Keep magazines loaded?

telpinaro

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I'm sure this has been asked before, but thanks to the idiot politicians and their dread of high-capacity magazines, I can't find it. I've heard it's bad to keep magazines loaded for an extended period of time, that it will weaken the springs. Is that true? The person I heard it from hasn't owned anything other than a rifle or shotgun in a while... and he still has the same ones he had as a kid! So, while knowledgeable he's a little out of date. I'm just wanting to keep a loaded gun both upstairs and downstairs in quick access safes, and I only have one revolver. And clearly there's no way to get an intruder to wait while I load up a magazine!
 
Today's modern mag springs are designed to be stored under pressure. Emptying & recharging a magazine will do more to weaken the spring than keeping the mag charged all the time.
 
Today's modern mag springs are designed to be stored under pressure. Emptying & recharging a magazine will do more to weaken the spring than keeping the mag charged all the time.

Had a feeling that would be the case... lot of cool new stuff in the last 15-20 years. Thanks!
 
Keeping them loaded will not harm them... repeated use will eventually weaken them, though. I store about 95% of all my various mags loaded, have for years... they all still work fine.
 
Keeping them loaded will not harm them... repeated use will eventually weaken them, though. I store about 95% of all my various mags loaded, have for years... they all still work fine.

Yep, all true. It's the loading/unloading that eventually weakens them. This question has been asked on many firearms forums. :smile:
 
Yep, all true. It's the loading/unloading that eventually weakens them. This question has been asked on many firearms forums. :smile:

I knew it had to have been asked before, but all I came up with was "magazine ban!" or "magpul's leaving colorado!" or even "where to buy!" lol

Thanks everyone :happy:
 
Today's modern mag springs are designed to be stored under pressure. Emptying & recharging a magazine will do more to weaken the spring than keeping the mag charged all the time.

I hate to disagree, but I must add my own .02 cents on this topic...
My own personal experience is the opposite of what you (and others) have stated on this particular subject.

Case in point;

I have carried Glock's (almost exclusively) for many years now.
I moved from California to Texas about 7 years ago and during that move I boxed up some of my fully loaded Glock 19 magazines during the big move and kind of forgot about them as they sat stored inside the taped up box for over 6 years straight.
When I finally re-opened up the box and saw the two Glock 19 magazines (still fully loaded) I decided to unload them both and check them for any malfunctions. Both magazines ended up being non-reliable imvho. The spring's in both magazine's had clearly weakened over those 6 years of being left fully loaded.
I have since replaced both spring's and they are now as good as new.
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.
 
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.

I only have two right now (new gun, only came with two), but obviously I plan on getting more. Maybe I'll keep a couple loaded with self-defense ammo, then every so often "unload" them at the range and switch out. It's a M&P Shield, if anyone knows anything about the reliability of their magazines.
 
Heard this from an instructor from Sig. He asked the Sig metallurgists this question. They told him the constant use wears the spring not being stored compressed. In your case maybe they can be stored for 5 yrs 10mos. not 6 yrs before they get like well used magazines. There was no mention of how long they are stored before they degrade.
Six yrs, wonder if the ammo was also good. :laugh:
 
I hate to disagree, but I must add my own .02 cents on this topic...
My own personal experience is the opposite of what you (and others) have stated on this particular subject.

Case in point;

I have carried Glock's (almost exclusively) for many years now.
I moved from California to Texas about 7 years ago and during that move I boxed up some of my fully loaded Glock 19 magazines during the big move and kind of forgot about them as they sat stored inside the taped up box for over 6 years straight.
When I finally re-opened up the box and saw the two Glock 19 magazines (still fully loaded) I decided to unload them both and check them for any malfunctions. Both magazines ended up being non-reliable imvho. The spring's in both magazine's had clearly weakened over those 6 years of being left fully loaded.
I have since replaced both spring's and they are now as good as new.
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.

Hey Outlaw, not challenging your personal experience, just trying to understand and square it with my own experiences.

How was the box that the mags were in stored, in a climate-controlled environment (like inside the house) or not (like the garage or a storage unit)? Reason I ask is that if it was a place that it was exposed to that stifling Texas heat for six long years, there's a good chance that it wasn't the pressure from being loaded that made the spring(s) weak, but the springs' heat-treating being (even slightly) annealed over that long a time of extended periods of exposure to heat.

If it was a leaf-spring or some other kind of heavier base metal with a spring temper, certainly ambient heat wouldn't be adequate to anneal it. But magazine springs being as thin as they are could conceivably be made softer (annealed) by ambient temperatures, especially in hot climes like Texas (or Alabama too!).

If they were inside the house or otherwise kept relatively cool, then nevermind. In that case, I guess we'll just have to chalk it up to an anomaly, because in good quality firearms (which Glocks certainly qualify), that maintains good quality control in their manufacturing processes, heat treating technologies are so close in tolerances to specs that manufacturers have next to no liabilities in recommending storing springs under pressure if that's how they designed them to function, and with mags, that is how they are designed. The only caveat that I would offer is if the weapon(s)/mags being discussed are of the "disposable" variety. In other words, cheaply-made, low tolerances (if any) adhered to in the manufacturing processes.

To telpinaro, in almost every case, you can leave your mags loaded almost indefinitely, assuming that you would at least take them shooting every now and again.

Blues
 
I hate to disagree, but I must add my own .02 cents on this topic...
My own personal experience is the opposite of what you (and others) have stated on this particular subject.

Case in point;

I have carried Glock's (almost exclusively) for many years now.
I moved from California to Texas about 7 years ago and during that move I boxed up some of my fully loaded Glock 19 magazines during the big move and kind of forgot about them as they sat stored inside the taped up box for over 6 years straight.
When I finally re-opened up the box and saw the two Glock 19 magazines (still fully loaded) I decided to unload them both and check them for any malfunctions. Both magazines ended up being non-reliable imvho. The spring's in both magazine's had clearly weakened over those 6 years of being left fully loaded.
I have since replaced both spring's and they are now as good as new.
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.

