LEO illegally disarms and arrest Active Duty Master Sargent
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TheFollower
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Legalities aside, explain to me why anyone should stroll down the road wearing his boonie hat, a ruck on his back and an AR strapped across his chest....if not to provoke an encounter. And by the way, he just happened to be carrying a camcorder. People like him do NOT help the 2A cause. And more sadly, he traumatized his son just to make his selfish point.
The cop was right, in this world (right or wrong), and thanks to the media....people with guns make other people nervous. It didn't always used to be this way but IT IS this way now. And such confrontational tactics are not helpful to maybe changing those minds back in time.
The cop was right, in this world (right or wrong), and thanks to the media....people with guns make other people nervous. It didn't always used to be this way but IT IS this way now. And such confrontational tactics are not helpful to maybe changing those minds back in time.
IDMooseMan
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Agree and disagree.
The boonie hat provides shade from the sun.
A ruck on his back...maybe what he was carrying didn't fit in his wallet.
An AR strapped across his chest (more gun than I need to carry on a daily basis) but if the AR is "legal" in his area, and he chooses to carry it, good for him.
"WE" don't know if he intended to be confronted or not, and personally, I don't care one way or the other. When I carry, open or concealed, it's because I choose to carry in that manner. I do NOT intend nor look for a confrontation. I am merely exercising my 2A rights, nothing more, nothing less. Thankfully, I live in an area where I don't need to carry a camcorder whenever I'm carrying my weapon.
If I ever get to the point where a camcorder is needed every time I leave my house because I "know" I'll have a LEO encounter, then maybe it's time to take a step back and reevaluate why the camcorder is needed. Maybe the reason I need a camcorder with me is because I've crossed some unseen boundary of common-sense.
Of all the times I've carried my weapon, open and concealed, LEO has never deemed a "conversation" with me was needed.
The boonie hat provides shade from the sun.
A ruck on his back...maybe what he was carrying didn't fit in his wallet.
An AR strapped across his chest (more gun than I need to carry on a daily basis) but if the AR is "legal" in his area, and he chooses to carry it, good for him.
"WE" don't know if he intended to be confronted or not, and personally, I don't care one way or the other. When I carry, open or concealed, it's because I choose to carry in that manner. I do NOT intend nor look for a confrontation. I am merely exercising my 2A rights, nothing more, nothing less. Thankfully, I live in an area where I don't need to carry a camcorder whenever I'm carrying my weapon.
If I ever get to the point where a camcorder is needed every time I leave my house because I "know" I'll have a LEO encounter, then maybe it's time to take a step back and reevaluate why the camcorder is needed. Maybe the reason I need a camcorder with me is because I've crossed some unseen boundary of common-sense.
Of all the times I've carried my weapon, open and concealed, LEO has never deemed a "conversation" with me was needed.
With all the crap that has been going on, it's just not smart. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I have a safe full of different guns, but I carry the right gun for the job (Rifle=Hunting, sidearm=protection, ect...)
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NONE of them are EVER carried to make a statement.
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This guy is not helping the 2A cause.
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NONE of them are EVER carried to make a statement.
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This guy is not helping the 2A cause.
Deanimator
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I wish I had a dime for every time somebody said that to me about concealed carry. I'd buy a water cooled .50 machine gun, all of the accessories and a couple of pallets of ammunition... and have money left over.
I wouldn't have taken such a confrontational stance with the police at the time, voice your resistance and unwillingness to be searched calmly, once, the camera is running, if an illegal search is performed then so be it, you can prove it was an illegal search and file a complaint after the fact. Being a **** and constantly badgering the officer is just a good way to piss them off, and yes, pissing off people with the power to make your day a bad one is not a good idea whether it's right or wrong for them to do so. As far as carrying the rifle, do or don't, doesn't matter, but if you've got an AR-15 strapped and dangling on your chest in a one point sling don't be surprised if an officer wants to stop and ask what you're doing, and if they insist on securing the weapon themselves instead of just asking for it. Because if you did happen to be that .18% who commit crimes with said rifle it takes, one quick motion to shoot the officer with that rifle the way it was being carried.
I'm 99% sure if the man had not been so confrontational he would not have been arrested, he'd have been sent on his way in a couple minutes and finished his hike. Yes we have the right not to be searched illegally, but trying to win that case with the one doing the illegal searching is probably not going to turn out good. Save it for court.
One thing is curious though, they said they were placing him under arrest for resisting arrest. Wouldn't they have had to attempt placing him under arrest for something else before he could resist said arrest and be arrested for it?
I'm 99% sure if the man had not been so confrontational he would not have been arrested, he'd have been sent on his way in a couple minutes and finished his hike. Yes we have the right not to be searched illegally, but trying to win that case with the one doing the illegal searching is probably not going to turn out good. Save it for court.
One thing is curious though, they said they were placing him under arrest for resisting arrest. Wouldn't they have had to attempt placing him under arrest for something else before he could resist said arrest and be arrested for it?
Kramer1113
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I would never do this to my child. Walk solo if you need to make a point but don't bring a child into it.
