Legal Networks for CC'ers

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USN2Pulpit

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Good morning all...

I'm looking into legal networks for those that conceal-carry. In the event that I have to defend self or another, are there cooperatives out there that serve to supply legal representation. Something like "self-defense legal insurance."

Anyone know of any good deals out there?

Thanks.
 
There are a couple that are out there. Personally, I know only one "Legal Services" company that gives you free access to an attorney 24/7 365 in case of an emergency; in "ANY" state and also offers FREE court representation; that is PrePaid Legal Services.

They aren't an CC exclusive company. But,I've had a membership for over 15yrs and have used them for everything from "contract" reading to "accident" representation. They are a MLM company. But, you will have the BEST attorneys in the country available to represent you anywhere you are in the United States.

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rjefmiller said:
You might want to look into the USCCA Site and check out their "Self Defense Shield" coverage.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
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That sounds good too. But, it can be difficult to find an attorney if something should happen while you're on vacation or working out of your state. That's what I like about the PrePaid Legal Services "Legal Shield". I already have the BEST attorneys in whatever state or city I happen to be in at the time; should I need them. (But, the $$$$ for a "self-defense" fund sound real good to me. This may be an excellent "supplement" to my PPL coverage.)
 
tcox4freedom said:
That looks pretty good. But, they don't appear to provide any "legal" representation. However, $10K to your defense is a good deal for $85 a year. I made add this service so I can have the $$$ to pay my Prepaid Legal attorneys for non-covered services if I need to.

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While ACLDN (Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network) does not provide an attorney, they do have a list for members of attorneys in your area. It is the member's responsibility to secure the attorney, preferably BEFORE you ever need him/her. It is also my understanding that they will help you find someone if you are in a bind and out of town. (Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc.). This is a great bunch of people running this outfit, and an attorney/firearms instructor is at the top of the heap. He knows the shooting business...fun and legal. :yes2:
 
tcox4freedom said:
I travel a lot on business. How does this service handle finding me a "local" attorney in other states?
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You can view the list for any state.

hogdoc357 said:
While ACLDN (Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network) does not provide an attorney, they do have a list for members of attorneys in your area. It is the member's responsibility to secure the attorney, preferably BEFORE you ever need him/her. It is also my understanding that they will help you find someone if you are in a bind and out of town. (Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc.). This is a great bunch of people running this outfit, and an attorney/firearms instructor is at the top of the heap. He knows the shooting business...fun and legal. :yes2:
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When your freedom is on the line you'll want the best attorney that you and your family and your friends and strangers willing to contribute to your defense can afford.

10K isn't going to do that for you. Lawyers can get 7k as assigned counsel for routine drug cases in federal court.

My daughter has a summer clerk job with a large firm in Chicago with a significant number of former US Attorneys in the firm (not former Assistant US Attorneys, but former US Attorneys.) They are paying her $3100 per week. That's right, per week. You think you could hire a partner in that firm for 10k for a criminal matter involving a death? Keep dreaming. They can't afford to pay summer associates $3100 per week by charging 10k retainers.

When you ask the best criminal trial lawyers in the country "how much will this cost " they usually answer with something like "much more than you have. When this over, you can either be broke and in jail or you'll be broke and free. Either way you'll be broke. The only issue is whether you'll be in jail or be free. Now tell me how much you and your family and all your friends and even strangers willing to contribute to your defense costs can raise, and then I'll tell you whether I'm willing to take your case."
 
The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
--- Samuel Adams

Hey RHINO! The whole thing has been MISCONSCREWED!
 
nogods said:
When your freedom is on the line you'll want the best attorney that you and your family and your friends and strangers willing to contribute to your defense can afford.

10K isn't going to do that for you. Lawyers can get 7k as assigned counsel for routine drug cases in federal court.

My daughter has a summer clerk job with a large firm in Chicago with a significant number of former US Attorneys in the firm (not former Assistant US Attorneys, but former US Attorneys.) They are paying her $3100 per week. That's right, per week. You think you could hire a partner in that firm for 10k for a criminal matter involving a death? Keep dreaming. They can't afford to pay summer associates $3100 per week by charging 10k retainers.

When you ask the best criminal trial lawyers in the country "how much will this cost " they usually answer with something like "much more than you have. When this over, you can either be broke and in jail or you'll be broke and free. Either way you'll be broke. The only issue is whether you'll be in jail or be free. Now tell me how much you and your family and all your friends and even strangers willing to contribute to your defense costs can raise, and then I'll tell you whether I'm willing to take your case."
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Sad but true! I wonder what Law School your daughter goes to. No need to post that here. Aside from you being her father, she must be a very special accomplished little girl!
 
Securing prepaid legal representation for something that is specifically used in the event you have to shoot someone in self defense may be used to make you look like you wanted or anticipated using deadly force against someone. I know that isn't the intent, but I think a prosecutor is going to make a case for that. Maybe some general prepaid legal that could also cover you in the case of self defense, but I would not get something specifically for self defense.

