Making the Case To Carry Concealed

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Making the Case To Carry Concealed

By: Joseph Terry

Using deadly force to defend yourself is not a desirable event. But its necessity makes it a good one, which is why you should carry concealed.

In a comment to one of my recent posts, reader “Woodsman” said:

“Violence, no matter how justified, will not advance what we consider good, but it allows those of us who do good, to survive.”

I think that is a profound and articulate statement of truth.

To use deadly force to defend yourself and those under your protection from lethal assault is not a desirable event. It’s actually a very horrible event, one made necessary by the possibility of a more horrible event initiated by someone else—someone who would do us harm for gain or amusement.

And before you think this argument rests in the lofty area of philosophy, I think it has some very practical benefits.

In every CCW class I have observed, and in every crop of new rookies I have seen pass through the police academy, there are always one or two hot shot “crusaders.” They just somehow seem a little too eager.

Through comments, which run the gamut from subtle to blatant, they let it be known that they feel a duty through street justice to right the collective wrong of a culture that coddles criminals and fosters uncivil behavior.

Maybe it’s just me, but even when you take that sad cultural decline into account it seems dangerous for someone with such attitude and eagerness to put on a gun.

In the first place, it could cloud judgment when a sudden situation demands instant analysis of lethality of risk.

And if you have to shoot, any reputation created by that crusader attitude could work against you in police reports, at the DA’s office and in court.

Violent criminal predators are bad people. But if they assault you, killing one of them is not a feel-good activity (ask any cop who has survived a gunfight).

My astute reader was right. Violence does not create good, no matter how strong the justification for it. But what it can do is even the odds, allowing those with the tools to do so to do the ultimate good—to survive.

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This is more an arguement to carry period than to carry specifically concealed

Actually, I think it is more of an argument to open carry than carry concealed. Open carry has much greater sucess at deterring the violent act from ever happening in the first place than concealed.
 
Actually, I think it is more of an argument to open carry than carry concealed. Open carry has much greater sucess at deterring the violent act from ever happening in the first place than concealed.
Oh, come on now, we're not going to hear about this 'deterrence' thing again are we?
It's not like law enforcement drives around in gaudily painted cars, wears distinctive clothing, openly displays the means to combat crime or has shiny emblems of authority on display, is it?
Criminals should be afraid that the next average looking person on the sidewalk, grocery store, or highway beside them could be law enforcement in casual clothing and unmarked cars. Being visible just encourages the bad guys to seek other, greener pastu .... oh, wait, let me rephrase that ... ummm......
Displaying the visible means to resist or combat crime only means that the average criminal will now be more prepared to commit violence against said persons, ...
... which I wonder why law enforcement unions aren't up in arms about as that would only seem to make the job of law enforcement more dangerous, if it were true.
 
Ever notice armored trucks picking up bags of money and moving them from place to place, are not made with bomb resistant clear bullet proof glass, so you could see the money inside?

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The more a criminal sees people that open carry, the more he thinks about all those carrying he cannot see. It shows numbers for sure.
 
This deterrent argument to me is ludicrous. Why pack a AK over your shoulder and go into a restaurant except to freak law abiding citizens out, to prove a point? Seems to me LE recourses are wasted investigating calls of an unknown individual carrying a firearm. Why don't u walk in front of IHOP in Carson City with that open carry crap. I'm looking for threats and now I have to deal with some one proving a point! But hey "we will become use to it " I for one hope to never be that complacent. The inconsiderate ones that strap crap across there backs and walk into a family business are selfish fools and actually degrading principles that the NRA are struggling to protect!


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This deterrent argument to me is ludicrous. Why pack a AK over your shoulder and go into a restaurant except to freak law abiding citizens out, to prove a point?

Your ignorance regarding daily routine open carry is glaringly obvious. The only difference between my concealed carry and open carry is whether I wear my shirt tucked in behind my gun or hanging over it. Same gun, same holster, same position on my belt.

degrading principles that the NRA are struggling to protect!

