Lightfield Less Lethal 12 Gauge Rubber Slugs

[mmckee1952]

by CTD Allen
The Lightfield Home Defender 12 gauge rubber slugs are a very good choice for those who are concerned about using standard shotgun shells. However, less than lethal does not mean these rubber slugs are not lethal. They can cause serious bodily injury and death can result from using them on a live target.

Lightfield Less Lethal Rubber Slugs
Generally, those who choose this ammunition intend to use it in confined spaces or multiple family homes like apartments, townhouses, or even smaller single-family homes where a standard bullet could penetrate the walls and enter other rooms or dwellings. Another reason may be a person’s apprehension at using highly lethal standard shells.

At 630 fps, the velocity of the rubber projectile, along with the potential kinetic energy transfer of 103 ft-lbs, make this a powerful weapon. However, several variables can alter the results. The distance to the target, the size of the target, how much clothing the target has on, and the use of substances that alter pain compliance, all affect the performance of this shell.

At the least, when the shooter fires this projectile from a 12-gauge shotgun, it is going to cause serious bruising and pain. If used in a home invasion scenario, I would be concerned that a person, who intends to invade my home while I was present, would be in an altered state of mind due to drug use. Pain compliance might not incapacitate them sufficiently until help arrived. At its best, this ammo can penetrate the body cavity and cause enough pain or physical injury that the intruder will discontinue or run away.

Again, the best advantage to this projectile is that it will likely fail to pass through the target, then walls, and into other rooms. Therefore, if you are looking for a potent alternative to the standard shotgun cartridge for home and personal defense, this is a very sound choice.

 

[Treo]

The Lightfield Home Defender 12 gauge rubber slugs are the worst possible choice for those who are concerned about using standard shotgun shells

There, fixed it for you.

Rubber slugs are not for home defence they are for crowd/riot control. Let me say that again; Rubber slugs are not for home defence they are for crowd/riot control.

A home defence situation either calls for deadly force or it does not, if it does not you do not introduce a firearm into it.

 

[Deserteagle]

If the safety of your neighbors is a big concern:

1. Dont use a shotgun. Use a handgun with hollow points.

2. If you do use a shotgun, use bird shot. Not buck, and especially not slugs.

3. Shoot accurately rather than send a whole bunch of rounds into your neighbor's wall.

 

[JJJODOIN]

If you end up defending your house or person on the street, keep in mind the mess that YOU will have to clean up. Shot gun will make a nasty mess. Hollow point will work just fine before the magazine hits the ground. It will more than Likely be within 5 feet also. Train yourself and respect your gun. LEO

 

[maine04619]

1. Dont use a shotgun. Use a handgun with hollow points. 2. If you do use a shotgun, use bird shot. Not buck, and especially not slugs. 3. Shoot accurately rather than send a whole bunch of rounds into your neighbor's wall.

A shotgun is fine. Bird shot is a BAD idea. Slugs or buck is far better. I have to ask why you would recommend using a handgun with hollow points but say not to use a shotgun but if you do use a shotgun use bird shot. Bird shot in a home will go through walls just as fast as a hollow-point handgun round will ( I have done this for many classes ). If you are looking round that have less chance of penetrating through to your neighbors or other rooms in your home then use FRANGIBLE ammo this is what it is designed for. A shotgun even one with a 18 inch barrel has little pattern at 20 yards much less distances inside a home.

 

[1funvet]

A shotgun is fine. Bird shot is a BAD idea. Slugs or buck is far better. I have to ask why you would recommend using a handgun with hollow points but say not to use a shotgun but if you do use a shotgun use bird shot. Bird shot in a home will go through walls just as fast as a hollow-point handgun round will ( I have done this for many classes ). If you are looking round that have less chance of penetrating through to your neighbors or other rooms in your home then use FRANGIBLE ammo this is what it is designed for. A shotgun even one with a 18 inch barrel has little pattern at 20 yards much less distances inside a home.

Agree 100% with the above.

