologists' Brief 6a, 8a."

In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits State and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.
 

JOgershok

JOgershok
Further Reading

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Link Removed
 

Swinokur

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The Second Amentment Foundation has filed a suit in Federal District Court challenging MD's "good and substantial cause" policy used by the Maryland State Police in denying most permit requests.

Google Woolard vs Sheridan to get more info
 

brinegs

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things you guys are forgetting

I am from maryland born and bred.

You guys that are PRO carry are forgetting ONE HUGE thing about Marylanders.
MOST Marylanders are pretty much blind liberals.

Blind liberals do not think for themselves. They do/think whatever the liberal media / Oprah / Keith Olberman and ESPECIALLY AL Gore them to do/think. (ask them about global warming if you want to laugh your butt off for a while)

IF they used their brains they would actually READ the constitution and the discussion would be over. But they haven't and won't read it. The Constitution is like kryptonite to a liberal.

If they had brains they would understand that creating all these anti gun laws only hurts (wait for it.........waaaait for it) only hurts THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW RULES!!!!!! The last time I checked.... MURDERERS, RAPISTS, MUGGERS or (insert violent crime here) DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES!!!!!!!
What mugger or murderer says I would go murder someone today but I can't since I am not allowed to have a permit to carry. really? do people REALLY believe this happens?

If they used their brains they would REALIZE that DC is NOT the safest city in the world. It would seem that if the system WORKED that DC would be the safest city in the world. It isn't by a longshot. If you can't own a gun in dc.... how are people still getting shot? Ok ok ok, the guns must be coming in from va and pa right? Well we should eliminate guns throughout the whole country then no one will be able to get them. THEN we'll be safe. I mean....Drugs are illegal throughout the land and of course no one has any drugs, right????? How can they? They are illegal......right?

There is a theme here. The only people that get hurt by these laws are rule followers. And WHY on EARTH is anyone afraid of getting shot by rule followers? You say your not afraid of getting shot by law abiding, rule followers eh? Then why can't we, the rule followers, carry guns? The criminals STILL CARRY EVERY DAY. How nice for them.
 

Darkmagus

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And the down side to that is if you get caught you'll probably never carry legally in any state again.

(I'm looking forward to leaving Maryland in the next few yeas too!)

Rick

The thing is folks, we HAVE a RIGHT to Keep AND Bear Arms...the Government is reminded of that in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. So tell me, is it really a RIGHT when someone else can tell you when, how and IF you can exercise it?
You either HAVE the right or you don't. Clearly we do. I will NOT ask permission to exercise mine.
 

SonoraRebel

Picture Rocks, Arizona
I've just read this entire thread... particular attention to Supertrooper who is a Superwrong Statist if ever there was one. I was a Marylander. Retired Navy and a cop to boot. The MD 'permit' is an LCH (License to Carry a Handgun), not CCW or LTCF. It does not restrict the bearer to concealed carry only. The permit is to carry a handgun.... in any manner. This permit system was instituted via gubanatorial edict in 1972 by Gov Marvin Mandel (D). There was no permit required to carry a handgun prior to 1972 openly. Since the Superintendent of the MSP is appointed by the Gov... it was simple matter for him to direct the MSP to insert a 'show cause' caveat into the concealed permit system and include any mode of carry. Mandel did this in response to the riots of '68. RKBA was omitted in the MD Bill of Rights during ther Constitutional Convention of 1867 for racial reasons. The MDGA did not want former slaves owning guns. This was in advance of the adoption of 14th Amendment (which MD voted against). Mandel recently admitted in an interview that he continued to carry a handgun in his pocket minus the very permit that he himself had instituted. This kind'a politician should surprise nobody in MD.

Now... in Arizona, I carry whatever I want... pretty much wherever I want at anytime. It's like putting on your pants. 'Been the norm here for over 100 years with a few temporary exceptions here 'n there. I'll never return to MD... not even to visit. 'Whole 'nuther mindset goin' on there.
 

G50AE

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I've just read this entire thread... particular attention to Supertrooper who is a Superwrong Statist if ever there was one.

Hey thanks for reading this thread. I consider this thread to be one of the most serious discusions I have had on this site, I am known for making wisecracks. I gave Superwrong the logical beating that he just couldn't take so he tapped out and left. If he wants to chime in again, I will be glad to debate him some more. And you can be sure I will pick apart everything he has to say, just like I did previously.
 

Tricky

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I wonder how long it will take for the criminally pre-disposed to realize that the safest place to apply their trade is the "almost non-issue" states such as Maryland and New Jersey? I feel like we are being corralled into a “soft underbelly” for criminals. Are there any statistics gurus out there who might uncover such a trend? Do certain types of crimes decrease in states where CCW permits are more likely to be issued? Do they increase in states where they are not?

Trust me the crime rate in MD is higher than reported, and criminals flock here to try their luck. The police force is gigantic, and all corrupt. They want your money, not your safety. They want your compliance, not your protest. Have fun trying to have a normal convo regarding firearms with any cop here. You will be made to feel like a criminal, you will not win the argument. You may be like me and get a bogus ticket to go along with your "disrespectful attitude" for stating your opinion.

Fortunately for them the citizens of MD are too passive to take the "shall not be infringed" part as seriously as it should be taken. They will also lock you up and find you guilty of pretty much anything, for pretty much any reason. Id just stay far away folks. If you value your record, and your permits. VA is right next door afterall. It also happens to be awesome for the most part.
 

teutonik

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When I got arrested in Baltimore Co., they said that that the NICS said I had applied for a MD LTC when I haven't done so, let alone pay the $70 and submit a fingerprint card.
 

Ricochet

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Trust me the crime rate in MD is higher than reported, and criminals flock here to try their luck. The police force is gigantic, and all corrupt. They want your money, not your safety. They want your compliance, not your protest. Have fun trying to have a normal convo regarding firearms with any cop here. You will be made to feel like a criminal, you will not win the argument. You may be like me and get a bogus ticket to go along with your "disrespectful attitude" for stating your opinion.

Fortunately for them the citizens of MD are too passive to take the "shall not be infringed" part as seriously as it should be taken. They will also lock you up and find you guilty of pretty much anything, for pretty much any reason. Id just stay far away folks. If you value your record, and your permits. VA is right next door afterall. It also happens to be awesome for the most part.



What you posted is sad, but true.

I grew up in Maryland and even if you have a friendly discussion with a friend in a restaurant about firearms, people around you will look at you as thought you are a terrorists.

Any discussion of firearms in public will get you nasty looks and vicious comments.


Talking with the police about guns is even worse and will most likely result in the search of your vehicle (yes, it happened to me).

Now, in the western part of the state and on the eastern shore its entirely different and more gun friendly.


I haven't regretted moving out of Maryland for one second.
And I dont miss it at all.

However, I do miss the Chesapeake Bay from time to time.

But having the basic human right of self defense is far more important to me.

I can open carry with no permit and all the police do wen they see me is say "hi".
 

mdram

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im new here, just checking to see if anyone knows of any upcoming legislation that may finally fix maryland cc issue
 

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