Let's talk DISASTER...

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Brian F.
Natural...earthquakes, tsunami, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fire, snow storm/ice storm/winter freeze, heat wave, famine, drought, volcanic eruption, landslides, sinkholes, hail, avalanche, asteroid strikes, solar storms, etc....

Pandemic...Loosely defined as a very widespread disease or illness - perhaps across a nation, perhaps worldwide.

Man-Made...Electrical blackout, hazardous material spill, air pollution, radiation leak, food/water contamination, oil spill, war, terrorism, crime, etc...

Personal...illness, job loss, unexpected financial burden. Basically... Hardship through financial pressure or physical disability.


Have you ever experienced one or more? What did you do to prepare? Are you prepared now? How do you prepare?

Please comment on staying alive, food storage and preparation, water storage, shelter, light, electrical power, heating/cooling, air, sleep, medical/first aid, communication, financial preparedness, transportation, special needs, and (you're gonna love this one)...protection.

Share your stories and moments of triumph or misfortune.

Remember, Nobody prepares to fail, they just fail to prepare.
 
I posted this in another thread where we were talking about EMPs.....

0kay, I love this stuff so I am glad this thread was made. I am going to give my 2 cents with some help from some of the books I have read. Bare with me.....this might be lengthy.

Here we go......

Our government has expressed a great deal of concern over the nation's vulnerability to an EMP attack. The "EMP Commission" was formed to study the impact of the threat as well as propose recommendations to help our nation better prepare. An EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) is an intense, broadband burst of electromagnetic energy. It can be a result of many things, including electrostatic discharge, lightning, a nuclear explosion, or specialized weapons. Of these sources, the EMP that results from a nuclear explosion has the greatest potential to cause widespread damage to our country. When people discuss an EMP attack, they are almost always referring to one that is a result of a high-altitude nuclear detonation. An EMP from any of these sources would result in strong electromagnetic fields. Fortunately, most pulses are short-lived and do not harm people or animals. The real threat from an EMP is its ability to disrupt, damage, and destroy electronic hardware. Affected systems could include the electrical power grid, cellular and wired communication systems, the internet, personal electronics, agricultural systems, airplanes, gas pumps, satellites, water purification plants, generators, automobile electronics, and nearly every other type of modern electronic device. A disruption like this would crush our economy and seriously degrade critical infrastructures, including: power, telecommunications, financial, petroleum and natural gas, transportation, food, water, emergency services, space operations, and government. SHTF is an understatement!

Now, for those of you who give a crap, lets talk about the Sun.......

The Sun experiences a periodic cycle in which it oscillates between being more and less active. During the more active times, sun spot activity increases, leading to more solar flares and coronal mass ejections. Predictions and history both agree that solar emissions are capable of disrupting radio communications and, more important, damaging our electrical power grid. The topic of solar disturbances is particularly timely given that the next solar maximum is expected to occur in 2012 or 2013. Now, unlike an EMP attack, whose likelihood is dependent on particular geopolitical events and the capabilities of our enemies, solar events that disrupt activity on Earth are an absolute certainty. It is only a question of their timing and severity, neither of which can be accurately predicted. Solar storms bring with them a wide array of threats, including radiation poisoning to humans in space or at high altitudes, disruption of communications and navigation systems, dangerous high voltages on pipelines, upsets to satellites, and destructive currents to electrical grids around the world. Fortunately, these currents are very low-frequency and do not couple well into small electronic systems, such as radios, cell phones, computers, automobiles, or airplanes.

Take what you want from this. I am not saying that either of these is going to happen in our lifetime. This is just a topic that has interested me for quite some time and what I have shared is just some of the information I have learned along the way.
 
Like I said before, at the very minimum you need the following:

- 72 hour kit with nonperishable foods;

- 1/2 gal or more fuel in your vehicle at all times;

- a planned escape route with maps;

- a sleeping roll;

- a tent;

- several gallons of water in jugs;

- a self defense handgun;

- several magazines of ammo ready to go;

- several boxes of ammo as well.

That's the short list. Covers all evacuation disasters.
 
Like I said before, at the very minimum you need the following:

- 72 hour kit with nonperishable foods;

- 1/2 gal or more fuel in your vehicle at all times;

- a planned escape route with maps;

- a sleeping roll;

- a tent;

- several gallons of water in jugs;

- a self defense handgun;

- several magazines of ammo ready to go;

- several boxes of ammo as well.

That's the short list. Covers all evacuation disasters.


That's a good start Shoobee. I was hoping this topic would spark more interest. Maybe with some time, more people will get involved. Looks like its just us for now. Anything else you want to add?

Nobody prepares to fail, they just fail to prepare.
 