No problem Outlaw. I can't say about springs loaded six years. I usually empty all my additional mags at the range after a year or so just to make sure they are still functioning properly. My carry & HD mags usually see quite a bit more use than my stored mags do and I do rotate them through after about 6mo or a year as well. (I haven't had any problems so far.)

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Heard this from an instructor from Sig. He asked the Sig metallurgists this question. They told him the constant use wears the spring not being stored compressed. In your case maybe they can be stored for 5 yrs 10mos. not 6 yrs before they get like well used magazines. There was no mention of how long they are stored before they degrade.
Six yrs, wonder if the ammo was also good. :laugh:

I am not an expert metallurgist so I will not even attempt to argue the science of metal degradation with anyone.
However, I am truthfully sharing my own experience's with you folks on this topic of keeping magazine's loaded for extended period's.
Please take it for whatever it's worth (no hard feeling's either way).

As far as the ammo was concerned, Other than a bit of greenish colored residue on the very top round (probably from the leather magazine pouch) the ammo (Federal Hydra-Shok's) worked just fine.
I fired them all off at the local sooting range with no problem's.

To answer Blues Stringer's question...

The cardboard box with the stored magazine's was being kept inside the not-so-properly-insulated-garage.
So the box (although kept dry) was exposed to both very cold (winter) and hot (summer) temps. for quite awhile.
I don't know if the varying cold & hot weather fluctuation's had anything to do with the weakening of the spring's, but I guess it probably could have.
 
I hate to disagree, but I must add my own .02 cents on this topic...
My own personal experience is the opposite of what you (and others) have stated on this particular subject.

Case in point;

I have carried Glock's (almost exclusively) for many years now.
I moved from California to Texas about 7 years ago and during that move I boxed up some of my fully loaded Glock 19 magazines during the big move and kind of forgot about them as they sat stored inside the taped up box for over 6 years straight.
When I finally re-opened up the box and saw the two Glock 19 magazines (still fully loaded) I decided to unload them both and check them for any malfunctions. Both magazines ended up being non-reliable imvho. The spring's in both magazine's had clearly weakened over those 6 years of being left fully loaded.
I have since replaced both spring's and they are now as good as new.
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.

After reading this several times, I've found the underlying issue...

IT'S A GLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!


LMAO... just fooling with ya Outlaw, heh.
 
Here's the deal, in my mind. It doesn't really matter unless you are loading and unloading the magazine constantly without shooting and a valid reason to unload it. Let's say you shoot 10 magazines full of ammo at the range. The magazine should get loaded and emptied 10 times out of necessity, right? Anything you can do to lessen the wear on the magazine spring there? NO. You have to load the magazine to shoot the ammo. Now, for your carry magazine. You have two choices....you can leave it loaded all the time, or you can unload the magazine whenever you are going to store it. If you carry every day the gun should not be stored for more than 8-12 hours and you want it loaded when you carry it. So what is going to do more to weaken the spring in that instance? Flexing the spring by unloading and loading the magazine every night/morning? Or just leaving it loaded overnight, every night. Take a piece of stiff wire, like a wire coat hangar and flex it and leave it flexed. How long does it take to break? Years? Decades? Now take that wire and flex and release it over and over again. Breaks a lot sooner, doesn't it?

So, I would say that the most harm you can do to a magazine spring is to unload it and reload it without there being a reason to. If it is a range magazine, just toss it in the range bag unloaded at the end of the day, and load it up before the next time you are going to shoot it. If it is a magazine for your carry gun - just leave it loaded, whether or not leaving it loaded is going to weaken the spring - cycling the spring is certainly, 100% going to wear it out faster.
 
I hate to disagree, but I must add my own .02 cents on this topic...
My own personal experience is the opposite of what you (and others) have stated on this particular subject.

Case in point;

I have carried Glock's (almost exclusively) for many years now.
I moved from California to Texas about 7 years ago and during that move I boxed up some of my fully loaded Glock 19 magazines during the big move and kind of forgot about them as they sat stored inside the taped up box for over 6 years straight.
When I finally re-opened up the box and saw the two Glock 19 magazines (still fully loaded) I decided to unload them both and check them for any malfunctions. Both magazines ended up being non-reliable imvho. The spring's in both magazine's had clearly weakened over those 6 years of being left fully loaded.
I have since replaced both spring's and they are now as good as new.
I always rotate my magazine's every 6 months or so nowaday's and have not had anymore problems since.

Outlaw, you know I respect you and your comments on this forum. However, metal weakens more when it is stretched and compressed. Had you been doing that to these mags over those six years, I guarantee they would have given you problems much sooner.

I have to applaud your comment on rotating magazines. Personally, I take every one of my magazines out when I go to the range. I use a silver Sharpie and mark them #1, #2, etc. This way if I keep getting the same type of problems from the same mag, I know to replace its springs.

However, I digress... my personal opinion on this topic is to keep extra springs handy. Springs are relatively inexpensive and if you are using your mags like I mentioned at the range you will know immediately if replacing them was the reason for a bad feed.

From a tactical perspective an empty mag at home is rather useless. A full mag could save your life.

Therefore Telpinaro, even IF a full mag caused problems with the spring, is it worth it not to store your mags full?


EDIT: Dude, you had them in your garage? :eek: Yes, the differing temperatures most definitely would have had an adverse effect on a compressed spring. The metal will expand and contract which will shorten its effective lifespan. At least your ammo was good. Rock on!
 
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From what I have read about modern springs is what many have already said, that it should not be a problem.
 

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