Leave a tip or stay home!

[apvbguy]

This is the way the world works, especially when you undertip your server. Don't like it? Keep your cheap a$s at home.

no! the way the world works is you work for what you are worth, you deserve or are entitled to NOTHING! your biggest impediment in the working world appears to be you. It must have been an awful restaurant you were in to not make any tip money on a shift. maybe you noticed the high turnover there? that was because the better waitstaff would never work in a dump it appears that you must have been working in.

It is sad how people like you fall into the traps set up by a fast moving high paced world. I know that if you are older, unskilled in the modern workplace or handicapped in any way it is very very hard to fund a job.
I don't know how old you are, what skills you possess nor what field you are seeking employment in so it is difficult to offer advice, all I can offer is that you need a huge attitude adjustment, because that chip on your shoulder is very evident to anyone who you interview with, it even comes out in your written correspondence.

as for guns, if you need dough, now is a good time to be selling guns and ammo in order to raise funds.

 

[Jay]

Speaks to your character to complain about negative reaction to your underpaying for FULL SERVICE. You talk like you're part of the entitlement class. Are you?
FYI, I want to work. I spend at least 2 hours a day just searching online and I hit the library daily to check the ads in the paper. And yes, I found a job. A volunteer position. Doesn't pay at all. Costs me to do it actually. Costs me to not have any gaps in my work history in a time period when absolutely nobody is hiring, and my application is just one of tens of thousands for the one position that does open. If you think there are paid jobs out there just for the taking, you're on another planet. And not all of us can afford to go back to school for a few years. Last time I did that, it cost me $22,000 and by the time I finished, that market had tanked. Some of us don't have the money to play another hand, we have to play the hand we're dealt. Just to live life, we had to go all in. It's good that you have those options though. With your uppity attitude, I doubt you'd have the drive to succeed were you in my shoes.

You advocate spitting (or worse) on peoples food, and you call me uppity? Succeed? I spent 47.5 years working for a living through two recessions and rough periods in the economy. I was out of work a total of three weeks. I'm retired, and I worked for every dime I have. I'm debt free, and never once cried to anyone else about how little I got tipped. Your light tippers probably paid you what you're worth. You need to pull yer head out of yer dark smelly (probably)place, quit pissin' and crying on the internet, and get yer sorry ass to work. You aren't gonna find a job thru this forum, now that any prospective employer here has experienced your attitude. Got news for ya clown, your size has no bearing at all on your abilities as a server. It's your demeanor and attitude that suck. Man up and quit yer bellyachin'.

By the way... who said I EVER under-tipped? Good service gets good tips, period. Did your $22,000 education teach you to read, or just make stuff up?

 

[vernsimpson]

I usually tip at least 20%. I am not a demanding person and I try to give the wait-person my order and not bother them with little things. I have seen people who will order then want to change it a couple of times, then order coffee or something. Even if the service is not up to par I take into account how busy they are. If the service was not good and they were not busy I still tip but only 15%. Places I go to on a regular basis and get to know the staff I tip more than20% on special occasions and holidays, how much depends on how I know them. I know they work hard and have to put up with some who are absolute jerks who nobody could happy!!!!!

 

[mspt_99]

ok, I"m not disagreeing with the original thrust of the OP but, at least for WA state it is not entirely accurate. I am a business owner and while I do not employ those who earn tip wages I understand some about how the system works.
the employer is able to pay the tip employee the low tip wage per state requirements: typically in the mid $2/hr range. If the employee, during the course of their shift does not earn at least the minimum wage via tips per hour the employer must make up the difference. So I do not think that it is legal for a tip employee to actually earn less than the state's minimimum wage.
So we can debate the decency of the actual minimum wage etc but I think factually a tip employee at least gets to take home the minimum wage. Despite that wrinkle in the system, that alone should NOT absolve anyone from tipping appropriately for services rendered.

