let's call " gun free " zones what they really are.

[huntindogg 0701]

i will be calling "gun free" zones from now on "free kill" zones and we have mr. hillary clinton to thank for that.:yu:

 

[Rocketgeezer]

i will be calling "gun free" zones from now on "free kill" zones and we have mr. hillary clinton to thank for that.:yu:

They are only (free kill) zones if you allow them to be, now I'm certainly not advocating doing something illegal, but, I know theres always a (but) do you really think you would be prosecuted, for haveing gun in a school, post office, or wherever if a very BG came in and started shooting and you defended yourself and the other people, or students? and maybe saved several lives vs attending there funerals, I realize this is a very hypothetical situation, but it certainly can happen, and has except you or someone with a like mindset were not there, and innocent people were killed, a problem with this would be you would almost have to wait till the SOB started shooting before you took action, the thing about getting away with doing this (carrying in a gun free zone) is very good concealment, and VERY tight lips, NEVER EVER even in the slightest have ANYONE aware you are armed, I know this could get someone in serious trouble, but if you or another parent were picking up your kids from school and a BG come in and starts shooting what would you rather have in your hand the latest smart phone or a cocked and locked 45

 

[gundaddypv]

This type of situation must be determined by each individual. In my state, carrying into a business which posts no firearms is - at worst - a misdemeanor trespassing. I'm not sure how many of those you can get before you end up in jail as a felony, but I'm willing to bet its a lot.

The only places I don't carry are schools and post offices because it's an instant felony. For me the risk of being disarmed for a short amount of time is better than being disarmed permanently.

 

[wolf_fire]

They are only (free kill) zones if you allow them to be, now I'm certainly not advocating doing something illegal, but, I know theres always a (but) do you really think you would be prosecuted, for haveing gun in a school, post office, or wherever if a very BG came in and started shooting and you defended yourself and the other people, or students? and maybe saved several lives vs attending there funerals, I realize this is a very hypothetical situation, but it certainly can happen, and has except you or someone with a like mindset were not there, and innocent people were killed, a problem with this would be you would almost have to wait till the SOB started shooting before you took action, the thing about getting away with doing this (carrying in a gun free zone) is very good concealment, and VERY tight lips, NEVER EVER even in the slightest have ANYONE aware you are armed, I know this could get someone in serious trouble, but if you or another parent were picking up your kids from school and a BG come in and starts shooting what would you rather have in your hand the latest smart phone or a cocked and locked 45

I most likely wouldn't be prosecuted, but I certainly would lose my job. I could only hope the community outpouring for me to keep it would allow me to get it back. I teach.

 

[BC1]

This type of situation must be determined by each individual. In my state, carrying into a business which posts no firearms is - at worst - a misdemeanor trespassing. I'm not sure how many of those you can get before you end up in jail as a felony, but I'm willing to bet its a lot.

The only places I don't carry are schools and post offices because it's an instant felony. For me the risk of being disarmed for a short amount of time is better than being disarmed permanently.

I won't carry on any school property or that of any federal office. But I would ignore signs at businesses, stores, malls, etc. I've never seen a "no guns" sign anywhere but one branch of HSBC bank anyway. Usually the trespass charge won't apply unless you refuse to leave. Concealed is concealed and no one can prove I'm armed without searching me... something no private security guard will ever do.

 

[ezkl2230]

The original gfsza, which passed by unanimous consent in both houses, was signed by George HW Bush in 1990. The bill signed by Clinton in 1995 was a minor re-write after SCOTUS tossed the original in the Lopez case.

 

[r1derbike]

I would not carry in the killing fields known as school gun free zones. I would set myself up as a victim, just like the staff and children, for a crazed, murderous criminal to kill.

The school staff, and administration are wishing for unicorns, glitter, and protective utopia by erecting these signs, either by state or federal law.

The school's administration that allows murderous madmen to kill on school grounds, are just as culpable as the murderers.

No amount of hand-wringing by parents, superintendents, staff, and teachers will make this problem go away. Blatant ignorance, hoplophobia and emotionally misguided objectives rule the day in our school systems.

I do have a silver lining; my high school, which I graduated from in 1973, now has legally trained staff and teachers who are armed security guards who have been trained in terror tactics, and active shooter situations. This is not your everyday concealed carry permit, I believe each guard has gone through 75 hours of advanced training and received a badge they wear at school so everybody knows who their guardian angels are. And believe me, I've seen some video from their training, and they are guardian angels.

The stupidity of the federal, local, and school administrations is on display here, and I pray we have no more murders at the killing fields of unprotected schools. It is a disgrace how leftist morons (I use that word in the strongest possible sense) have been duped by common sense this and common sense that. Whatever happened to intellectually independent thinkers, instead of Marxist socialist sheep in our school systems? The children of today are being taught fraud, lies, and socialist communism, right under our noses!

It's a disgrace! Just as massive a disgrace as the Obama administration!

I'm done.

 

[nogods]

Actually, you have the legislatures of state like Texas and SC to thank for creating gun free zones. In NYS we don't have all those Nanny State limitations.