I like the idea of being prepared, and everyone should have contact info for a good lawyer on them, but I would hesitate paying for something like that.
 
@UtahSDI - then you also are against car insurance, home owners insurance, life insurance, etc ?? Having 'insurance' in the overall is certainly a lot better than not having it. Since most of us do not intend to break any laws, and we are just looking to protect ourselves and our families, we believe that use of our weapons under those circumstances will not be a problem to us, but, look at what's happened in Florida . . I think we are going to see more of these situations coming to the forefront when they can be used for political purposes and move agendas along. I look for the day that all the states require it as part of your ccw licensing/carrying permit. Prepaid Legal provides all kinds of legal services, so by itself, it is not gun specific like the USCCA or others, it gives a different connotation to Legal Insurance. But, my opening argument would def surfice in a line of questioning in a courtroom as well.
 
I see this as "measured risk." For my health care needs I have a primary care physician--I don't have a list of specialists prearranged in case I break a leg or have a heart attack.

My approach: I have an attorney who is a respected generalist and while I don't keep him on retainer, he's the guy I call whenever I feel the need for legal help. I trust him to know when a situation is out of his realm of expertise. Admittedly he's an exceptional attorney -- he doesn't have a meter on his telephone and as often as not tells me I don't need him. Finding an attorney like him is a bit harder than sending somebody $120 per year for legal protection, but I think it's worth it.

I'm not a fan of outfits like prepaid legal for a lot of reasons and am not trying to start that debate here... I don't see the need to pay to keep a card in my wallet with an 800 number I can call if I get into trouble. There's a difference between buying "insurance" and hiring professional help to solve a problem. I also agree with the suggestion that hiring someone ahead of time for the specific purpose of defending you if you use your weapon could be used to support the claim you intended to use deadly force.
 
WoodsWally said:
I see this as "measured risk." For my health care needs I have a primary care physician--I don't have a list of specialists prearranged in case I break a leg or have a heart attack.

My approach: I have an attorney who is a respected generalist and while I don't keep him on retainer, he's the guy I call whenever I feel the need for legal help. I trust him to know when a situation is out of his realm of expertise. Admittedly he's an exceptional attorney -- he doesn't have a meter on his telephone and as often as not tells me I don't need him. Finding an attorney like him is a bit harder than sending somebody $120 per year for legal protection, but I think it's worth it.

I'm not a fan of outfits like prepaid legal for a lot of reasons and am not trying to start that debate here... I don't see the need to pay to keep a card in my wallet with an 800 number I can call if I get into trouble. There's a difference between buying "insurance" and hiring professional help to solve a problem. I also agree with the suggestion that hiring someone ahead of time for the specific purpose of defending you if you use your weapon could be used to support the claim you intended to use deadly force.
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^^^ All Good advice ^^^

The primary reason I like PrePaid Legal is "because" I have the nations BEST attorneys available on retainer 24/7 365. The extreme "buying" power of all PPL members insures the absolute best representation available. The reason I say BEST is because that's what they are rated; and their firms makes $10's of thousands of dollars a month to represent their members. (They also have the LARGEST referral network in the WORLD.)

The other reason is they specialize in "ALL" aspects of the law. So, there is NO danger of any accusations of premeditation.

I'm not trying to debate either. But there is a whole lot of unwarranted BS out there on why people don't like PPL.

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I've been licensed to carry in Texas for the past 10 years. My biggest fear has been legal representation and financial burden should the absolute need arise wherein I am forced to use my weapon. My attempts to find a local attorney to establish a relationship with were ridiculously futile - they said, " if you need me, call me at that time." Well, the last thing you want to think about in the aftermath of a self defense shooting is who do I call and how much will it cost? Initially, I subscribed to an NRA affiliated insurance group for self defense insurance, but it didn't provide assistance until you were proved innocent AFTER paying all legal costs. Enter the ACLDN and the USCCA. Not only to these organizations provide UP FRONT aid, they also have resources that allowed me to contact a nation-wide firm well versed in gun defense laws that are on call 24/7 - I actually spoke to a real live person that assured me of such (they are much more cooperative when they KNOW they will be paid up front)! BUT - of more importance, if you thoroughly read the publications provided by both networks, you will be able to establish a change in mindset that might actually allow you to avoid such confrontations in the first place. NO, they will not pay all the tremendous fees that you will probably encounter, but they will provide the avenue to avoid spending the night behind bars - where you could very well end up until things are all sorted out - and you will at least have a trusted legal rep to call at any hour of the day. Any person serious about carrying, needs to at least check out:

Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, Inc. and
http://usconcealedcarry.com
 
The dynamics of self defense with a firearm are obvious. Having said that I believe I understand the firearm and self defense laws of SC, where I live, and as long as I understand them and act accordingly, I will not be charged with any crime, and I cannot be sued civilly---the need for a standing retainer with an attorney or a yearly payout for insurance is not necessary. Yes--what if is there---I still believe that 1) the chances that an incident will happen are slight to none and 2) I will know when, how and where to defend myself according to the law.
 
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