The principles that government infringement upon the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms is acceptable so long as it meets their definition of "reasonable"?

Every news story has a slant nowadays.

Including news stories regarding open carry which you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
 
Ever notice armored trucks picking up bags of money and moving them from place to place, are not made with bomb resistant clear bullet proof glass, so you could see the money inside?

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Ever notice the armored truck guards aren't wearing civilian clothing, acting like a sheep blending in, so they can sneak bags full of money around?

This deterrent argument to me is ludicrous. Why pack a AK over your shoulder and go into a restaurant except to freak law abiding citizens out, to prove a point? Seems to me LE recourses are wasted investigating calls of an unknown individual carrying a firearm. Why don't u walk in front of IHOP in Carson City with that open carry crap. I'm looking for threats and now I have to deal with some one proving a point! But hey "we will become use to it " I for one hope to never be that complacent. The inconsiderate ones that strap crap across there backs and walk into a family business are selfish fools and actually degrading principles that the NRA are struggling to protect!


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N R A is struggling to push more gun control on open carriers...been that way since their very inception when they proudly proclaimed they believed in common sense gun control.

Why pack a gun at all? I believe, "Don't question my Right to open carry, and i won't question stupidity not to," fits the bill quite nicely.

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This deterrent argument to me is ludicrous. Why pack a AK over your shoulder and go into a restaurant except to freak law abiding citizens out, to prove a point? Seems to me LE recourses are wasted investigating calls of an unknown individual carrying a firearm. Why don't u walk in front of IHOP in Carson City with that open carry crap. I'm looking for threats and now I have to deal with some one proving a point! But hey "we will become use to it " I for one hope to never be that complacent. The inconsiderate ones that strap crap across there backs and walk into a family business are selfish fools and actually degrading principles that the NRA are struggling to protect!


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Another one that thinks the right to bear arms should be subject to, and restricted to, his personal opinion of what is "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable"..... the exact same perspective of an anti gunner.
 
Your ignorance regarding daily routine open carry is glaringly obvious.

So it is ok to carry a AK on your back into Denny's? Hey you say I'm ignorant about daly open carry, ignorance is displayed in not knowing fact, not theory. As more of you open carry in the fashion I described the more it seems businesses post Gun Free Zone signs, and that's theory .


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So it is ok to carry a AK on your back into Denny's? Hey you say I'm ignorant about daly open carry, ignorance is displayed in not knowing fact, not theory. As more of you open carry in the fashion I described the more it seems businesses post Gun Free Zone signs, and that's theory .


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I edited my post a couple times since you probably read it, to wit, "The only difference between my concealed carry and open carry is whether I wear my shirt tucked in behind my gun or hanging over it. Same gun, same holster, same position on my belt." To answer your question, though: yes, it is OK to carry an AK on your back into Denny's. I wouldn't personally do it where I live because I feel like my Taurus PT-145 carried openly 90+% of the time is sufficient and legal for the protection of my family.
 
So it is ok to carry a AK on your back into Denny's? Hey you say I'm ignorant about daly open carry, ignorance is displayed in not knowing fact, not theory. As more of you open carry in the fashion I described the more it seems businesses post Gun Free Zone signs, and that's theory .


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A while back a young man carried a shotgun strapped to his back into a library in Lansing Michigan. The library didn't like that and tried to say that it could make their own gun ban laws through policy and rules. But the State of Michigan Appeals Court said otherwise and the end result was a landmark decision that said only the State Legislature can make gun law and no "authority", like a library authority or a downtown development authority or a transit authority, can make any policy/rule that is more strict than State law.

And this landmark decision happened because someone understood that even if people don't like it... or think it isn't "reasonable", "appropriate", or "acceptable" to carry a shotgun into a library... the right to bear arms is the RIGHT to bear arms... not the privilege restricted by what people don't like.

Now Sir... if you have any intellectual honesty you will follow the link below and educate yourself as to what carrying a long gun into a place someone thinks isn't "reasonable", "appropriate", or "acceptable" can accomplish.