 

[maine04619]

A tip is something you do for GOOD service. I worked in the food industry a long time ago and know the game. The majority of waitstaff do NOT claim there tips. Those that do are mostly one whose tips go through the register. I NEVER tip by the amount of the bill I tip based on SERVICE. That all aside if the waitress in question is not making enough money to keep her car running then she needs to seek more gainful employment.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I am very bad with tipping! My wife works out the tip down to the penny... Not a cent more!

ME? I have a nasty habit of throwing down as much as %50 of the bill! I rarely eat out but when I do, I make sure the staff is thanked and tipped very well.
I am the kind of guy that takes a twenty dollar cab ride and gives the driver 12 bucks for the service.

My three sisters all worked in the food service business so I KNOW how hard it can be to make ends meet.

Now I don't expect everyone to leave a huge tip but for some reason I can't help but to do that.

 

[tricolordad]

You advocate spitting (or worse) on peoples food, and you call me uppity? Succeed? I spent 47.5 years working for a living through two recessions and rough periods in the economy. I was out of work a total of three weeks. I'm retired, and I worked for every dime I have. I'm debt free, and never once cried to anyone else about how little I got tipped. Your light tippers probably paid you what you're worth. You need to pull yer head out of yer dark smelly (probably)place, quit pissin' and crying on the internet, and get yer sorry ass to work. You aren't gonna find a job thru this forum, now that any prospective employer here has experienced your attitude. Got news for ya clown, your size has no bearing at all on your abilities as a server. It's your demeanor and attitude that suck. Man up and quit yer bellyachin'.

By the way... who said I EVER under-tipped? Good service gets good tips, period. Did your $22,000 education teach you to read, or just make stuff up?

I'm sorry the world upsets you. The food industry has always been that way. It does not change just because Jay went to Red Lobster and knew it was an upper class full service restaurant yet only wanted to leave a $2 tip. These norms were set hundreds of years ago when these places first popped up. Deal with it. And yes, we do advocate it. When a cop pulls up to McDonalds and says "make it for a cop" what do you think your kids are doing?! Lol they're punishing him for talking down to them. Piss in the Mountain Dew, lettuce from the grease trap and onions from under the fryer. Keep undertipping your server, you get a little extra brought to you in your burger.

Like the old saying goes, "Never insult the chef," "don't forget to tip your waiter.

I can tell by the tone of your response what your tips are. When did I ever cry about the tips? I'm simply saying, you walk in there with your $300+ gun, 2 spare mags, $150 defensive flashlight, with god knows how many boxes of self defense ammo at home and expect full service, you better pay for it.

Like i said, you eat what you tip. Bon apetit!

 

[tricolordad]

no! the way the world works is you work for what you are worth, you deserve or are entitled to NOTHING! your biggest impediment in the working world appears to be you. It must have been an awful restaurant you were in to not make any tip money on a shift. maybe you noticed the high turnover there? that was because the better waitstaff would never work in a dump it appears that you must have been working in.

It is sad how people like you fall into the traps set up by a fast moving high paced world. I know that if you are older, unskilled in the modern workplace or handicapped in any way it is very very hard to fund a job.
I don't know how old you are, what skills you possess nor what field you are seeking employment in so it is difficult to offer advice, all I can offer is that you need a huge attitude adjustment, because that chip on your shoulder is very evident to anyone who you interview with, it even comes out in your written correspondence.

as for guns, if you need dough, now is a good time to be selling guns and ammo in order to raise funds.

First, there is no reason to ever sell a gun. Only idiots reduce their arsenal. Barking up the wrong tree. However, were I to think along your diluted lines, my guns are equity.

Second, make all the assumptions you like. I'm sorry you've been eating someone's spit, boogers, whatever. If you want full service, pay for it! Would you treat your own mother that way were she your server?

Third, I am more of a man than you will ever be. Your avatar says all anyone needs to know about you. "politically incorrect and proud of it." Suggests you like to rub people the wrong way because it gets you off. Claim it's a joke, but you'll be eating what you tip. You tip like sh!t, and that may be in the secret sauce.

