Let's talk DISASTER...

[longslide10]

Well it's obvious big brother is prepping for something whether civil unrest from an economic disaster or natural disaster or another false flag attack so it would be wise to start stocking up on dried goods that provide proteins, fibers, fats etc.
Things like legumes, pastas, rice, nuts, dried fruits, MRE's. Get yourself a high quality portable water filter.

Unless your neighborhood is flooded or wiped out for some other reason staying put and organizing with neighbors is better than being on your own out in the open. I know many of my immediate neighbors are clueless or refuse to believe that something ugly can happen here but the ones farther down or up the street that I don't normally associate with may not be clueless and may also have been preparing so I'll need to eventually seek them out.

I tried to do some stocking up but due to long term loss of income I have about 2 days worth of food. I have noticed an increase of deer around so they could supply protein but as far as anything else I will have to barter with others for other needs. I, like Ringo, believe we are living in the last days the bible speaks of so when the time comes I'll be ready for the ultimate getaway called the rapture but until that time I'll try to survive best I can.

 

[Treo]

Well it's obvious big brother is prepping for something whether civil unrest from an economic disaster or natural disaster or another false flag attack so it would be wise to start stocking up on dried goods that provide proteins, fibers, fats etc.
Things like legumes, pastas, rice, nuts, dried fruits, MRE's. Get yourself a high quality portable water filter.

It is a known historical fact that the U.S. government has invested money in paranormal activity research Think “The Men Who Stare at Goats”. So if it’s true they spent money on that I don’t think it’s too far out there that they had some one read the bible and developed a response plan for the disasters mentioned in it. Especially since those are all natural disasters that could happen whether the Bible is true or not.

Also I doubt most of us could afford to go out and buy a pallet of MREs or stock up for 2 years all at once but I’m positive everyone here can afford to add an extra can or so of tuna fish or a pound or two of rice or beans to the shopping list every week or hit the canned goods clearance rack every so often. You’d be surprised how fast that stuff adds up.

 

[walt629]

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

 

[Treo]

I don't discuss specifics when it comes to my preps I'll just say I own my own home and what's in it is my business

 

[PestControl02]

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

We live in a condo, and space is an issue. Regular usage eliminates the need for nitrogen packs & all that other stuff.
For my family it's all about rotation, we store foods we use regularly and our storage is more around 30 days worth, it could probably be stretched further if needed, like, 1/2 the calories per day could double the effective supply.
I also do a small "container" garden- so heirloom seeds are stored also.

At my house, only the garage is 100% mine, meaning the one area my wife has no jurisdiction..lol..space issues prompted me to condense everything into workable "systems"..like my "medical" system (a large tool box)..contains all our first aid related items & gear. (my wife is a nurse so it's probably more advanced than most would have)
my "sanitation" system is in a 5 gallon pail with a toilet seat lid..contains toilet paper, hand sanitizer, baby wipes, garbage bags, etc..
I have an "electricity" system..discussed earlier..has flashlights, batteries, extension cords, etc..

All this and more easily fits on one 5 shelf wire "bakers" rack. and makes it the go-to spot for emergency needs in my house, which I like...no running around trying to remember where you put the radio or band aids or whatever.

I don't think theres a right or wrong answer, it really boils down to what you have & what you can do with it.

like others said..a water filter is a must have, and buying a few extra cans of tuna or an extra bag of rice is within almost everyone's budget..a few days of food is better than none.

 

[Ringo]

The Russians and Chinese don't need to bomb the USA anymore. That would have been suicide, when it is just as easy for them to wait for a US federal bankruptcy.

The rag turbanned gihadists may sneak a nuke into NYC or LA or SF though. In that case, you would need to evacuate immediately, within a few hours after the blast, to avoid the fallout.

Yup, big question is which one will happen first.

 

[NotTwoShure]

Something else to think about, all the network news stations are telling us that food prices are going to go way up over the course of the next year. I'd say now would be the time to start stocking up on nonperisables if for no other reason than they're never going to be this cheap again.