 

[Deserteagle]

A shotgun is fine. Bird shot is a BAD idea. Slugs or buck is far better. I have to ask why you would recommend using a handgun with hollow points but say not to use a shotgun but if you do use a shotgun use bird shot. Bird shot in a home will go through walls just as fast as a hollow-point handgun round will ( I have done this for many classes ). If you are looking round that have less chance of penetrating through to your neighbors or other rooms in your home then use FRANGIBLE ammo this is what it is designed for. A shotgun even one with a 18 inch barrel has little pattern at 20 yards much less distances inside a home.

Birdshot will not penetrate nearly as much as buckshot or a slug. A hollow point is also good because it will hit a wall and start breaking up.

If you think its a good idea to use slugs or buckshot in an apartment building where the neighbors share your walls, I would never want to live anywhere near you.

 

[maine04619]

Birdshot will not penetrate nearly as much as buckshot or a slug. A hollow point is also good because it will hit a wall and start breaking up. If you think its a good idea to use slugs or buckshot in an apartment building where the neighbors share your walls, I would never want to live anywhere near you.

Where did you get this information? A 20 2 3/34 with #4 shot fired 15 feet from a wall will go through 9 layers of drywall each 2 inches apart! I have done this MANY times to prove to those who come to class saying "but birdshot will not go through drywall" . Hollow points I have put a .45 hollow point through 14 sheets of drywall 2 inches apart! Frangible ammo ( made to prevent this exact scenario ) from a .45 from 4 foot will go through 2 layers at the most though what goes through the second layer is a very small portion of the original mass. If you are competent and can hit your target then your chance of this are greatly reduced and if you have doubts use FRANGIBLE ammo yes you can get shotgun slugs. Also I live WAY up in the woods of Maine because I do shoot allot and I do not want people near me. Before you start spouting something you read somewhere make sure the person your calling wrong has not actually DONE it in real life and knows the truth from that and many years of being in the shooting sports.

 

[Deserteagle]

Where did you get this information? A 20 2 3/34 with #4 shot fired 15 feet from a wall will go through 9 layers of drywall each 2 inches apart! I have done this MANY times to prove to those who come to class saying "but birdshot will not go through drywall" . Hollow points I have put a .45 hollow point through 14 sheets of drywall 2 inches apart! Frangible ammo ( made to prevent this exact scenario ) from a .45 from 4 foot will go through 2 layers at the most though what goes through the second layer is a very small portion of the original mass. If you are competent and can hit your target then your chance of this are greatly reduced and if you have doubts use FRANGIBLE ammo yes you can get shotgun slugs. Also I live WAY up in the woods of Maine because I do shoot allot and I do not want people near me. Before you start spouting something you read somewhere make sure the person your calling wrong has not actually DONE it in real life and knows the truth from that and many years of being in the shooting sports.

Great, birdshot goes through dry wall. I never said it wouldn't. If it didn't, I would be pretty disappointed.

Now like I was saying: buckshot and slugs will penetrate much deeper than birdshot.


I suggest you look at research before teaching classes. Here is some to start


http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=109958&start=0

 

[maine04619]

Great, birdshot goes through dry wall. I never said it wouldn't. If it didn't, I would be pretty disappointed. Now like I was saying: buckshot and slugs will penetrate much deeper than birdshot. I suggest you look at research before teaching classes. Here is some to start

Ok I agree a slug will go through more then the bird shot will? You premise is still very flawed as what difference does that make to the person on the other side of the wall? Birdshot will go through with enough energy left to kill as will a hollow point. Penetration a hollow point from a handgun will likely go as deep in most cases deeper then a shotgun slug from that same range into tissue! Also in the home your dealing with very close ranges and even the smallest bird shot will stay in one mass and penetrate like it was a slug. Penetration is not what kills the wound channel and the dissipation of energy is. View the pictures on the link you posted. Again if your are so concerned about over or unwanted perpetration use the round that was developed to prevent that from occurring FRANGIBLE.

 

[Deserteagle]

Ok I agree a slug will go through more then the bird shot will? You premise is still very flawed as what difference does that make to the person on the other side of the wall?

