Limits on the 2nd Amendment

NavyLCDR

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To me it is absolutely clear what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is. In the Declaration of Independence speaking about the ordinary citizen we read:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or personal protection against criminals. The 2nd Amendment is about citizens having the means to protect themselves from their own government, if need be.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State

Militia is defined in Federal law as:
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Well regulated has nothing to do with the government regulating who can carry what firearms and where. Well regulated means:

1) To control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.
2) To adjust to some standard or requirement as for amount, degree, etc.
3) To adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation.
4) To put in good order.

Well regulated in the 2nd Amendment means that all members of the militia are trained and guided to accomplish the same common goal, in this case to protect the freedom of the state. The last phrase in the 2nd Amendment ensures that the ordinary citizen should always have the arms available to them to accomplish the goal,

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Clearly government restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms goes 100% against the very purpose of the 2nd Amendment - to ensure that the citizen has the ability to protect themselves and the freedom of the state from that government if the need arises. As such I am completely against the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968 and all the government restrictions that have been enacted since then. Here's the question that I personally struggle with, though.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by a group of men who had just seen the overthrow of their government by force because they had the same arms available to them as their government did. Internally, I struggle with the idea of Joe Citizen being able to go to the sporting goods section at Wal Mart and buying hand grenades and bombs to put on his Cessna. I struggle with the idea of a billionaire putting together his own Manhattan Project and building himself a nuclear bomb. But, in reality, if we carried forward the purpose and intent that the 2nd Amendment was written with back then, wouldn't that be what it means today? Should there be a line drawn? If so, where should that line be drawn?
 
Navy, I WISH there was a "Love It" button! I totally agree with you on this. Since the US Constitution was written there has been "Anti" gun people who have done all they could to water down 2A or get rid of it. The anti's use such things as background checks, gun registering, firearms training and many other things. Their arguments about background checks and such do make sense but their main motive is not why they want these things. Their ultimate goal is to get rid of all firearms as most if not all on this forum know.

Even the trolls know this, even if they will not admit it!!!
 
Those who would limit the 2nd Amendment so that the ordinary citizen cannot "keep" any "arm" (including grenades and even atomics) nor can the ordinary citizen "bear" any "arm" (including the latest weaponry available to the military) are those who want to be the only ones who can have the latest weaponry, the grenades, and even the atomics, in order to be in power by keeping the ordinary citizen subjugated.

Consider this ordinary everyday occurrence... an armed robbery. The robber uses an "arm" (gun, knife, ball bat) to exert power over the subjugated citizen he is robbing.

Doesn't matter if it is a government using "arms" (military actions, police actions, unjust laws, threats of imprisonment) to subjugate the citizenry.. or a robber uses an "arm" (gun, knife, threats of bodily harm) to subjugate his victim. ... the main point is..

Those who wish to have power over others will always make sure they have "arms" but their victims are "disarmed".

Edited to add:
Please note the part of my sig line in bold below:
 
No lines, period.... Are you (Navy) afraid that if you had a grenade that you would use it? Why havent you shot anyone with your daily carry yet? Dead is dead... whether you get killed with a grenade or any other type of weapon... I suppose it might be less messy if you werent blown to bits though....



Bad guys do bad things all the time.... as do terrorists and governments.... And good guys (like us) dont go around killing people just because we have the tools to do so on our hips... (or hanging off the wings of our cessna)
 
Let me be perfectly absolutely clear, I am an American. I am a free American. I do not need a law to allow me to speak freely, worship freely, and to pack a gun, any gun that I may choose. I do not need a 1st or 2nd Amendment or any other federal, state, county law the might “Allow” me the “Privilege” to exercise my rights. Period. End of story. I just hope everyone remembers this, both enemies foreign and domestic.
 
Let me be perfectly clear. America is a country of laws and the framers of the US Constitution knew we would need laws to allow us all to speak freely, worship freely and pack any gun we may choose. Without the US Constitution as written you might find yourself behind bars because you tried to exercise your rights. The battle is with those that feel the need to re-write the US Constitution our founders wrote.
 
Ya'll should see the looks on people's faces when during discussions of the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment, I inform them that the purpose of such a recognition of Rights is that "should the citizenry ever determine it is time to abolish their government they will have equal means of doing so as said government has of resisting such rebellion".

As many of you know of me by now, I firmly believe that We The People have a Right to own the same weaponry as our tyrannical leaders. If we don't, every day we live "free" is simply a day the government has decided NOT to enslave us further. I use the word "free" loosely, of course.
 
Before 1934 we had discipline in the home and schools. Kids knew get out of hand and it was a beating. Mess up in school, and catch he#! twice.

With no standards for anything anymore and adults out of control on the streets, i doubt we could go back safely to pre 1934 laws and buy maching guns on Amazon.
 
Before 1934 we had discipline in the home and schools. Kids knew get out of hand and it was a beating. Mess up in school, and catch he#! twice.

With no standards for anything anymore and adults out of control on the streets, i doubt we could go back safely to pre 1934 laws and buy maching guns on Amazon.

Here's the thing, though. The price of admission into the automatic weapons club is prohibitive, it limits itself. If we deregulated the purchase of such weapons you still wouldn't see every gang-bangin', thug on the corner with one anymore than you do now. The fear of our streets turning into the Apocalypse with deregulation is unfounded, we have very strict regulations on many weapons and our streets are still bloody.
 

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