Looks like Home Depot is next in Texas...

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NavyLCDR

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I don't disagree with what this group is doing... but I do disagree with where they are doing it. Why can't they do it on public property like a park? If I was Home Depot (or any other business owner), I would kick them off the property because my main objective as a business owner would be to make money and their actions are probably going to hinder that. Want to be armed in my business for self defense while you are spending money in my business? 100% OK with that. But take your "this is not a protest" crap somewhere else.
 
Here is another company that seems to want to stay neutral and abide by state laws like the others wanted to do. They may well be made to choose a side now and go the way as the others did. Stop using these business as a protesting ground. You are screwing it up for everyone. You can say thank to a owner or manager for supporting our rights. But I don't get why you need to show up with rifles and make a scene about it. I think it hurts the cause more than it helps it.
 
I understand Texans need to present their side of the open carry controversy, just don't understand why they are doing it everywhere but where it counts (state capitol, county seats, legislators home towns and the like). Presenting a united front in a manner that raises the ire of the public in general is doing themselves a disservice and just making their position harder to defend.
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I carry open every time I leave the house and am thankful for the ability to do so. Fortunately I live in Ohio who has had open carry since the first government was formed in Marietta many many years ago.
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I wish Texans all the luck in their endeavor and hope they don't burn public opinion in the process.
 
Firefighterchen said:
Make them pick a side, let's me know where to shop.

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Why go out of our way to push them? It I can go in the store with my openly carried handgun, and they have no gun buster signs on their doors, and they treat me like every other customer, why isn't that enough?
 
Firefighterchen said:
Make them pick a side, let's me know where to shop.

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They'll pick the side that has cheaper insurance. Guess which side that is.

Plus, where I live, that means all the good places to get food will ban guns. So will everywhere I like to eat. I live in rural CO, which is very gun-friendly, but in order to get half the things I need, I have to go closer to excessively liberal Denver. I'd get stuck shopping at Wal-Mart for everything. And I hate Wal-Mart.
 
Like NavyLCDR, IMHO most businesses want to just go about their business of selling goods and/or services. They would rather stand in the middle of most debates because they do need both sides to buy their goods and/or services. My Home Depot here in MN has no signs and I have CC their most of the time when I go there with no problem. I know I have "printed" many times with no problems.

By trying to force a business to make a choice, we could send them to the "dark side", which would defeat our goal. Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs be. We should protest at businesses who are very anti-gun and anti 2A! I have not printed or given out any card that say, "NO GUNS = NO BUSINESS" yet because I have yet to find any in the places around here that have them.
 
vernsimpson said:
Like NavyLCDR, IMHO most businesses want to just go about their business of selling goods and/or services. They would rather stand in the middle of most debates because they do need both sides to buy their goods and/or services. My Home Depot here in MN has no signs and I have CC their most of the time when I go there with no problem. I know I have "printed" many times with no problems.

By trying to force a business to make a choice, we could send them to the "dark side", which would defeat our goal. Sometimes it is better to let sleeping dogs be. We should protest at businesses who are very anti-gun and anti 2A! I have not printed or given out any card that say, "NO GUNS = NO BUSINESS" yet because I have yet to find any in the places around here that have them.
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I haven't yet either, but they're becoming more prevalent here, though only at one place I went regularly. I settled for irritated emails to the company.
 
Howdy,

I saw a news bit on HLN this morning about the rally at HD and said that about 150 Pro-OCers were at the rally.

HLN didn't put a slant to the story, just reported what happened. If anything they had a Pro-OC slant to the story because they showed numerous people w/ guns and even though there were as many or even more Anti-OCers there they weren't given any air time.

Sad part is that the Greater Dallas/Fort Worth area has almost 7 million people and even in the heart of redneck gun lovin' country only 150 gun owners bother to show up.

WTH?

