Martial Law Indicators scare profiler

I do not have the creds that this guy has but I have thought for a VERY long time that obummer wants to be king, dictator or something. I know some out there think I and others who think that should be wearing tin-foil hats. The same bunch thought we were full of it when we warned that if obummer was re-elected he would come after our guns. We were poo-pooed and said that would never happen. While it does seem we have stopped them for the most part, the anti-gun morons have not given up. They are chipping away at the 2 A and if we do not stand firm they will succeed in making us criminals. I saw that Big Sis denied that the Homeland Security was buying large amounts of ammo and refused to answer Congress on it. Now that our "wonderful and caring" officials can fly drones over Americans and HLS are manning up, is scary. One other thing is the fact that our "protectors" are shooting at targets of common ordinary citizens is another scary thing that makes me and others to pause and ask why!!!!

I hope and pray that I am wrong but there are to many things that are happening to ignore.
 
I find it funny how a lot of the people that I work with (who are black) called me and fellow coworkers racist because we didn't like him on his first election. I know that's true for a lot of the guys I work with, but I personally have learned a lot in college and because of that, racist is one thing I am NOT! But what I find funny is how most people who make that claim only voted FOR him BECAUSE of his color. Maybe not because they're racist against whites, because I think a lot of people were more concerned about seeing "the first black President" than they were about whether or not he had the credentials to be in office. I actually remember thinking when Obama was running for his first term, "if the black thing is what they want to be hung up on, give us Morgan Freeman. At least I know he's played the President before and he actually sounds level headed!" (Because I had seen him as president in "Deep Impact")
 
Here's a few stories that put the "martial law" and ammo purchases in perspective. For me anyway...
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To put the DHS’ ammunition solicitations in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last year to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.
Last September, the DHS also purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them “Personal Defense Weapons.”
Purchases of large quantities of body armor by the DHS has also caused shortages. Last year, the agency also put out an Link Removed in anticipation of civil unrest. The agency has also ordered Link Removed and hired hundreds of Link Removed to protect government buildings over the course of the last 12 months.

Look Into It - DHS Preparing For 7-Year War Against American People
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The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).​
The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).​
An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency Link Removed.​
To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.​
Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Link Removed into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.​
The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.
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EVEN LEFT FINDS DHS AMMO BUY 'VERY TROUBLING'

Billions of bullets and growing police force not just a right-wing bogeyman

The White House may paint worries over drones in American skies, federal agencies buying up billions of bullets and local police forces arming themselves with military-style equipment as just “bogeyman” issues of the radical right, but an interview on New York City’s WABC Radio reveals even the left is starting to grow worried.
Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Code Pink, a left-wing “peace and social justice movement” known for its colorful marches and protests, told WABC host Aaron Klein the potential for the Obama administration to abuse its growing domestic police power is “extremely troubling.”
Klein asked Benjamin, author of “Drone Warfare: Killing by Remote Control,” if she was concerned that military-style drones now authorized to fly over U.S. skies could be used against American citizens, the same question that prompted U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., to filibuster in the Senate earlier this month.
“Very much so,” Benjamin replied. “We see a militarization of the U.S. police forces here in the United States, and it’s a very troubling tendency.”
Furthermore, Benjamin charged she was “upset” that liberal Democrats – who might question and fight the federal government’s growing police powers under a Republican administration – “have been very quiet when this is happening under Obama.”
Klein brought up concerns, such as those reported by WND, that the federal Department of Homeland Security and other non-military federal agencies have opened purchase orders for 1.5 billion or more rounds of ammunition over the last year. The ammo buy has been only one of several indications of a bigger, stronger and more militarized police presence in the U.S.
“Are we leading up to some sort of military-style control in America?” Klein asked.
“I think the potential is there,” Benjamin replied, “and the fact that 10 years after 911 the U.S. is still keeping the American people in the state of fear about terrorism and using that to take billions and billions of our tax dollars to use to set up these kind of facilities and equip our local law-enforcement agencies with military equipment and potentially really be turning us into a society where Big Brother is watching us all the time, I think is extremely troubling.”