A point of advice for all maybe, or just my opinion. Pasta, Top Ramen soup noodles and rice.
The pasta is easy to store, the Ramen is cheap and filling, rice I have dug up a few ideas from the Prepper sites and survival sites. It appears if you take the rice, separate into zip-lock baggies ( I like the type that have the little white sealer tab ) and freeze for a month to kill little bitty creatures is will last a while. With canned goods, the supposed shelf life is printed on the lid and depending on the content/type will last one or two years. Again, I refer to my paranoia of the Y-2-K era. Last October I dug out 20 cans of sealed rice and 20 cans of pinto beans. Maybe, just maybe we could have eaten the rice. However, it would be a real survival issue. It really was bad rice and the beans, no.

 

[NotTwoShure]

I am of the opinion China, Russia; Muslim extremists just have to do one or two things. China only has to stop making things. Check out your laptop, DVD programs for the Windows-7, MS-Office 2010 and all the cables to the printers and even the Wi-Fi router. All have made in China stamped on them. Wal-Mart would go out of business. Can you believe the insanity of having our prized software, personal computers and the like made by our soon to be enemies?
Here is a scenario. A big airliner, 747, is flying the friendly skies. There is a problem. The captain and copilot need to consult the operating manual. It is now on an iPad. The iPod is made in China. The ChiComs have put a bug into the electronics of the plane systems and the ipad; they all crash at the same time that means the system operators, a.k.a. pilots, have no hard copy to consult. What happens?
Another issue is the fact the ChiCom’s merchant fleet and navy may all be used to surround us, blockade us and starve us out. Then, when we are too weak to fight, the craft are turned into landing craft.
Our gasoline is partly refined in Brazil. We have no reserves of much of anything. We will not be able to buy our way out of this.
What happens when you max out your credit card, line of credit of your home and your savings are all gone? You put a barrel over your bare butt and beg at the boarder for some beans. No, once everything is depleted you starve. We are at the end of our financial worth.
Pretty simple, make you want a supernova or a giant asteroid to hit us and get it over with.
As in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the time of man was come and I fear now gone.
Nevertheless, as with Y2K, I most likely am wrong, I hope.
However, I have my faith now, read the Book and it all ends pretty well. For me and my faith, but, still I try and be little prepared. Just saying.

 

[Treo]

For those who don’t have a lot of space, you do the best you can with what you have. There are two cabinets in our kitchen that my wife and I could eat out of for two months w/ out doing any outside shopping. We may not be eating full course meals during that time but we’d be getting enough of the necessary nutrients to get by on.

Again survival isn’t about living like a king and also again you don’t want to be the only one on your block that’s gaining weight especially if food is being confiscated for redistribution.

The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

 

[Treo]

For those who don’t have a lot of space, you do the best you can with what you have. There are two cabinets in our kitchen that my wife and I could eat out of for two months w/ out doing any outside shopping. We may not be eating full course meals during that time but we’d be getting enough of the necessary nutrients to get by on.

Again survival isn’t about living like a king and also again you don’t want to be the only one on your block that’s gaining weight especially if food is being confiscated for redistribution.

The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

 

[Shoobee]

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

There is no perfect solution.

Anyone living on a 40 acre ranch/farm will need to fear the millions who are mobile enough to invade their 40 acres.

 

[Shoobee]

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

Rice, a water filter, and a fire starter don't take up much space, and that is a good start.

Cycle the rice through your normal meals.

Also works for pasta noodles as well.

Its always good to have an extra bag of potatoes on hand as well. You can always cut each of these into quarters, sprout, and plant them.

Some people store wheat, and grind it into flour. Make sure your grinder has a hand crank on it too though.

 

[phone man]

We haven't got 40 acres either but you would be suprised once you start to get a stockpile the creative places you find to keep your food and other storage..