I've noticed as increase in sales of 5 gallon buckets and non perishable foods when I go to the grocery store.

I read somewhere recently that if you bug in, think about what natural resources you are relying on. he then suggested propane or natural gas powered generators since gas is going to be hard to come by.
 
I posted this on another site about one of my minor experiences. It's a long winded read.


LESSONS LEARNED
The Hard Way


It was mid July a few years ago in the little village of Cahokia, IL. And very hot and humid. About 6:30 P.M. shortly after I returned home from work, the weather radio alarm goes off and announces a huge line of super cell thunderstorms producing tornados, softball size hail, heavy rain and straight-line winds in excess of 70 M.P.H.

I turned on the TV to a local St. Louis, Mo. station with an almost panicked meteorologist waving his hands in the air and telling everyone to seek shelter, a monster is coming. The Doppler radar showed a strong line of severe storms three states long! At that point they were about 30 minutes from my area. I’m not easily panicked so I grabbed a cold one and went out to the patio to watch it coming.

Twenty minutes later the western sky is purple-black and menacing, the thunder is getting louder and more frequent. Well, time for another cold one and watch this puppy from the safety of behind my double pane patio window!

I thought to myself, yep… this isn’t going to be pretty! As the monster was about to arrive, with by now four cans of liquid courage under my belt, I stepped outside on the deck. It was so dark, still and calm, the smoke from my cigarette went straight up. Then a few large rain drops started to drop around me and without warning…

The monster reared its ugly head and said hello to me with an estimated 50-60 M.P.H. gust of wind. It was a fast surprise that caught me off guard and blew dust and debris into both my eyes. Again, I went back inside to watch it from the safety of my double pain patio door. As I did I yelled to my wife and daughter to get into the basement, NOW! Fortunately they listened to me and went down stairs but I had to listen to the constant “get your butt down here too thing”.

Thinking to myself, I’m not going to miss this one, I quickly grabbed another can of liquid courage and stood at the glass window. While I’m standing there enjoying the trees bend 90 degrees and things hitting the side of the house, all of a sudden our heavy full size trampoline starts to levitate upwards, 5 feet, 10 feet, 30 feet straight up with absolutely no wobbling, then takes off like a Harrier jet toward me and over my split foyer home, so I thought. Well, my liquid courage failed me and I went scrambling down to the basement with my family. I did not see any funnel cloud and to this day I can’t see how a straight-line wind could do something like that.

The storm lasted maybe 30-45 minutes and during the course of the storm we lost electrical power. No problem, I’m a “prepper”; I’m very well prepared! Now, to make my way to the next room in the basement where I have my flashlights, candles and battery lamps perfectly stored in nice boxes in the “pitch dark”! Fortunately I had a Bic lighter on my person. Fast-forward 15 minutes.

It’s now totally dark outside so not much point going outside to inspect for damage but I do anyway. I went out front briefly and saw plenty of trees down, limbs everywhere and bunches of shingles. Fortunately for me I didn’t see many brown shingles in the street or in the neighbors yards. Based on the severity of the storm I figured the power would be out for some time.

Now, time to put my action plan to the test. Got out all my heavy duty 12 ga. extension cords, electrical strips, Coleman battery lanterns, etc. etc. Fired up the Coleman 5,000 watt generator on the first pull and plugged everything in: the refrigerator, the chest freezer, the TV and satellite box, ah life is good but where did this thumping headache and dry mouth come from? Well, it’s 10:30 P.M. now, time to go to bed because have to get up and go to work in the morning after I inspect for any damage. Oops, have to run another extension cord and power strip to the bedroom for the fan and battery backup alarm clock that doesn’t work without electricity. In hind sight it keeps the time stored internally and does not display it. Finally, fall on the ole queen size, Mr. Busch does his thing and the next thing I realize is that annoying beep, beep, beep that gets faster and louder, and it’s day light.

Time to take my shower, blah, blah, blah, but first let’s look through the window outside. Wow! Got dressed rather quickly and didn’t bother to clean up. Walking through the front door you sure could tell a severe storm came through. Debris, shingles, trashcans, branches, lawn furniture, toys, etc. were everywhere. Looking on the front side (opposite side of where the weather came from) on the roof, everything looks fine in the front. Going around to the back of the house I look up and lo and behold, no sewer vent pipe, no wind turbine, shingles missing…

I do believe I remember what might have taken all that out but, where might that trampoline be? We lived in a subdivision and we eventually found that thing 75 yards away where it struck the side of a house and caved the wall in pretty good.

