Law Enforcement Officers And Concealed Carry.

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markjoy1213

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Kansas Is A Constitutional Carry State. Anyone Who Has A Legal Right To Carry Can Carry Open Or Concealed. I Ride A Motorcycle And Am Considering Starting To Carry My 9mm Pistol. If I Am Approached By Law Enforcement For Any Reason, Should I Inform Him/Her That I Am Armed? And If So, How? I Have Asked Several Officers This Question And Have Gotten Different Responses From Each One.
 
markjoy1213 said:
Kansas Is A Constitutional Carry State. Anyone Who Has A Legal Right To Carry Can Carry Open Or Concealed. I Ride A Motorcycle And Am Considering Starting To Carry My 9mm Pistol. If I Am Approached By Law Enforcement For Any Reason, Should I Inform Him/Her That I Am Armed? And If So, How? I Have Asked Several Officers This Question And Have Gotten Different Responses From Each One.
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Is Kansas a "must inform" state?

NEVER ask a cop for legal advise.
 
I used to debate this topic all over the Internet and I don't think I ever changed a single person's mind.

What generally happens is someone has a run in with a bad cop and decides they'll never make that mistake again.

I was pulled over by a State Trooper who went off on me because I didn't inform him(no legal requirement)I was armed. A few months later I read in the paper that he murdered his wife and killed himself in a domestic violence incident. You have no way of knowing what kind of person the cop you're interacting with is.

I really don't care if it makes the cop's life easier or that it makes him more comfortable that I automatically inform him I'm armed. It's in my best interests to maintain my boundaries and assert my Rights.

Consequently I never

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If the state you reside in requires that you inform while armed, do so. If your home state does NOT require notification, DONT OFFER IT!

Pretty simple.


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Eidolon said:
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Eidolon said:
I used to debate this topic all over the Internet and I don't think I ever changed a single person's mind.

What generally happens is someone has a run in with a bad cop and decides they'll never make that mistake again.

I was pulled over by a State Trooper who went off on me because I didn't inform him(no legal requirement)I was armed. A few months later I read in the paper that he murdered his wife and killed himself in a domestic violence incident. You have no way of knowing what kind of person the cop you're interacting with is.

I really don't care if it makes the cop's life easier or that it makes him more comfortable that I automatically inform him I'm armed. It's in my best interests to maintain my boundaries and assert my Rights.

Consequently I never

Volunteer information
Answer any question I'm not legally required to answer
Consent to a search.
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Agreed with everyone that states to follow inform laws. WA is not an inform state, so I do NOT inform.

Why Is The OP Written Like This?

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I take a different approach than some. Indiana has no requirement to inform. I have my Indiana Carry License behind my Driver's license and hand them both to the officer, fanning them so he can see both. If he feels compelled to ask questions, I don't argue, after all, I'm a law abiding citizen. I feel more comfortable with him knowing I carry so there are no surprises if he 'unexpectedly' discovers it. I'd rather face a calm response to my weapon than an excited reaction!
Yes there are 'bad' cops out there just as there are 'bad' people with guns but as we preach to the antis, don't judge all by the actions of the few.
In states with a requirement to inform handing both licenses/permits to the officer is a passive method without just blurting out that you have a gun.
 
Fireshot said:
I take a different approach than some. Indiana has no requirement to inform. I have my Indiana Carry License behind my Driver's license and hand them both to the officer, fanning them so he can see both. If he feels compelled to ask questions, I don't argue, after all, I'm a law abiding citizen. I feel more comfortable with him knowing I carry so there are no surprises if he 'unexpectedly' discovers it. I'd rather face a calm response to my weapon than an excited reaction!
Yes there are 'bad' cops out there just as there are 'bad' people with guns but as we preach to the antis, don't judge all by the actions of the few.
In states with a requirement to inform handing both licenses/permits to the officer is a passive method without just blurting out that you have a gun.
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Complete submission without even being ordered by his masters!
You have learned well.... Not!
 
Fireshot said:
I take a different approach than some. Indiana has no requirement to inform. I have my Indiana Carry License behind my Driver's license and hand them both to the officer, fanning them so he can see both. If he feels compelled to ask questions, I don't argue, after all, I'm a law abiding citizen. I feel more comfortable with him knowing I carry so there are no surprises if he 'unexpectedly' discovers it. I'd rather face a calm response to my weapon than an excited reaction!
Yes there are 'bad' cops out there just as there are 'bad' people with guns but as we preach to the antis, don't judge all by the actions of the few.
In states with a requirement to inform handing both licenses/permits to the officer is a passive method without just blurting out that you have a gun.
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No good can ever come from saying anything to a cop during an involuntary contact that you aren't required by law to say. By "say" I mean divulge, ID, answer a single question, talk to them like they're your buddies, whatever. If the law requires you to ID, then by all means, ID. If the law requires you inform if you're armed, by all means do it. If it doesn't require such things though, you are submitting to authority that the cop doesn't legitimately have when you volunteer your armed status, your name, your DoB, where you've been or where you're headed -- anything other than what's required by law.

Just because you flex your rights doesn't mean you're not still a law-abiding citizen. Questioning you when there's no reasonable articulable suspicion of you having committed or about to commit a crime is in fact the law-breaking going on, and that's on the cop, not on the citizen who won't submit to it. If they can't be at ease within the law that governs both them and the citizen they're contacting during a stop they initiated, then they or their command need to reevaluate how well-suited to the job they are (or aren't as the case may be).

Blues
 
The safest place for my gun is in the holster with nobody touching it. The best chances I have of it staying that way during an interaction with a police officer is to keep my mouth shut about it unless I am required by law to inform them. I will not invite them to fondle my gun by calling their attention to it because that is only placing myself and everyone around us in needless danger.
 
We had a Captain or Lieutenant with a Massachusetts PD tell us in our LTC course NOT to inform. It escalates the tension of a situation that could be a simple traffic stop.
 
wildcat1950 said:
Oh good grief!

He's not submitting to anything. He's making a choice based on what makes HIM the most comfortable.
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I'm sorry.... Are you his wife? Is there a particular reason you speak for him?

He is "peeing" down his leg in submission....

Grow a pair will ya!?
 
wildcat1950 said:
I'll be glad to reply as soon as you choose discuss as an adult rather than as a child.
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I'll agree that David could be a bit more relaxed in his presentations, but at the bottom line, he was right about Fireshot showing submission to cops for no good reason when he said, "If he feels compelled to ask questions, I don't argue, after all, I'm a law abiding citizen." There's not a lawyer worth the paper his law license is printed on who will tell anybody to submit to questioning by cops when the law doesn't require it. Equating being a law-abiding citizen to answering fishing-expedition questions is submission of the first order. You're of course right that it's his choice based on what makes him the most comfortable, but being submissive is not a mutually-exclusive idea to making decisions that makes one more comfortable.

Blues
 
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