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

 

[phone man]

what you've done with the space you have is a LOT better than most of the sheeple who think big brother will take care of them...some preparedness is a lot better than none
30 days is a LOT better than most

We live in a condo, and space is an issue. Regular usage eliminates the need for nitrogen packs & all that other stuff.
For my family it's all about rotation, we store foods we use regularly and our storage is more around 30 days worth, it could probably be stretched further if needed, like, 1/2 the calories per day could double the effective supply.
I also do a small "container" garden- so heirloom seeds are stored also.

At my house, only the garage is 100% mine, meaning the one area my wife has no jurisdiction..lol..space issues prompted me to condense everything into workable "systems"..like my "medical" system (a large tool box)..contains all our first aid related items & gear. (my wife is a nurse so it's probably more advanced than most would have)
my "sanitation" system is in a 5 gallon pail with a toilet seat lid..contains toilet paper, hand sanitizer, baby wipes, garbage bags, etc..
I have an "electricity" system..discussed earlier..has flashlights, batteries, extension cords, etc..

All this and more easily fits on one 5 shelf wire "bakers" rack. and makes it the go-to spot for emergency needs in my house, which I like...no running around trying to remember where you put the radio or band aids or whatever.

I don't think theres a right or wrong answer, it really boils down to what you have & what you can do with it.

like others said..a water filter is a must have, and buying a few extra cans of tuna or an extra bag of rice is within almost everyone's budget..a few days of food is better than none.

 

[longslide10]

The Russians and Chinese don't need to bomb the USA anymore. That would have been suicide, when it is just as easy for them to wait for a US federal bankruptcy.

The rag turbanned gihadists may sneak a nuke into NYC or LA or SF though. In that case, you would need to evacuate immediately, within a few hours after the blast, to avoid the fallout. A less likely scenario than financial disaster, or another big flu epidemic though.

Just a heads up, we are and have been bankrupt since 1929 and been living an illusion. We've been dealing with a fiat / fractional reserve banking system based on debt. All our wealth has been stolen by a banking cartel with the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, British Royalty etc at the helm and replaced with worthless paper. Our country has been bankrupted twice before, once in 1789 and then again in 1859. Notice the significance? Revolutionary and Civil wars. It's every seventy years that a corporation (The UNITED STATES) can declare bankruptcy and only 3 times, hence we remain in bankruptcy. The first 2 times land was used (the reason for rapid expansion south and west) as collateral and the last WE were used as collateral, our labor and property and is the reason for the birth certificate--a surety bond of value issued against us and your SSN ties you to that bond. The IRS then keeps track of your account aka STRAWMAN accnt and always must be kept at a zero balance because while in bankruptcy a corporation is not allowed to show a profit and we are all little corporations unto the main one called the UNITED STATES.

The ragheads are likely planning something as mentioned in this article "Iran preparing Mahdi's Special Forces" Iran preparing Mahdi’s Special Forces. Also "EMP attack: '90% of Americans would be dead". EMP attack: ’90% of Americans would be dead’.

A financial disaster is reality. It's happening as we speak and will continue to spiral downward effecting the whole planet. We and many other nations have been playing with monopoly money while the ultra-wealthy hold the gold and we've borrowed so deeply we can never come out of the mess we are in.

A pandemic is also likely either from God or man made germ warfare. Armageddon is about to strike so the best place to be would probably be in an underground shelter thats fortified and supplied with enough food and water to last a couple years and that's if ya really want to live through the aftermath. About 4+ billion people will probably be non existent in the next 7-10 years and those left behind will suffer terribly.

 

[Ringo]

If our food stops growing there's reason for a crisis that could bring about martial law.

Another dose of reality.

Dead Crops, Extreme Drought And Endless Wildfires Are Now The New Normal In America

 

[Wesco]

Best thing is to practice. Get together a list. I have one, it's long and detailed so I won't type it out here. If your interested you can send me a message and I will send it too you.