Day One: Well let’s see… I need to call in work and take a couple of days off, call the insurance company, clean up all the mess, cover the holes on the roof until I can get a roofer out, etc. etc. Wow, sure is awful hot out for 7:00 A.M. The highs are forecasted to be in the upper nineties – lower 100’s on the extended forecast. Then the wife calls me into the house to show me the news on TV. Wow, very wide spread tornado and storm damage covering three states. Our entire regional area including St. Louis is 80% out of power. A gut feeling tells me we’re going to be without power for a number of days. Oh well, I’m a “prepper”, I’m ready? A quick check tells me I have about a weeks worth of gasoline for the Coleman 5,000 watt generator.

Later on that morning we took a little drive around our village to see what’s up. Nothing is open, and I mean nothing. No Wal-Mart, no Kroger, no McDonalds and no gas stations, very little traffic, stop lights out… Returning home around noon and walking into the house, a bitter thought screamed in my brain, “it’s getting warm in here”! Oh NO, I didn’t purchase that 8,000 B.T.U. window air conditioner I had planned to for the bedroom! Should I open the windows or keep the house closed up?

It wasn’t long before I had to make a decision. It was 98 degrees outside and 82 degrees inside and climbing. To make a long and miserable story short, I decided to keep the house closed up. At its peek the house would only get to 89 degrees inside max, and a couple of degrees cooler in the basement. The heat generated from the refrigerator, freezer, coffee pot, TV, I’m sure contributed allot. Even with a couple of fans blasting away directly at us, it was miserable trying to get any sleep until about time to get up when the temperature in the house hit its low.

Day Two: One long continuation of day one, hot! At least I have all the conveniences of home. Satellite TV, refrigerator, freezer, lights, coffee pot, microwave etc. No one else in the subdivision seems to be as well off. 9:00 P.M. – Honey, let’s go for a drive and see if anything is open yet. We did, nothing open. Driving back into the subdivision I got an eerie gut retching knot in my stomach as I was approaching my house. The entire subdivision is totally black, except for my house; it looks like Christmas from the outside. The entire subdivision is totally silent, except for my house, where the blaring sound of a generator permeates the silence. I have a big red and white circle on my back! Get inside and close the curtains and reposition the lights. Not much I can do about the generator noise anyway. I do have it chained and locked to my deck beam.

Day Three: The days are getting hotter along with the inside of the house. Now I have to report to work today. The roofer will be here today. I got home from work and good news. The roof is repaired, the wind turbine replaced, and the vent pipe repaired, all for a very reasonable price, didn’t get gouged! I’m getting 24 hours run time out of the Coleman at 50-75% capacity and the oil now needs changed. To conserve gasoline I’m considering running the generator for only 4-8 hours a day, but the wife won’t hear of it, she likes her conveniences. I use full synthetic Mobile One oil all the time in case I needed to start it in freezing conditions, works great. Remember those big red and white circles on my back? Some neighbors came over shortly after I returned home from work and asked if I had any ice and/or bottled water to spare? Along with everything else going on, we had a water boil order and advised not to drink the water.

Sure no problem, I don’t let it be known but I have 10 cases of bottled water and two 55-gallon plastic food grade barrels full for emergency use. However, I do not have an icemaker, as we have never used much ice. I only have six of those cheap plastic ice cube trays. I gave them what I had and refilled the trays and back in the freezer they go. Gave them plenty of ice-cold bottled water from the frig. I’m learning many of the people in the subdivision are driving 50-100 miles to get air conditioned motel rooms to escape the heat and sleep. Some are asking us to please try and keep an eye out on their property. 7:00 P.M. Good news, the local Quick Trip gas station got an emergency generator and is open for business. Bad News: You can’t get on the lot, traffic is backed up two blocks to get gas and it’s a mad house! They are out of ice, milk, bread, bottled water and other commodities. I park a couple of blocks away and go in. Good News: They have plenty of cold beer, just what the doctor ordered. I grab a case of my favorite who cares what’s happening beverage with a smile ear to ear and head home.

It’s so hot and miserable we have been eating light the last couple of days so I break out some pork steaks and brats and barbeque them as the wife boils potatoes for potato salad on my propane Coleman gas stove outside. We invited a few of our neighbors over to share. Shut down that noisy generator for a while for a moment of some normalcy. It’s 101 degrees Fahrenheit at the moment and that case of ice-cold beverage didn’t last long, so one of the neighbors hops into her car and takes care of that minor problem. But, so far everything is cash only at the QT, anything plastic will not get it.

Day Four: You got to be kidding me! Another line of severe thunder storms, tornados, high winds and hail is coming at about the same time of evening as the first round. Well, my general location didn’t get hit as bad as the first round but got a substantial amount of hail damage to my roof and vehicles; much of it was golf ball size. Looked like we had two inches of snow in July when it was finished. Well, nothing I can do about it now, might as well try and take a nap in the 88-degree indoor temperature and go to work in the morning.