 

[tricolordad]

I am very bad with tipping! My wife works out the tip down to the penny... Not a cent more!

ME? I have a nasty habit of throwing down as much as %50 of the bill! I rarely eat out but when I do, I make sure the staff is thanked and tipped very well.
I am the kind of guy that takes a twenty dollar cab ride and gives the driver 12 bucks for the service.

My three sisters all worked in the food service business so I KNOW how hard it can be to make ends meet.

Now I don't expect everyone to leave a huge tip but for some reason I can't help but to do that.

You seem to be a man who loves food! I overtip too.

When my wife has a hard time at work and we go somewhere that just lights her up, I'll sometimes drop a couple $20s because her smile is worth it.

 

[apvbguy]

I can tell by the tone of your response what your tips are. When did I ever cry about the tips? I'm simply saying, you walk in there with your $300+ gun with god knows how many boxes of self defense ammo at home and expect full service, you better pay for it.

Like i said, you eat what you tip. Bon apetit!

you are beginning to sound more and more like a troll, what does the cost of his gun have anything to do with the size of a tip he may leave?
I drive a mercedes does that mean that I should leave absurdly huge tips and if I don't I'm looked at as a piker?
and FWIW if anyone was carrying a $300 dollar gun I'd consider that to be a low end person, there aren't too many guns at that price point I'd trust with my life.

 

[apvbguy]

You seem to be a man who loves food! I overtip too.

When my wife has a hard time at work and we go somewhere that just lights her up, I'll sometimes drop a couple $20s because her smile is worth it.

yep, you're a troll!

 

[tricolordad]

FWIW if anyone was carrying a $300 dollar gun I'd consider that to be a low end person

That says it all about you.

 

[tricolordad]

yep, you're a troll!

Why, because I love my wife?

 

[apvbguy]

Why, because I love my wife?

because you claim to be broke yet you piss money away like water, you are either an idiot or a troll, either way it doesn't matter because I am done conversing with you

 

[The_Outlaw]

If someone decides to; spit, place boogers, tamper with someone elses food or beverage, that person deserves to have their nose smashed into their skulls.
There is NO excuse for such asinine behaviour imvho.

 

[tricolordad]

because you claim to be broke yet you piss money away like water, you are either an idiot or a troll, either way it doesn't matter because I am done conversing with you

Or i only go to those establishments when I have enough money in my pocket to pay for the full service? Think a little deeper.

Leave it to the wealthy to have no knowledge of the benefits of a working budget. And to be cheap.

 

[buddy]

This has been a great thread. Where else could I learn that Red Lobster is an upper class restaurant?

 

[Azimuth315]

As someone who made a decent living as a bartender for several years in my early adulthood I'd like to contribute to this discussion.
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Venue => Hotel w/ restaurant, bar/lounge w/entertainment, coffee shop -- fairly upscale clientelle.
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White shirt/black tie gold Dunhill. Tips that weren't heard when they hit the bar (paper). Started there in the early '70s for a buck (MOL) an hour. Worked that bar with another bartender from 5PM to 2AM (3AM after clean up and TIPs were split). Never took 1 thin dime from a waitress or waiter. Kept a clean bar, polished a lot of ashtrays and lit a lot of cigarettes. Mixed a decent martini / manhattan and any time a drink was "on me" a dollar bill was conspicuously taken from the tip jar and rung up.
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We ALL received decent TIPs because we EARNED them. Any service staff that didn't make decent TIPs wasn't earning them. They soon left of their own accord or due to the encouragement of the rest of the staff because they were damaging OUR reputation. A TIP is not a gift. A TIP is earned with professionalism, attention, and good service. TIP => To Insure Promptness.
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We ALL received decent TIPs in spite of the hammerheads and acers we all had to deal with. Those who flip quarters around like manhole covers run up a tab and stiff the tip, or attempt to sprint on the tab completely are part of the business and need to be dealt with. However contaminating any patron's food or drink is not acceptable.
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Any IGNOMINIOUS CRETIN who spat in any patron's food or drink would be fired as soon as the police arrived to arrest that MENACE for assault!
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With Respect to All (who have not earned disdain) -- Al