Paul
 
These in-your-face open carry idiots can't possibly be responsible gun owners. Are they funded by Bloomberg? Nothing good can come from backing a business into a corner. The backwoods inbred morons who carried to Chipotle helped paint gun owners as exactly what the anti-gun zealots want us to look like. If we lose our rights to own and concealed carry guns, don't blame just Bloomberg and Diane Feinstein. Give some of the credit to the open carry slugs who pressed the issue to the breaking point.

There is no legitimate reason to carry an AR-15 into a restaurant or a home improvement store. None. I just hope the management of those chains are not subject to overreacting. A sign like this would be OK with me:

"No firearms allowed in this store, except for licensed concealed handguns. Carrying a visible firearm on these premises is Trespassing under State Law and is punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $500. Employees are instructed to contact police if they see a firearm displayed."

The police would be obligated to deal with the open carry idiots. Legal concealed handgun licensees would be unaffected, unless they intentionally displayed their weapons.
 
Kennydale said:
Open Carry Texas

Its a very strange protest only because open carry of Rifles is already legal in Texas. Just not well accepted yet.
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They're carrying rifles because it's illegal to open carry handguns. They're trying to draw attention to the idiocy of such a law, and using the only legal means of open carry to do it.

NavyLCDR said:
Why go out of our way to push them? It I can go in the store with my openly carried handgun, and they have no gun buster signs on their doors, and they treat me like every other customer, why isn't that enough?
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They can't go into a store or anywhere else with an open carried handgun in TX.

The .org that Kennydale linked to was founded by a guy who couldn't even Link Removed without getting harassed and arrested and charged. There's a history here that explains why they're doing it the way they're doing it. Not necessarily the same choice I'd make under similar circumstances, but I'm not them, and they're under no obligation to do things my way, nor would I want them to be.

I don't understand all this "our" and "we" stuff going around the forums on this issue. It's their protest, their state, and their rights being denied. What do "we" have to do with any of it?

Blues
 
Some of you guys might want to actually read the article before jumping to conclusions.
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Watkins said his group has been meeting at the Home Depot for almost a year, and unlike other businesses and cities like Arlington who have clashed with the group, the home improvement giant has “stayed neutral.”
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“They respect the rights of the people and we realize that,” Watkins said. “Their parking lost are always huge so we can park in the back and not bother nobody.”
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They aren't alienating Home Depot or shocking the citizenry into panic. They've done this before. Some of you guys sound like the anti-gunners predicting wild west gunfights in the streets whenever pro-gun legislation is introduced. It seems pretty obvious these guys know their own state, towns and citizenry far better than the armchair quarterbacks here, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.
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bowserb said:
These in-your-face open carry idiots can't possibly be responsible gun owners.....
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Hillary? Is that you?
 
Rhino said:
Some of you guys might want to actually read the article before jumping to conclusions.
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They aren't alienating Home Depot or shocking the citizenry into panic. They've done this before. Some of you guys sound like the anti-gunners predicting wild west gunfights in the streets whenever pro-gun legislation is introduced. It seems pretty obvious these guys know their own state, towns and citizenry far better than the armchair quarterbacks here, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.
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The same thing is true of the Chipotle demos. They had been there many times, had always asked for and got permission to come in, and were friendly with the staff. The Mommies are creating all this hoopla, and just like so many other gun-related issues, gun owners are picking sides against themselves. That's the main reason I can't stand all this "we" and "our" stuff, because so few normally reliable gun owners are on the right side of this manufactured issue.

Blues
 
Rhino said:
Some of you guys might want to actually read the article before jumping to conclusions.

Watkins said his group has been meeting at the Home Depot for almost a year, and unlike other businesses and cities like Arlington who have clashed with the group, the home improvement giant has “stayed neutral.”
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“They respect the rights of the people and we realize that,” Watkins said. “Their parking lost are always huge so we can park in the back and not bother nobody.”
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They aren't alienating Home Depot or shocking the citizenry into panic. They've done this before. Some of you guys sound like the anti-gunners predicting wild west gunfights in the streets whenever pro-gun legislation is introduced. It seems pretty obvious these guys know their own state, towns and citizenry far better than the armchair quarterbacks here, which makes perfect sense when you think about it.
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Hillary? Is that you?
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I'm just curious.... why did you not quote the next paragraph in the article? You know... this one:

A representative for the North Richland Hills Home Depot said he had no information about the rally.