 

[ezkl2230]

I won't carry on any school property or that of any federal office. But I would ignore signs at businesses, stores, malls, etc. I've never seen a "no guns" sign anywhere but one branch of HSBC bank anyway. Usually the trespass charge won't apply unless you refuse to leave. Concealed is concealed and no one can prove I'm armed without searching me... something no private security guard will ever do.

This is an interesting posting from you, and to be honest, the last one I ever expected to see with your name attached.

You and I have been going around and around for the last year or so regarding our right to carry in self defense and the private property rights of businesses. You have always taken a blunt stance that businesses have the right to enforce a gun free policy, and carriers can just pound sand and find somewhere else to do their business if they disagree. You have said several times that you won't allow a customer or employee to carry on YOUR property because you would never let them have the advantage over you.

And yet, we now have this post with your nom de plume on it saying that, while you ferociously guard your own right to be weapons free, you will trample on that same right when on the premises of another business without hesitation.

I would be fascinated to hear how you justify this double standard (and BTW, this isn't the first time I have leveled that accusation at you, although in a slightly different context).

 

[CharlesMorrison]

i will be calling "gun free" zones from now on "free kill" zones and we have mr. hillary clinton to thank for that.:yu:

I prefer "target rich environment" myself....


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[nogods]

Under Alabama law if you gather to demonstrate against gun free zones you end up creating a gun free zone at the place you are demonstrating and within a 1000 foot radius.

Now that is something worth protesting about. But to do that while armed you'll have to be outside of Alabama.

Title 13A CRIMINAL CODE

Chapter 11 OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY

Article 3 Offenses Relating to Firearms and Weapons.

Section 13A-11-59


Possession of firearms by persons participating in, attending, etc., demonstrations at public places.


(a) For the purposes of this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them in this subsection, except in those instances where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:


(1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speechmaking or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers.


(2) FIREARM. Any pistol, rifle, shotgun or firearm of any kind, whether loaded or not.




(4) PUBLIC PLACE. Any place to which the general public has access and a right to resort for business, entertainment or other lawful purpose, but does not necessarily mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public. Such term shall include the front or immediate area or parking lot of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern, shopping center or other place of business. Such term shall also include any public building, the grounds of any public building, or within the curtilage of any public building, or in any public parking lot, public street, right-of-way, sidewalk right-of-way, or within any public park or other public grounds.


(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer, to have in his or her possession or on his or her person or in any vehicle any firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place.


(c) It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer as defined in subsection (a) of this section, to have in his or her possession or about his or her person or in any vehicle at a point within 1,000 feet of a demonstration at a public place

 

[sdprof]

Actually, you have the legislatures of state like Texas and SC to thank for creating gun free zones. In NYS we don't have all those Nanny State limitations.

Say what?????

Blog: Karma catches up with school gun ban activist

§ 265.01-a. Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon on school
grounds when he or she knowingly has in his or her possession a rifle,
shotgun, or firearm in or upon a building or grounds, used for
educational purposes, of any school, college, or university, except the
forestry lands, wherever located, owned and maintained by the State
University of New York college of environmental science and forestry, or
upon a school bus as defined in section one hundred forty-two of the
vehicle and traffic law, without the written authorization of such
educational institution.
Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds is a class E felony.

 

[nogods]

Say what?????

Blog: Karma catches up with school gun ban activist

Yep, in NYS we prohibit concealed carry in schools.

But in SC you can't carry in a medical facility, a church, a town meeting. What's with that? SC's can be trusted not to shoot each other during a town meeting about the upcoming 4th of July celebration? Too funny.

 

[gunnerbob]

Actually, you have the legislatures of state like Texas and SC to thank for creating gun free zones. In NYS we don't have all those Nanny State limitations.

Under Alabama law if you gather to demonstrate against gun free zones you end up creating a gun free zone at the place you are demonstrating and within a 1000 foot radius.

Now that is something worth protesting about. But to do that while armed you'll have to be outside of Alabama.

Say what?????

Blog: Karma catches up with school gun ban activist

Yep, in NYS we prohibit concealed carry in schools.

But in SC you can't carry in a medical facility, a church, a town meeting. What's with that? SC's can be trusted not to shoot each other during a town meeting about the upcoming 4th of July celebration? Too funny.

While I agree that the firearms laws in SC need to change...

Are you really arguing for the superiority of your state now? Is this what retired lawyers do? You have my sympathy, nogods...

Geesh!

 

[BC1]

This is an interesting posting from you, and to be honest, the last one I ever expected to see with your name attached.

You and I have been going around and around for the last year or so regarding our right to carry in self defense and the private property rights of businesses. You have always taken a blunt stance that businesses have the right to enforce a gun free policy, and carriers can just pound sand and find somewhere else to do their business if they disagree. You have said several times that you won't allow a customer or employee to carry on YOUR property because you would never let them have the advantage over you.

And yet, we now have this post with your nom de plume on it saying that, while you ferociously guard your own right to be weapons free, you will trample on that same right when on the premises of another business without hesitation.