How to practice you say? Well, shut your power off to your house or three or four days. Extreme? Most definitely, but given the crowd here I'm assuming some of you are gonna try it. No power, no hot water, limit your fresh water to what you have in hand. Meaning, only what you would stay in your emergency preparedness kit and see how long you can go on it. I'd be willing to bet, from experience, it will be harder and worse then you think. Your water supply won't last as long as you think it would and If you have a family your really in for a trip. Things like cooking, keeping warm, having light, hot running water, communication etc all the things we take for granted all of a sudden are sorely missed. This is a food practice for a short term local disaster. When your done you will not only have practiced but you will have a basis to build a better plan by noticing the deficiencies in your original plan. If you want to have some real fun take it one step further and do a week long excursion to your bug out spot and make believe for a large scale incident. Why do this you ask? Because I know my area, I know my family needs. I don't know you, your family or your geographic region. Each and every list will be different based on those factors. You need to know what your going to need, where you will go, how to get there, and most of all how to locate a safe water source, shelter and food when your supply runs out.

Cheers!

 

[Caribou]

Okay... here's the question. And this is directed to those of us that don't live on a 40 acre ranch with climate controlled out buildings or a root cellar/ bomb shelter, or have a basement. I'm talking about the average Joe that as a limited amount of space they call "their own".

Where do you store all the survival stuff? 6 month to 2 years worth of food? Where the heck are you storing it? That is a huge volume of material. You can't store it in an uncontrolled environment like the garage. In the winter you run the risk of freezing and bursting cans, bottels etc., and in the summer you run the risk of bursting due to heat. Obviously the dry goods don't fall into this question but even dry goods need to be nitrogen charged and hermetically sealed to be truly safely preserved. Nothing worse than going for the 5 gallong bucket of rice to find it rotted because it wasn't sealed.

Have you devoted part of or a whole room of your house to stockpiles? And if you have the requisite 2 years of food supplies, how are you going to move it when it come time to bug out? Or are the ones with the 2 year supply the same ones that will hunker down and ride out the storm?

When we moved into our home I converted a coat closet, about 3'X2'X8', into a pantry. When it is full the two of us can probably live off it for close to six months. It really does not take as much space as you may think. Some shelves at one end of a closet will hold a surprising amount. You can store supplies under the bed. I have heard of people raising their bed enough to store five gallon pails under it. Stack up a few cases of water or canned goods, lay a piece of plywood on top, cover it with a table cloth and you have an end table or coffee table with nobody knowing any different. There are whole books on this subject but with some thought and creativity it is surprising how much space you can turn into functional usage.

Store what you eat, eat what you store. If you rotate your food you will probably not have to worry too much about nitrogen packing. If you want to, the easiest way is to put O2 absorbers in with your food. Line your five gallon pails with mylar bags, add the food, toss in absorbers, seal immediately. Another option is to line your pails with mylar bags, put 3" or 4" of food in the bag, add 2 to 4oz of dry ice, top off with food, seal MOST of the way, wait till the dry ice sublimates, and seal completely. Nitrogen requires something like 98% to be effective while as little as 3% CO2 will stop the bugs from growing. As mentioned earlier, you could write a book about this stuff. Several people have. I am getting ready to move and the books are already packed or I would suggest a title or two. I thought about some MRE's but I soon figured out that I could buy food I really liked for far less.

If you are planning to bug out you can preposition most of your stores at your bug out location. A pickup with or without a trailer or other vehicle(s) capable of hauling what you want to take. In my new home I plan to bug in. I can't easily move my stores and I would rather use my limited abilities to defend my home versus packing up.

 

[Treo]

Store what you eat, eat what you store. If you rotate your food you will probably not have to worry too much about nitrogen packing.

MRE’s cost around 15$ a meal these days. That’s a lot of money to throw at something that may just sit on your shelf for 10 years and then get thrown away. You can buy more for your food dollar by simply keeping a rotating stock of nonperishable and canned goods that yu can actuially use as Caribou suggests than stocking up on special emergency food that you may not ever use.

 

[eagleeyes]

depends on what kind of disaster is going to happen ,and that no one really knows, but perhaps those who orchestrate it; or it could be natural beyond any ones means .......but what ever it is and when it is i wish all the best ..