Day Five: Learned at work about more power outages caused by the latest round of severe weather, hundreds of thousands of homes out of power again. The electric companies are asking out of state workers for assistance. Still no definite time table to restore electric service. I work at a hospital and the emergency generators have fuel for a week or more. More and more of the hardcore subdivision neighbors are stopping by and asking for bottled water and ice. My six plastic ice cube trays are getting a work out round the clock, can’t make it fast enough. Down to four cases of bottled water. Bad News: Something totally unexpected. In addition to still being under a water boil alert, the fire department is going door to door and handing out fliers. Hum, must be some sort of no burn notice or something. I grabbed my flier and read it. The village sewer system and pump stations do not have emergency back up power and blah, blah, blah. Long story short, sewage is backed up and can’t be pumped. This can cause a back up in your drains / toilet and possible sewage explosion. Have you ever seen the aftermath of a toilet / drain sewage explosion? They requested minimal use of the facility.

Day Six: Get up at 5:00 A.M. to get ready for work and brew a pot of coffee. Up earlier than normal because it’s so stinking hot I can’t get in a deep sleep. I’ve noticed the family and I are getting cranky at each other because we’re tired and miserable. Go to the shower to get my morning eye opener. You would think as hot as the inside of the house is this morning (82 degrees) a cold shower would feel good. NOT! Conserving hot water and taking quick showers in the morning, the three of us got three days out of the electric water heater. I did not make provisions to hook up the hot water heater or an electric generator transfer switch because I didn’t expect an electrical outage of this duration.

I decide not to go to work mainly because I only have a couple of gallons of gasoline left but the 5 gallon generator tank is topped off. A few more businesses have reopened but it’s still a mad house trying to get into the two gas stations now open and it’s still cash only. With all my empty gas cans I trek off on I-64 for about 35 miles and find an open gas station and pulled directly up to the pump, fill up the cans with gas and the truck with diesel, a two hundred dollar bill. Upon returning home I really want a nice cold glass of ice water. Crap, the wife just emptied all our cheap plastic ice trays for someone up the street. The wife tells me the woman who asked for the ice was boarder line rude and even asked when the next batch would be ready. People around here seem to be getting more expecting rather than appreciative. More stores seem to be opening up but they sell out of ice and bottled water as soon as a shipment arrives. I hear tell you can’t buy a generator in a three hundred mile radius. Thinking in my mind, if this thing would get worse and/or goes on much longer, I can see formally decent folk turn into animals and demand, not ask!

Day 7 & 8: Hot and more of the same. Down to my last ½ case of bottled water, time to take a long drive to find more. We’re all cranky, tired, sleepy and ready for civilized life to return. I’m tired of listening to everyone’s complaints. I’m tired of cold showers, shaving with cold water, taking a light into the bathroom to see, subconsciously after 8 days flipping the light switch and knowing after I flipped the switch they wouldn’t work. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. The very first thing I’ll do when things return to normal is purchase a room window a/c. The second thing I’m going to do is retire and move to the country and be as self sufficient as possible. The wife doesn’t really believe I’m going to do that after thirty years of marriage. I’m just blowing off some steam she thinks.

Day 9: Seven minutes after six in the evening, sitting in my recliner with sweat dripping off my sweat and thinking how I might make my wife and daughter’s life more miserable. The house lights momentarily flicker, and a brief smile was detected on my face. Then nothing… Thirty or so minutes later, the house lights come on, the a/c starts up and we all break out in applause, then five minutes later it goes out again. Bummer! Ten long minutes later, which probably was the longest ten minutes ever, it’s b-a-c-k! And it stays on and on. By 10:00 P.M. the house was down to a comfortable 78 degrees and as I pass by the thermostat on my way to bed, I accidentally bumped it down to 60 degrees!

I’m here to tell ya’ll, that was the best nights sleep a body could ask for. Later that day I had to purchase a new alarm clock because somehow it got smashed when it went off on the bedroom wall. The boss wondered what happened to me when I got up at noon and called in to tell him I would be in tomorrow to sign my retirement papers in HRMS. Have a nice day!

Update: What a world of difference living in the country with a few acres compared to the urban setting. Note to wife: Surprise! That alone gives me piece of mind that should TSHTF I don’t have to worry about close neighbors turning zombie.

No doubt different disasters will require different preparations and how people will react to them. I wouldn’t even consider my experience as a disaster, but a minor inconvenience compared to an actual disaster.