I would be fascinated to hear how you justify this double standard (and BTW, this isn't the first time I have leveled that accusation at you, although in a slightly different context).

The answer is simple. I'm a hypocrite. And honest enough to admit it.
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While my company policy was no guns, we weren't open to the public. We were behind a card entry system. A lot of good engineers won't work at a firm where their co-worker has a gun in his desk so it was in the consultant's contract. I can't survive as a business if I only hire people who aren't afraid of guns. I can't have one of my consultants showing up armed at a client company, in violation of their policies. It affects my business. These weren't employees, they were developers contracted to do a certain consulting job. I kept the advantage because people in my position are most likely to be the target of disgruntled individuals. But I never asked anyone. I never checked anyone. Having the company policy in my contracts & handbook saved money on our insurances. Period. If Joe Blow had his gun in his briefcase I'll never know. Now the other hand if I owned a business open to the public, like a store, I wouldn't care about legally armed customers. At my home my position has and always will be that no one who isn't very close to the family enters armed.
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The hypocritical part is that I would ignore the sign, unless I was in a state where the sign carried weight of law. In NYS it doesn't. So while the owner may post a sign the most he can ask me to do is leave. And I would kindly and quietly oblige. In NYS it's CC only and no one knows its there. But the strangest part is that I've only ever seen a no-guns sign once; at an HSBC Bank. I pointed it out to my wife and entered anyway. I was carrying business receipts and that's the reason for the gun in the first place. So far that's it. It's the only time I ever saw a sign and the only time I blew it off. BTW, I actually left HSBC over that policy. HSBC (The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation) can kiss my ass. On a personal level, if I'm gong to someone's home who doesn't want anyone armed I wouldn't violate their wishes.

 

[ezkl2230]

The answer is simple. I'm a hypocrite. And honest enough to admit it.
.
While my company policy was no guns, we weren't open to the public. We were behind a card entry system. A lot of good engineers won't work at a firm where their co-worker has a gun in his desk so it was in the consultant's contract. I can't survive as a business if I only hire people who aren't afraid of guns. I can't have one of my consultants showing up armed at a client company, in violation of their policies. It affects my business. These weren't employees, they were developers contracted to do a certain consulting job. I kept the advantage because people in my position are most likely to be the target of disgruntled individuals. But I never asked anyone. I never checked anyone. Having the company policy in my contracts & handbook saved money on our insurances. Period. If Joe Blow had his gun in his briefcase I'll never know. Now the other hand if I owned a business open to the public, like a store, I wouldn't care about legally armed customers. At my home my position has and always will be that no one who isn't very close to the family enters armed.
.
The hypocritical part is that I would ignore the sign, unless I was in a state where the sign carried weight of law. In NYS it doesn't. So while the owner may post a sign the most he can ask me to do is leave. And I would kindly and quietly oblige. In NYS it's CC only and no one knows its there. But the strangest part is that I've only ever seen a no-guns sign once; at an HSBC Bank. I pointed it out to my wife and entered anyway. I was carrying business receipts and that's the reason for the gun in the first place. So far that's it. It's the only time I ever saw a sign and the only time I blew it off. BTW, I actually left HSBC over that policy. HSBC (The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation) can kiss my ass. On a personal level, if I'm gong to someone's home who doesn't want anyone armed I wouldn't violate their wishes.

You've got chutzpa, I'll give you that.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

FELON CARRY ZONES

Only felons can carry and if a lawful citizen carries, it makes them a felon too.

 

[Rocketgeezer]

I most likely wouldn't be prosecuted, but I certainly would lose my job. I could only hope the community outpouring for me to keep it would allow me to get it back. I teach.

Your most likely correct being a teacher, you would definatly catch it, but being a CCW permit carrier, in what situation would you feel better? standing there in front of your class while some SOB kicks open the door and starts blasting kids, all the while the schools resorce officer is on the phone with the cops, or when he kicks the door waste the bastard where he stands, true it would be a awful thing for a small child to see, but at least thanks to you they could go home to there parents and cry about it

 

[wolf_fire]

Your most likely correct being a teacher, you would definatly catch it, but being a CCW permit carrier, in what situation would you feel better? standing there in front of your class while some SOB kicks open the door and starts blasting kids, all the while the schools resorce officer is on the phone with the cops, or when he kicks the door waste the bastard where he stands, true it would be a awful thing for a small child to see, but at least thanks to you they could go home to there parents and cry about it

Well... since I owe more to my wife in supporting one another, I adhere to the law and my school's policies in not bringing a firearm to school, unfortunately.

However, I do have strategies I would take if I had knowledge of a gunman in the school. If caught by complete surprise, none of those strategies would be able to be carried out.

This is the risk that I and many other teachers, students, and other faculty face each day.

 

[SCfromNY]

Just a quick comment about SC laws. Yes NY has less restrictions on where you can carry. That's because a full carry permit is not that easy to get especially one that is good for the whole state. See NYC. You do not need to put restrictions on something that is rare and unusual. In SC a CWP is not difficult to get and unless you are a felon it will be granted within 90 days. NJ's permit has no restrictions I'm aware of. Guess why?