Read more at Even left finds DHS ammo buy ?very troubling?

 
AndeyHall said:
I find it funny how a lot of the people that I work with (who are black) called me and fellow coworkers racist because we didn't like him on his first election. I know that's true for a lot of the guys I work with, but I personally have learned a lot in college and because of that, racist is one thing I am NOT! But what I find funny is how most people who make that claim only voted FOR him BECAUSE of his color. Maybe not because they're racist against whites, because I think a lot of people were more concerned about seeing "the first black President" than they were about whether or not he had the credentials to be in office. I actually remember thinking when Obama was running for his first term, "if the black thing is what they want to be hung up on, give us Morgan Freeman. At least I know he's played the President before and he actually sounds level headed!" (Because I had seen him as president in "Deep Impact")
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I'm an equal opportunity discriminator.
 
BC1 said:
AndeyHall said:
I find it funny how a lot of the people that I work with (who are black) called me and fellow coworkers racist because we didn't like him on his first election. I know that's true for a lot of the guys I work with, but I personally have learned a lot in college and because of that, racist is one thing I am NOT! But what I find funny is how most people who make that claim only voted FOR him BECAUSE of his color. Maybe not because they're racist against whites, because I think a lot of people were more concerned about seeing "the first black President" than they were about whether or not he had the credentials to be in office. I actually remember thinking when Obama was running for his first term, "if the black thing is what they want to be hung up on, give us Morgan Freeman. At least I know he's played the President before and he actually sounds level headed!" (Because I had seen him as president in "Deep Impact")
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Just went to see "Olympus Has Fallen" tonight and again Morgan Freeman was President (or he kinda was...you'd just have to see the movie). In that short amount of time I still liked him better than Obama's entire term. Heck, I kinda liked the Korean guy more than Obama!
 
We've had a long run now of poor to downright horrible presidents. Obama beats them all. The color of his skin doesn't matter to me. The total lack of character of the man, and those he has placed in positions in the administration matter a great deal. Or maybe it's the known character of the man and his friends. The huge purchases of ammo by the government could well be the ramp up to a major power grab, or it could be a not very subtle attempt at gun control through scarcity of ammunition to the civilian market.
 
I know it's happened in the past, and I'm not saying it can't happen now....I just have a hard time believing that anyone in the armed forces or law enforcement would go along with any orders that indicated a gun confiscation and/or martial law take-over. I mean hopefully they paid attention in history class at least enough to know a Nazi Germany when they see one.
 
AndeyHall said:
I know it's happened in the past, and I'm not saying it can't happen now....I just have a hard time believing that anyone in the armed forces or law enforcement would go along with any orders that indicated a gun confiscation and/or martial law take-over. I mean hopefully they paid attention in history class at least enough to know a Nazi Germany when they see one.
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You may hope too much... IDK. I know that a portion would NOT go through with something that is extreme... but if they're told a good cover for their actions, lied to well... a good portion would go through with it. At least, I feel, until any sort of shooting civilians arised... even then you'd have some that enjoy killing people and do it just for kicks. Yes, there are crazy people in the military.
 
I don't know...I guess I just have a bad habit of questioning authority and just asking question period. I can't help but think about what I'm being told to do. I guess I'm just very CYA-oriented.
 