The major things I learned were:

(1) Until you actually experience a major inconvenience, even though mine was relatively minor in comparison to what very well may happen, you don’t know how your preps will fare and what you’re missing for the long run.

(2) Under stress, hardship and extreme environments, people change, and in my experience not for the better.

(3) Don’t put all your eggs in one basket! I have flashlights scattered all over the house now for easy access, even in the dark. I’ve relocated some of my supplies to out buildings instead of all of them in one area of the basement. As I live a spitting distance from the New Madrid fault line. If we get the “big one” and my house is severely damaged or leveled, I’m S.O.L.

(4) Cash was King. As the business’s finally got generators to open and pump gas and sell goods, the ATM’S, credit / debit systems were not functional. As a matter of fact, the merchants were requesting “exact change” for your purchases. Ice was limited to two per person but they were out seconds after delivery.

(5) Had the electrical power outage continued on, as it did for three weeks in many other communities, I was ill prepared. By sharing some of my resources I soon became short of potable water. Gasoline for the generator also became a major concern.

(6) In a densely populated urban setting, you can’t keep your preps a secret very long, as evidenced by the lights in my house seen from the street and the loud generator. It didn’t take very long for word to get out I was the man to see for your wants and needs. Did I mention #2 above?

(7) Alcohol clouds your decision-making ability. Alcohol and an emergency situation could be a recipe for tragedy. You always lose with Mr. Booze.

(8) It didn’t take long for polite society to go south. When people go from being polite and asking for assistance to being rude and I want it: Houston, we have a problem!

(9) You’re never to prepared! A benefit of my new country location, in addition to my increased stored water; I now have well water, a large pond, a creek and a system to collect rainwater and a septic system. As sparse as the population is in my new “hood”, I will be able to assist without climbing into the same boat, I hope?

(10) A larger generator tied into my home with a transfer switch would have been nice. My 5,000 watt Coleman did just fine, however, I had to constantly keep unplugging and plugging in appliances to keep from overloading the generator. The spider’s web of electrical cords running all over the floor was a trip waiting to happen.
 
Loot and steal as needed. Survival of the fittest unfortunately. When u and ur family are hungry, you are capable of anything.
 
We are pretty well prepared for just about anything.

A tip I can share is a solar generator as supplemental electricity...not only for light, but I have mine set up to re-charge all the batteries in my house..including all my dewalt tool batteries (note: you will need a pure sine inverter for this).

As batteries died, I replaced them with rechargeable versions...so in an extended power outage we will have all the batteries we need for flashlights, gps, etc..
plus I will have full use of my dewalt saw, drill & vacuum...which may be very helpful in a disaster situation.

It's also a money saver during normal times, as we are recharging everything for basically free.

I'm in sunny South Florida and this works great, it may not be as effective in the northern areas though.

anyway, it's a rarely discussed option and is more effective than keeping/rotating large amounts of disposable batteries.
 
The major things I learned were:

(1) Until you actually experience a major inconvenience, even though mine was relatively minor in comparison to what very well may happen, you don’t know how your preps will fare and what you’re missing for the long run.

(2) Under stress, hardship and extreme environments, people change, and in my experience not for the better.

(3) Don’t put all your eggs in one basket! I have flashlights scattered all over the house now for easy access, even in the dark. I’ve relocated some of my supplies to out buildings instead of all of them in one area of the basement. As I live a spitting distance from the New Madrid fault line. If we get the “big one” and my house is severely damaged or leveled, I’m S.O.L.

(4) Cash was King. As the business’s finally got generators to open and pump gas and sell goods, the ATM’S, credit / debit systems were not functional. As a matter of fact, the merchants were requesting “exact change” for your purchases. Ice was limited to two per person but they were out seconds after delivery.

(5) Had the electrical power outage continued on, as it did for three weeks in many other communities, I was ill prepared. By sharing some of my resources I soon became short of potable water. Gasoline for the generator also became a major concern.

(6) In a densely populated urban setting, you can’t keep your preps a secret very long, as evidenced by the lights in my house seen from the street and the loud generator. It didn’t take very long for word to get out I was the man to see for your wants and needs. Did I mention #2 above?

(7) Alcohol clouds your decision-making ability. Alcohol and an emergency situation could be a recipe for tragedy. You always lose with Mr. Booze.

(8) It didn’t take long for polite society to go south. When people go from being polite and asking for assistance to being rude and I want it: Houston, we have a problem!

(9) You’re never to prepared! A benefit of my new country location, in addition to my increased stored water; I now have well water, a large pond, a creek and a system to collect rainwater and a septic system. As sparse as the population is in my new “hood”, I will be able to assist without climbing into the same boat, I hope?