CADL vs. MOC - Chronological History | Michigan Open Carry, Inc.

Or you can just keep on expecting everyone else only carry the guns you think are "appropriate" in places you think are "reasonable" and in ways you consider "acceptable". Just like every other anti gunner expects people to only carry guns they think are "appropriate" in places they think are "reasonable" and in ways they consider "acceptable".

Now... let me say something about the deterrent effect. ...

It isn't the method of carry that is the deterrent... the gun itself is the deterrent because the gun represents the ability of the person to resist and defend.

With concealed carry the gun "deters" the bad guy when the victim pulls his gun out and the bad guy sees the gun AFTER the bad guy started his attack possibly causing the bad guy to stop his attack.

With open carry the gun "deters" the bad guy when the bad guy sees the gun BEFORE the bad guy makes his decision to attack possibly preventing the attack in the first place.

Which would you rather have happen? Not being attacked because the open carried gun caused the bad guy to change his mind about attacking? Or being attacked because the concealed gun caused the bad guy to decide you look like an unarmed easy prey victim?

I personally would rather open carry and not be attacked at all going on about my day unmolested than to carry concealed and risk getting into a confrontation or gun fight and suffer all the legal/financial/emotional/social consequences and repercussions of being attacked because my concealed carry made me look like all the other unarmed easy victims.
 
Thanks for your clarification. It may just be me, but open carry in the fashion you discovered as your form of carry I don't really have a problem with. My point is that the "general public" with the active shooter incidents so numerous will continue to be against open carry as long as there are those who deem it necessary to flaunt there right in such an in your face way. I remember as a child going through Wyoming and seeing "cowboys" carrying. I thought it was neat. Times have changed unfortunately , media bias, mass shooting etc. I feel it's the catch flies with honey approach that would benefit the open carry cause best and that more harm than good will only come from open carry of long guns in family settings, IMO


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Thanks for your clarification. It may just be me, but open carry in the fashion you discovered as your form of carry I don't really have a problem with. My point is that the "general public" with the active shooter incidents so numerous will continue to be against open carry as long as there are those who deem it necessary to flaunt there right in such an in your face way. I remember as a child going through Wyoming and seeing "cowboys" carrying. I thought it was neat. Times have changed unfortunately , media bias, mass shooting etc. I feel it's the catch flies with honey approach that would benefit the open carry cause best and that more harm than good will only come from open carry of long guns in family settings, IMO

The public opinion against guns is never going to change if the only time they see people carrying guns is on the news and in movies. 90% of the general public never notices the gun on my belt (or at least they show no sign of noticing). We have open carry get togethers here in Washington where anywhere from 10 to 20 of us openly carrying our holstered pistols will meet in a park for a BBQ. We have our open carry banner set up and an information table and we usually end up with a bunch of positive, educational opportunities and 1 or 2 anti-gun crazies flipping out. The anti-gun crazies typically do more for our image because they act crazy and we don't. However, in places like Texas with their strict anti-carry laws, the public will never see any good guys carrying guns and in order to present any kind of image to the public that good guys carry guns to they have to open carry rifles.
 
You are correct it is all about the presentation having a get together such as you described is a positive way to enforce the message of Second Amendment right to carry .however wearing a what liberals would call assault rifle on your back into a family setting such as a restaurant is done in my opinion only for shock affect and is not helping the cause. Oh and by the way, "Go hawks"


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I OC most of the time in NC. Only had one comment from a 18-19 year old kid which I didn't respond to. I'm with Navy, the more the general public sees people OC'ing the more at ease they'll become. I really don't think most really ever see me OC'ing. It's just been a non-issue. Can't really understand why people that are pro carry think it's only acceptable in a CC mode.
I will stand corrected on Texas OC of long guns. IF THAT"S the only way to get the point across then so be it. You can't OC a hand gun ONLY a long gun. (Inane Law) Kinda like OKA alcohol laws concerning beer. 3.0 can be sold at general stores. Anything higher must be sold at Liquor stores. Archaic Laws..........
 

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