Everything else is pointless In My Opinion.
Everything else is pointless In My Opinion.
jcreek
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I carry my AR frequently when I go on hikes. That automatically means I'm trying to provoke an encounter? Sometimes it's because of the wildlife in the area, and sometimes it's just because Marines train how we fight. It's extremely counterproductive to train and get used to hiking around without a rifle when every time you're in country you don't take a ***** with your rifle on you. As an E-7 I'm sure he knows that concept well.
As to the camcorder he stated he was out hiking for his sons merit badge. BSA requires you to document the chives for your badge.
I understand that there are lots of people who OC strictly for the purpose of getting their 15 minutes on YouTube, "standing up to" police, and I agree with you that that doesn't help 2A rights at all but I don't believe that this guy is one of them at all. I think he he became confused and angered when the police clearly violated his rights and didn't handle the situation as well as he could have being that he was in front of his son. He should have kept his cool, and you should never pull away from an officer when you have a weapon on you. That will get you shot. But the fact the guns scare people "these days" is absolutely NO REASON to cave to their pressure and stop exercising your rights.
BC1
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This guy is a hysterical little girl. He could have walked away with his gun and pride intact. The LEO was investigating a call. He wanted him to put the gun while he figured this out and I don't blame him. The LEO doesn't know what situation he's facing so he secures the scene. This mutt actually thought they would let him go after his performance. Had he set the gun down and answered some questions the LEO would have been satisfied. Instead he chose to obstruct the investigation. Lawsuit? Not happening. Keep an eye on this story. I'll bet a shiny new dime this goes nowhere.
I listened to Tom Greshams GunTalk Radio. They interviewed the guy.
http://traffic.libsyn.com/guntalk/130421guntalkB.mp3
Interesting.
http://traffic.libsyn.com/guntalk/130421guntalkB.mp3
Interesting.
Totidem Verbis
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Gives 2A a bad name. Seriously? I totally disagree with everyone who believes that this person was wrong in his style, approach, manner, for whatever reason that he choose to do this. Think about it. For one he was willing to stand up for his right. Not sitting back armchair quarterbacking, bitching and complaining how they will subvertly take our weapons away.
He tested the system. How can you know what's wrong without pushing the boundaries? Test how the system will react to someone who OC a rifle or pistol. Will the courts side with your right or remove it?
Those who expressed distain for this guy are more at fault for allowing the system to chip away our rights. Your view is distorted to the point you can't see what's actually being taken away because you refuse to exercise, and even worse refuse to fight for your right to keep and bear arms.
He tested the system. How can you know what's wrong without pushing the boundaries? Test how the system will react to someone who OC a rifle or pistol. Will the courts side with your right or remove it?
Those who expressed distain for this guy are more at fault for allowing the system to chip away our rights. Your view is distorted to the point you can't see what's actually being taken away because you refuse to exercise, and even worse refuse to fight for your right to keep and bear arms.
Understood, I CC daily and as much as I would love a 50... I wouldn't be packing it down the street in public.
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This debate can go on forever. As for me, I prefer to fly UNDER the radar.
tricolordad
Banned
At the NRA convention, he was guven a brand new AR by a manufacturer since fhe police "confiscated" his weapon.
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ezkl2230
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Black Rain provided him with a new firearm, which he gave to his wife since he is convinced that his will be returned to him a some point.
Vet arrested for carrying AR-15 on hike gets ultimate surprise - Guns.com
Vet arrested for carrying AR-15 on hike gets ultimate surprise - Guns.com
I believe it was stated that the camera was to record the hike or portions thereof for the son's scouting badge.
The nervous nellies out there need to grow a pair and accept responsibility for themselves. I wouldn't give two sh**s about them, if it weren't for the fact that they aren't content to be victims themselves. No, they want everyone to be as helpless as they are. That I cannot abide.
Gallstones
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And women who go to bars in makeup and short dresses are asking to be raped.
See the disconnect in your logic?
Carrying where it is legal to carry, having a camera to record whatever while you walk, one's style of dress--none of these things are illegal nor give probable cause. Having an [subjective] "objectionable" appearance is not provocation.
Gallstones
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I think that everytime you carry, whether it be open or concealed, you're making a statement even if you are the only one who knows it.
Sometimes one should indeed do a thing just because one can. It is how one comports oneself when doing it that makes it effective or ineffective.
Gallstones
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One more thing about the "booney hat" and how the guy was dressed. I just worked our annual Veteran's Stand Down--we passed out wardrobes of decommisioned military clothing to hundreds of people. I got a bunch myself. I will wear it because it suits the climate I live in and my lifestyle. Does that make me or the hundreds of others who also got clothing provocateers, is there probable cause for us to be harrassed by LE because we have on a hat or a jacket or fatigue pants?
Guess how everyone carried their clothing home..........in rucksacks and flight bags and duffle bags. We gave them out too.
Guess how everyone carried their clothing home..........in rucksacks and flight bags and duffle bags. We gave them out too.
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