(10) A larger generator tied into my home with a transfer switch would have been nice. My 5,000 watt Coleman did just fine, however, I had to constantly keep unplugging and plugging in appliances to keep from overloading the generator. The spider’s web of electrical cords running all over the floor was a trip waiting to happen.

100% agree especially with #9. That was a good read..thanks for posting.

You never know how unprepared you really are until it is actual time to put your preparations to the test.

I got this out of the book "Handbook to Practical Disaster Preparedness for the Family" by Arthur T. Bradley (highly recommended for a starting point on preparing you family for the "worst") He puts in scenarios and gives you a exercise to put your supplies and skills to the test. To often, people do a good job of stocking the basics, but miss small items that end up being critical to survival. The classic example of this is having a pantry full of canned food but no manual can opener. Such oversights are easily remedied by testing your preparations before disaster strikes.

UNPLUGGED
Scenario - A powerful storm rolls through your community overnight, causing a loss of power.

As soon as you climb out of bed, turn off the main power breaker. For the next 24 hours, operate without utility power. If you have a generator and/or inverter, practice using them. Discover the capabilities and limitations of your equipment. Can you power your house lights? If not, do you have adequate substitute lighting for night time? Can you stay warm (or cool)? How will you cook? Operate under the assumption that the whole community is without power. This means that you must prepare your own meals-no running out to a restaurant. Keep the power turned off until the following morning. It is advisable that you try this in both the heat of the summer and in the dead of winter.

BOIL ORDER
Scenario - Your county health department issues a boil order for all tap water.

Treat the water coming out of your tap as contaminated. Start by discarding all the ice made from your water supply on the assumption that it too is suspect. If you have a true purifier, you can use the purified water from the tap without boiling it before hand. If you do not have a purifier, then you must boil or chemically treat all water before using it. If you wash your hands in contaminated water, you must use a alcohol sanitizer afterward. Give this a try for a day and see what impact it has on your family.

DRIED UP
Scenario - Local authorities have shut off tap water because heavy rains caused sewage to contaminate the water supply.

Start by cutting off the the water main coming to your house. For the next 24 hours, use stored water for your family's drinking, cooking, hygiene, and sanitation needs. Be sure to prepare for this challenge by storing adequate water. This is a great experiment to determine how much water your family really needs in an emergency. It is best to try this in the heat of the summer when your water needs are at their greatest.

RUNNING ON EMPTY
Scenario - Due to war needs, gasoline is in short supply and being rationed.

(This one will be difficult. I do not expect anyone to try this let alone complete it. If you are like me, the only driving I do is to and from work (70 miles round trip) and there is no one to carpool with around where I live. Thought I would throw it in here anyway...

Challenge your family to cut their fuel usage by 50% for an entire week-keep track of mileage to monitor your progress. Consider carpooling with your spouse or co-workers, limiting the number of shopping trips, eating at home rather than dining out, walking or riding a bike to nearby places, and a host of other fuel-saving actions.

DANDER AT THE DOOR
Scenario - Late one night, you answer the door to find three thugs who quickly push their way into your home.

Teach everyone in your family to react to an emergency word. If a family member shouts the word, everyone should immediately attempt to escape the home and seek help. Identify multiple escape routes from the home. Let everyone know the day when you will be conducting the practice drill but do not give them a specific time.

LIVE FROM YOUR CUPBOARDS
Scenario - Because of a recent disaster, the shelves at the local store are completely empty.

For 2 full weeks, have your family live off of what you have in the house - no trips to the grocery store of restaurants. This is a great way to assess how much food you really need to store, as well as clear out some of the food that has cluttered up the cupboard, refrigerator, and freezer for months. It may also help you learn to pull together some creative menus.

ESCAPE
Scenario - A dangerous event occurs at your location, such as a madman open firing in a movie theater.

This is more of an ongoing challenge than one done over a single day or week. Over the next few months, challenge your family to identify escape routs from public locations. This could include such places as a movie theater, supermarket, restaurant, bowling alley, or shopping mall. Ask them some basic questions: If there was suddenly a fire or explosion how would they get out alive? What route would they take if the main exit was blocked? Why would some exits be better than others? Where would they go once they escaped?

FIRE IN THE HOUSE
Scenario - Your house catches fire in the middle of the night.

Before doing this exercise, discuss and practice emergency evacuations from your home. To keep panic to a minimum, let everyone know that you will be conducting an overnight fire drill, but don't tell them the specific day that it will occur.