“That’s not something Home Depot sponsors,” said the man, who declined to give his name. “They are not going to on the Home Depot property.”
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Hmmm..... and then there is this, which was Starbucks exact same policy:

Stephen Holmes, Home Depot’s corporate communications director, told Forbes, “Our feeling is that, ultimately, the voters direct the laws on gun carry issues, so we defer to the prevailing ordinances in states and communities.”
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But, that isn't Starbucks policy any longer, is it?

Back to my original question:
Why is it so important to hold these rallies on business' private property? Is it not the government that is the problem? Aren't they wanting the GOVERNMENT to change the law and not businesses? So why can't they hold their rally in a park, or government building parking lot/lawn...where it belongs? We hold our rallies here in Washington on the grounds of the capitol building and even inside the capitol building, and in parks and even at a city council meeting or two. Why? Because we want GOVERNMENT to get our message - not Home Depot and their customers.
 
NavyLCDR said:
I'm just curious.... why did you not quote the next paragraph in the article? You know... this one:
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Because it wasn't necessary. I said Home Depot had no problem with it and the open carry folks had done it before. The paragraph you're referring to is about sponsorship, which would be an entirely different matter altogether. There's nothing to indicate they ever asked Home Depot to sponsor their demonstration. All that extra paragraph meant was that Home Depot had no "official" involvement with the demonstration, which is basically the same thing the open carry folks said.
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Hmmm..... and then there is this, which was Starbucks exact same policy:
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I didn't say anything about Starbucks. Or was that comment not addressed to me?
 
I know everybody has their own opinion on this issue, and for their own reasons. But I see this as all boiling down to one simple concept. If you're too afraid to exercise your 2nd amendment rights because you think your gun might scare someone, you might as well kiss those rights goodbye. For those rights to be universal, they have to be universally accepted. That doesn't mean agreement. It means acceptance. There are lots of things that I don't agree with but that I'm forced to accept. But I can't be forced to accept something I can't see, and the same holds true for 2nd amendment rights. They aren't tangible if they aren't seen, and they will never be accepted if they aren't tangible. Will someone be scared at the sight of a gun? Of course they will. Will hiding them away help that? Absolutely not! If anything it will only make it worse. People naturally fear the unknown and accept what is commonplace. They're also resistant to change. The change we need is for the American public at large to accept our guaranteed rights under the 2nd amendment. They'll never accept that change if they never see it. If you're afraid of a bumpy road then stay at home. You may feel safe but you'll never get anywhere. I'd rather fight for my rights, and I'm smart enough to know that some people will oppose me along the way, many out of simple fear borne of ignorance. I can surrender to them or keep fighting. Guess what my choice is?
 
Rhino said:
Because it wasn't necessary. I said Home Depot had no problem with it and the open carry folks had done it before. The paragraph you're referring to is about sponsorship, which would be an entirely different matter altogether. There's nothing to indicate they ever asked Home Depot to sponsor their demonstration. All that extra paragraph meant was that Home Depot had no "official" involvement with the demonstration, which is basically the same thing the open carry folks said.
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I didn't say anything about Starbucks. Or was that comment not addressed to me?
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It will be extremely interesting to see what Home Depot does when Moms Not Getting Any Action At Home puts pressure on them.
 
NavyLCDR said:
... Moms Not Getting Any Action At Home ...
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I've often wondered how they have time for all that protesting if they actually have kids. I only have one and can only make it to about half of the... gatherings(? not all protests or demonstrations... occasionally just an OC picnic-my favorite) I want to. Of course, I also work full time, go to school full time, and do... well... everything, what with my husband stationed overseas. (Which means I'm allowed to laugh... I'm not getting any action either! :wink:)
 
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