QUOTE=gunnerbob;422348]You may hope too much... IDK. I know that a portion would NOT go through with something that is extreme... but if they're told a good cover for their actions, lied to well... a good portion would go through with it. At least, I feel, until any sort of shooting civilians arised... even then you'd have some that enjoy killing people and do it just for kicks. Yes, there are crazy people in the military.[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of men in the armed services who will not want to go along with Obama's plans of conquest and, if at all possible, do what they can to circumvent illegal actions. I'm afraid that the overall chain of command, however, will do what they are told and go balls to the wall to fulfill their orders. The first time we resist and the first soldier is killed, the reluctance to shoot a civilian will come to an end. The young service people of today haven't been raised to honor our nation and most likely can't tell you what the Constitution is, much less what it guarantees to the individual citizen. Our schools have been dumbed down for many years and our national pride has fallen by the wayside. Maybe, when Obama's private army commences the takeover of the country, some will recall that we fought our first revoltion because of similar actions by the King of England. We have sufficient numbers to fight a second revolution and will most likely do so. The whole situation could be somewhat resolved without bloodshed if that do-nothing organization we call Congress would exercise their authority and stop Obama through impeachment and take control of the hardcore cadre of lawmakers, both Reps and Dems, who have impeded the growth of the country in order to keep personal power and wealth.
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AndeyHall said:
I don't know...I guess I just have a bad habit of questioning authority and just asking question period. I can't help but think about what I'm being told to do. I guess I'm just very CYA-oriented.
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That's great that you're CYA-oriented... I wish more people were. Here's the issue though, in many military circles... CYA includes doing what you're told to the letter so if you find out latter it was the wrong thing to do you can say, "Well, I was ordered to." and, "Therefore, it's not my fault."... Fear is a hell of a thing, many people fear what would happen if they disobey orders. If you're a little unsure about a scenario... people rioting and possibly getting violent. All it'd take is one guy in the line to order the shooting, start shooting and before you can say "holy sh!t!"... you've got a dozen people opening fire on a crowd of civilians.
 
gunnerbob said:
AndeyHall said:
I don't know...I guess I just have a bad habit of questioning authority and just asking question period. I can't help but think about what I'm being told to do. I guess I'm just very CYA-oriented.
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That's great that you're CYA-oriented... I wish more people were. Here's the issue though, in many military circles... CYA includes doing what you're told to the letter so if you find out latter it was the wrong thing to do you can say, "Well, I was ordered to." and, "Therefore, it's not my fault."... Fear is a hell of a thing, many people fear what would happen if they disobey orders. If you're a little unsure about a scenario... people rioting and possibly getting violent. All it'd take is one guy in the line to order the shooting, start shooting and before you can say "holy sh!t!"... you've got a dozen people opening fire on a crowd of civilians.
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Oh I know it's a very slippery slope. I just feel like even in that scenario I would rather lose my job or possibly face charges rather than having to live with the guilt of knowing you did something that you don't believe in at all and your only justification is "because he told me so."
 
gunnerbob said:
That's great that you're CYA-oriented... I wish more people were. Here's the issue though, in many military circles... CYA includes doing what you're told to the letter so if you find out latter it was the wrong thing to do you can say, "Well, I was ordered to." and, "Therefore, it's not my fault."... Fear is a hell of a thing, many people fear what would happen if they disobey orders. If you're a little unsure about a scenario... people rioting and possibly getting violent. All it'd take is one guy in the line to order the shooting, start shooting and before you can say "holy sh!t!"... you've got a dozen people opening fire on a crowd of civilians.
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Even in the military, "I was ordered to" isn't always a legitimate defense (or excuse, or whatever you want to call it.)
Hopefully the majority of our troops know that.
 
kerb said:
Even in the military, "I was ordered to" isn't always a legitimate defense (or excuse, or whatever you want to call it.)
Hopefully the majority of our troops know that.
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A majority? I don't know... most of the NCOs yes, the younger pups... not so much.
 
gunnerbob said:
A majority? I don't know... most of the NCOs yes, the younger pups... not so much.
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And even if they are generally aware of the concept of "illegal orders," many, if not most, lack the intestinal fortitude necessary to endure the inquisition they will go through to validate their decision to disobey them.

The military has no vested interest in training or producing 'cruits that can and will think for themselves. The truth of the matter is 180° to the contrary in fact. They train and intentionally produce lemmings. Obviously, they're not successful 100% of the time, as gunnerbob is a testament to, but their success rate is likely well over the 80% mark nonetheless.

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