There is nothing to agree or disagree about. A slug will go through more walls than a bird shot pellet will. Whether you like it or not, that is how it is. What difference does it make? You tell me. Would you rather get hit by something with more energy that is much harder to stop, or something smaller with less energy that stops faster?

Penetration a hollow point from a handgun will likely go as deep in most cases deeper then a shotgun slug from that same range into tissue!

Where is your info to back up this statement? I am no expert but common sense tells me a shotgun slug will not only penetrate deeper than a hollow point from a handgun, but it will go through you.

Also in the home your dealing with very close ranges and even the smallest bird shot will stay in one mass and penetrate like it was a slug.

No, it will not. Once again, look at the research I posted. Not one of the tested bird shot pellets penetrated "like a slug".

Penetration is not what kills the wound channel and the dissipation of energy is.

Penetration is very important for killing. But we are talking about what rounds are safer to use in an apartment building. Buckshot and slugs will penetrate more walls and have more energy than a bird shot pellet.

View the pictures on the link you posted.

I already have. It is evident you did not.

Again if your are so concerned about over or unwanted perpetration use the round that was developed to prevent that from occurring FRANGIBLE.

I am not concerned about over penetration. I dont live in an apartment, so my shotgun has buckshot in it. The whole point of this discussion was to offer ideas on loads for guns for people that live in apartment buildings where a stray round might go through several apartments.

 

[Treo]

Am I the only one that noticed the OP pooped this out and never came back?

 

[Caribou]

If you point a gun at someone it is considered lethal force, even more so if you pull the trigger. The only reason to pull a weapon is to protect your life from imminent attack. If you use rubber bullets you obviously didn't think you were in threat of life or limb. Do not pass GO do not collect $200. The DA is not on your side, do not expect reason especially your own. If you need to defend yourself then do so. These halfway games will get you sued, jailed, or dead. Don't think for one minute that the bad guy will wait for you to put real ammo in your firearm. Yes, some criminals will be impressed but I will not bet my life on this roll of the dice. As far as over penetration goes I recommend regular trips to the range. Even better would be competition. Something like IDPA will add stress to the range time and better prepare you for the real thing, plus it is fun.

 

[EKO]

If you point a gun at someone it is considered lethal force,.

Not in Texas, just Force.......

 

[maine04619]

There is nothing to agree or disagree about. A slug will go through more walls than a bird shot pellet will. Whether you like it or not, that is how it is. What difference does it make? You tell me. Would you rather get hit by something with more energy that is much harder to stop, or something smaller with less energy that stops faster? Where is your info to back up this statement? I am no expert but common sense tells me a shotgun slug will not only penetrate deeper than a hollow point from a handgun, but it will go through you. No, it will not. Once again, look at the research I posted. Not one of the tested bird shot pellets penetrated "like a slug". Penetration is very important for killing. But we are talking about what rounds are safer to use in an apartment building. Buckshot and slugs will penetrate more walls and have more energy than a bird shot pellet. I already have. It is evident you did not. I am not concerned about over penetration. I dont live in an apartment, so my shotgun has buckshot in it. The whole point of this discussion was to offer ideas on loads for guns for people that live in apartment buildings where a stray round might go through several apartments.

Wholly crap. I have already stated what I know to be true through both what I have personally seen and done. You can go to all the websites and texts you wish but I know. Go take a Massad Ayob class and watch what he does in the shotgun course. Watch what he does with 20 gauge slugs. Hell try it for yourself. I do not care where you live if the BG comes in shoot them with the biggest thing you can propel at them accurately. If that happens to be a shotgun slug then so be it.

 

[Mobuck]

I really don't care how many sheets of drywall set 2" apart a load of birdshot penetrate. That's not how houses are built. Try it through 2 layers and see what the pellets do a few feet beyond. With the drywall set so close together, it holds the shot together in a ball creating MORE penetration. I assume this is a way to further what you're teaching or whatever your "training agenda" is.
Hell, a few days ago, I was told positively that birdshot was not even a lethal option on an internet forum. I've been around a while and I've seen what a shotgun can and can't do.