On the night of the drill, wait until everyone is asleep and then activate a fire alarm farthest from where your family sleeps. You can activate it by holding the test button or blowing a few matches out underneath it. See how long it takes for your family to wake up and rendezvous safely at a predetermined location just outside the home. Ideally, everyone should be outside in less than one minute. If your children don't wake up, investigate alternative alarm types, such as voice alarms.

ON THE ROAD
Scenario - Due to approaching wildfires, an evacuation order has just been issued for your community.

Without prior preparation, give your family 15 minutes to grab whatever they think they might need to evacuate. Take only a single change of clothes. use the little time you have to gather necessary supplies, irreplaceable items, and important documents. Pick a hotel some distance away, and travel to it using an alternate route - no main intersections. Spend the night in the hotel. Discuss the things you may have forgotten and how you could improve your evacuation response.

IT'S IN THE AIR
Scenario - A chemical plant has issued an urgent warning that an airborne hazard has accidentally been released. Authorities are urging residents to immediately go indoors and shelter-in-place.

Have your family retreat to a single room in your home. Seal the windows and doors. Remain in your "safe room" monitoring the radio for a couple of hours. Discuss with your family ways to prepare your room more quickly and make it more livable for a longer stay.

GET TO THE SHELTER
Scenario - One evening during a particularly violent thunderstorm, you suddenly hear the distinctive rumble of an approaching tornado. You have only seconds to get your family to safety.

Prior to conducting this drill, set up an in-home shelter. Make sure to stock it with supplies that your family might need if they were holed up for a few hours. Supplies might include: flashlights, batteries, water, snacks, blankets, a NOAA All Hazards weather radio, a first aid kit, a whistle, a telephone, and some cards, games, or books to keep everyone entertained.

Explain to your family that you will be conducting practice drills to see how quickly everyone can get to the shelter. Without warning, and at what are inopportune times, call for everyone to "get to the shelter." Use a stop watch to keep up with response times. Determine what causes the most delays, and ways to get everyone working together more efficiently. Once confined to the shelter, assess the sustainability of keeping everyone cooped up for hours. What could make it more tolerable? What supplies might you have overlooked?
 
That's a good start Shoobee. I was hoping this topic would spark more interest. Maybe with some time, more people will get involved. Looks like its just us for now. Anything else you want to add?

Nobody prepares to fail, they just fail to prepare.

Well, after getting the very basics together, which is not easy, then you need to add to it.

Those who go camping are familiar with all the roughing-it requirements.

Ground tarp, tent, cots, air mattresses, sleeping bags, woolen caps, flashlight, firestarters (several), parachute cord, gasoline stove so you can use car gas as needed, when you can't find wood, lots and lots of water in containers, water filter, nonperishable foods for short term and long term, camping pots and pans, hunting gear, food storage.

My bugout location is within 1/3 tank of gas from my residence on the road to the mountains in a place I am familiar with where I hike, camp, and backpack. I can refuel along the way once I get out of town, and I have 4 empty gasoline containers that serve to double my gastank capacity to 40 gals which is 1000 miles range at 25 mpg.

You have to remember that cities will become death traps with everyone else looting each other. If you stay in the city, you are going to run out of ammo and be killed. You cannot deal with millions of vagrants.

Once you bug out, that will at least get you away from the nonmobile zombies.

On the roads, refugees will form migrant communities for their own mutual aid. But you will need to be a contributor.

Initially a lot of cattle will be plundered until these all run out. Farms will be raided and farming families destroyed.

Finally there will be a huge era of cannibalism and scavanging.

It will finally end up as a mad max world.

A good bow and arrows will come in handy when all the ammo has run out, and smokeless powder is no longer being produced, nor the brass and bullets to go with it.

A good fishing spear, and snorkeling gear, for lakes and ponds and coastline will come in hand too. Rod and reel works also, but spear fishing is much more reliable.

Spearfishing a lake is easy because the freshwater fishes all tend to come up to you. That's why spearfishing is not allowed in fresh waters. Its a bit harder in the oceans, but not much harder. Finding big fish is the hardest part. Then they are easy to spear on one breathhold of air, once you have found them in the sea.

Some other nation will eventually invade, and take over. That's what always happens in history.
 
I am not so sure everyone will go it alone by bugging out. There is strength and security in numbers and people know that so many may stay put and organize. Some communities / neighborhoods might come together and become a little town unto itself sharing what needs to be shared but unfortunately most have not prepared for that scenario so it could be interesting.

If what I believe is going to happen then I am not worrying about it 'cause I'll be seeing it from another vantage point.
 
I am not so sure everyone will go it alone by bugging out. There is strength and security in numbers and people know that so many may stay put and organize. Some communities / neighborhoods might come together and become a little town unto itself sharing what needs to be shared but unfortunately most have not prepared for that scenario so it could be interesting.