 

[mappow]

I recently went out to eat at an establishment, it was reasonably priced, had quality food and a diligent wait staff. I went to college for Hotel/Restaurant Management so I know how difficult the jobs are. Food service is typically the lowest paid job with the highest number of hours worked per employee.

People don't tip and management is supposed to make it legal. Most do not. In Wisconsin, minimum wage for a tipped position is $2.33 an hour. Servers typically work full time. In addition to that, most people will leave $1 for a $35 bill, which is not enough. On average, people in Wisconsin leave something like $1.50. Let's say that said server has 3 tables an hour. If the average dinner bill is $35 for the dinner rush and $25 for the lunch hour. On an 8 hour shift, the server made $2.33x8 which makes $18.64 BEFORE TAX. 3 tables an hour, puts it at $2.40 in tips per hour. The poor server only made $4.73 per hour for the lunch rush. Add in the 4 hours of dinner rush and the hourly rate jumps to $4.90 an hour. But there's another problem with that. Freqently, another employee, such as the hostess at Applebees, will rush in and clear the table and pocket the tip while your server is clearing the first table. Those tips simply "disappear." Also, up to half of you cheapos don't leave tips at all. You look for the slightest reason to not tip. Let's say Amber breaks eye contact has a grumpy look on her face. Maybe she just watched someone not leave a tip, maybe somebody just STOLE her tip, maybe her kid is sick and she was supposed to be off work 45 minutes ago and was told "stay or your're fired." Happens all the time.

Now let's take the servers wages, $4.73x4 + $4.90x4 =$38.52 minus 14% tax. You can damn well bet that management keeps tabs on the tips, even the ones they steal.

I ate at 3:30 yesterday. My bill was $38 something. I left a $6 tip. On the way out, I noticed my waitress with the hood of her car up. I was returning to I-94 a few hours later to head home and saw the waitress' car still there and that she was in the front seat. I turned around to help, turns out she was supposed to be off an hour before I arrived, was told to stay and didn't make enough to maintain her car and support her kid by herself and her engine seized due to a bad oil pump. I gave her $50 and took her home, she cried the whole way. She also told me that I was one of 3 people to leave her a tip and that she lost it all to taxes.

You walked in there with a gun on your hip. Guns aren't cheap, neither is the self defense ammo you load it with. Leave a damn tip. What if that was you? Your mother? Your wife? Your daughter?

Give good service or don't pretend to be in the service industry. We always tip 20% or better IF AND ONLY IF the service is good. Notice I did not say exceptional, merely good. Exceptional service garnishes better remuneration. Crappy service, crappy tip. We don't owe you nuttin unless you've worked for it. Gee, what a novel idea. Nuff said......

 

[dcselby1]

I know that I am going to be attacked unmercifully for posting this but enough is enough! I know I might appear to sound harsh but being told that I MUST tip 20% by restaurant workers is like caged mice demanding more cheese.

when did 20% become the norm?

15%-18% is what the norm should be for adequate service with a bit more given for exceptional service.

BTW the service staff's financial issues are not a reason to over tip.

If they aren't making the money that they need to exist maybe they need to tale steps to find employment that will offer higher wages.

Since when did a fifteen to eighteen percent tip become the "norm?" As I recall, I used to tip about 10% in the 60's. And no one "makes" anyone tip. For those few restaurants I've encountered who place the tip on the bill, (with the exception of parties after which I would normally tip more and save money with the 15%), I do not pay it, nor do I patronize that place again. Again, having worked for tips makes a BIG difference, thus I usually pay 20% UNLESS the service is inadequate.