If what I believe is going to happen then I am not worrying about it 'cause I'll be seeing it from another vantage point.

You will have all the same issues in Pennsylvania as the other major population centers.

Pennsylvania is a major state. You would need to flee the cities, and there will be droves of traffic in the process.

So the first major chaos will be jams on the roadways.

If you make it past that, you will need to head into the countryside, or make a dash for Canada, where the population density is less.

The Canadians are likely to close off their border however, for the same reason that the US border is closed off to Mexico.

Eventually you will be roughing it in the Pennsylvania countryside far away from the big cities. At least until it is picked clean.
 
in case of nuclear bomb dropping in your locale just put your head between your legs and kiss yo ass goodbye!
;)
best wishes to all however we may fall
 
in case of nuclear bomb dropping in your locale just put your head between your legs and kiss yo ass goodbye!
;)
best wishes to all however we may fall

The Russians and Chinese don't need to bomb the USA anymore. That would have been suicide, when it is just as easy for them to wait for a US federal bankruptcy.

The rag turbanned gihadists may sneak a nuke into NYC or LA or SF though. In that case, you would need to evacuate immediately, within a few hours after the blast, to avoid the fallout. A less likely scenario than financial disaster, or another big flu epidemic though.
 
i'd be more inclined to think our own government would drop a virus or bomb on our own cities more so than another nation doing it
 
The Liberty Man - Home

Listen to his show; this one deals with global changes. According to a 22 page brochure the gulf stream has stopped flowing since July 2010 and will wreak havoc for the northern countries. It has started creating problems in the west and midwest in the grain belt. If our food stops growing there's reason for a crisis that could bring about martial law.

 
Something you have to look at too is why govt's got together and built a seed bank off the coast of Norway, why has DHS bought hundreds of millions of rounds of ammo, why have they also bought bullet proof check point booths, why have they been training foreign troops on our soil and why have they been doing emergency type drills, why have they bought millions of body bags and plastic coffins, what are all the supposed fema camps for? What do they know we don't and why aren't they telling us what they know if a disaster is headed our way?

I don't know how much truth there is to this one but something like it is mentioned in the bible and apparently this comes around every 3600 or so years and causes planetary devastation like droughts, floods, wicked storms, earthquakes and possible shifting of the magnetic poles. These guys seem sincere but without actual sight of what they are talking about I am apprehensive but if what they are talking about becomes reality then it's game over, lights out, good night Irene and all this talk of bugging out has no use. Watch and you decide.

 
This is another one of those write a book or say nothing topics.

One of the things I am hearing again and again from people who have had to put their preps to use because of these natural disasters is if you are the only person in your neighborhood w/ a generator your neighbors are all going to know it very quickly. There was a guy name JWarren that posted on THR after Katrina about how far away you could hear the sound of his generator when there wasn’t any other noise to mask it. He also pointed out (as did the poster above) that the generator made him a target.

Another thing I hear frequently on some of the prepper websites is cities become very dangerous places to be when there are no public utilities and the police are busy protecting their own families. Again, the folks that I’m hearing this from are saying the last thing you want to do is stand out and be the only house on the block that has electricity.

I haven’t heard of this happening but it’s not too far of a jump to believe that emergency workers wouldn’t commandeer your generator for “the public good” in the event of an emergency or that your neighbors wouldn’t turn on you so again you want to blend in.

One of the biggest mistakes I see is people going to the trouble of prepping and then telling the whole world they did so. I say this all the time but information is like water, once it’s over the damn you can’t call it back and you can’t control where it goes. Make no mistake there are people out there whose disaster plan is to steal your stuff. I literally do not even discuss my preps w/ my grown kids who no longer live at home. I wouldn’t leave them hanging but until it’s time for them to know, they don’t need to know.
 
We are pretty well prepared for just about anything.

A tip I can share is a solar generator as supplemental electricity...not only for light, but I have mine set up to re-charge all the batteries in my house..including all my dewalt tool batteries (note: you will need a pure sine inverter for this).

As batteries died, I replaced them with rechargeable versions...so in an extended power outage we will have all the batteries we need for flashlights, gps, etc..
plus I will have full use of my dewalt saw, drill & vacuum...which may be very helpful in a disaster situation.

It's also a money saver during normal times, as we are recharging everything for basically free.

I'm in sunny South Florida and this works great, it may not be as effective in the northern areas though.

anyway, it's a rarely discussed option and is more effective than keeping/rotating large amounts of disposable batteries.

I need to start looking into this. Living in Arizona, it should be a requirement to have some sort of solar system out here. (Provided that it's government funded of course. hahahha)
 

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