Just how quik are you

[Rocketgeezer]

Some friends and I last week at a outdoor range decided to settle a little debate that been going on for some time and WILL NEVER EVER END, whats better concealed or open carry? we all agree that each has a place, but given the unexpected situation in which case would be able to bring your weapon to bear faster from a concealed or open position, there were six of us, and we were all timed with one of those little beeper/timers, we all tried several times, and we all used different concealed places, the open test's were from OWB holster's on strong side, and when we were done we all were between 3-6 tenths of a second slower when drawing from concealed........now I'm not trying to stir stuff up again, as I OP, but to those who do conceal all the time, if you insist or bound by regulations to conceal, dry practice pulling your weapon no matter where its stashed, your life may depend on it one day

 

[telpinaro]

Sounds like a fun day! I'm actually surprised the difference wasn't greater...

 

[Sharpshooter207]

Carrying Texan here. We're only allowed to conceal carry. I'm lucky enough to have a tactical range near me that allows draw from conceal, rapid fire, shooting from unorthodox positions, etc. I'm out there an hour or two per week, most of which is spent with my primary carry.

 

[Rocketgeezer]

Sounds like a fun day! I'm actually surprised the difference wasn't greater...

Yea that's what we all thought, but we did practice a bunch, pulling from concealed, never did ck it right off the bat, but on the other hand if we had practiced pulling from the open holster we may have picked up a tenth or two, one thing that did get done that day we got one dude to quit ankle carry, part way through the testing, we and he realized by the time he got his pant leg up and gun out he may be dead, he would not OP so he seem to do ok with a IWB rig, what we did prove to ourselves anyhow was no matter how you conceal carry whenever you have to lift your shirt, open a jacket, or even do a cross draw from a open shirt, or reach in a pocket in your heavy jacket or cargo pants, it take more time than if in the open in a OWB belt holster, however as Mr Sharpshooter said if your bound by regulations that you must conceal, then by all means practice pulling from your preferred conceal position, but please do practice dry, we don't want to lose anybody

 

[Sharpshooter207]

Not to sound rude, Rocket, but why would I practice dry if I have a "hot" range that lets me run live ammunition from concealment? Train like you fight. I don't fight with an empty gun.

 

[telpinaro]

Not to sound rude, Rocket, but why would I practice dry if I have a "hot" range that lets me run live ammunition from concealment? Train like you fight. I don't fight with an empty gun.

To get the hang of a new position first, maybe. I'll be doing that when my new ankle holster comes in. (Yes, I know, terrible draw. But much better than leaving it at home! I'm not much for "girly," but I still like to be pretty on occasion. :smile: The debate begins... ankle vs. purse...)

 

[JCliff]

Not to sound rude, Rocket, but why would I practice dry if I have a "hot" range that lets me run live ammunition from concealment? Train like you fight. I don't fight with an empty gun.

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Do you fire 3 or 4 thousand rounds per month? Dry fire practice is one of the most effective and economic ways of practicing many firearm handling skills, and it costs virtually nothing but whatever time you want to put into it. Drawing, presenting, malfunction drills, reloading drills, trigger control drills, can be practiced correctly almost anywhere at any time. You can use a mirror and self-correct obvious errors. You can time yourself. Dry practice complements live fire practice, and will make your live fire practice better. Even if you're firing hundreds of rounds every day, and practicing all these things every time you do, you will not necessarily be any better than someone who conducts dry fire practice daily and live fire drills regularly. Every firearms training program or school I've ever been to incorporated dry fire practice (and a fair amount of it at that) into their training programs.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I can draw and fire in 0.084 seconds...If you're slower than that your a statistic...

All seriousness...

Did you guys try one handed draws?

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[Sharpshooter207]

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Do you fire 3 or 4 thousand rounds per month? Dry fire practice is one of the most effective and economic ways of practicing many firearm handling skills, and it costs virtually nothing but whatever time you want to put into it. Drawing, presenting, malfunction drills, reloading drills, trigger control drills, can be practiced correctly almost anywhere at any time. You can use a mirror and self-correct obvious errors. You can time yourself. Dry practice complements live fire practice, and will make your live fire practice better. Even if you're firing hundreds of rounds every day, and practicing all these things every time you do, you will not necessarily be any better than someone who conducts dry fire practice daily and live fire drills regularly. Every firearms training program or school I've ever been to incorporated dry fire practice (and a fair amount of it at that) into their training programs.

I'm not discounting the merit of dry-fire drills. I was responding to the insinuation made by Rocket (i.e. "please do practice dry, we don't want to lose anybody"). It sounded like he was saying that live fire drawing was irresponsible. I dry-fire every day, and practice my live-fire drills every week. Dry-fire is the best way to drill muscle memory, but nothing is quite as good as the real thing. That's all I'm saying.

 

[wolf_fire]

I can draw and fire in 0.084 seconds...If you're slower than that your a statistic...

All seriousness...

Did you guys try one handed draws?

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Are you sure you didn't mean 0.84 seconds? A blink of an eye can be 300 milliseconds (0.300 seconds) and most people's reaction times are between 250-350 milliseconds (0.250-0.350 s).

 

[Firefighterchen]

Are you sure you didn't mean 0.84 seconds? A blink of an eye can be 300 milliseconds (0.300 seconds) and most people's reaction times are between 250-350 milliseconds (0.250-0.350 s).

I don't have time to blink.

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[mappow]

Soooo, if you train to draw and shoot. Can I assume that if you are at the point that you draw, you will shoot? I train this way, always have over the last thirty years or so.
My last act of defense will be engagement. Some on this web site think I should talk the perp down. Yeah, right. Touchy-Feely comes with a toe tag. If I engage it'll be the last option I have. I do not train for take downs, I do train for eliminating the threat.

 

[Axeanda45]

I am waiting for APV to show up and tell us how many perps he can shoot before they have a chance to change their mind about attacking..... in less than 1/2 a microsecond.....


My guess is 3.....

 

[wolf_fire]

I don't have time to blink.

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So what you are saying is that you can draw, aim and shoot three times faster than what most people's reaction times are... not drawing and shooting times, but reaction times. I'm not calling you out, but that's unheard of. I think you have the decimal in the wrong place. You are ten times faster than the fastest people I test if your statement is correct.

Bob Munden, guiness book record fastest draw, has a time of .208 s... you claim 0.084 seconds. So you are 2.5 times faster than the fastest man recorded. That's impressive. :wink:

 

[Firefighterchen]

So what you are saying is that you can draw, aim and shoot three times faster than what most people's reaction times are... not drawing and shooting times, but reaction times. I'm not calling you out, but that's unheard of. I think you have the decimal in the wrong place. You are ten times faster than the fastest people I test if your statement is correct.

Bob Munden, guiness book record fastest draw, has a time of .208 s... you claim 0.084 seconds. So you are 2.5 times faster than the fastest man recorded. That's impressive. :wink:

Well...you need to account for the response time in the electrical circuitry in a timer..so it's actually probably more like 25 times faster than everything...

Most of the time the bad guy is dead before the neuron has even registered the A in OODA...

I have one of those smart guns...I set it up to start shooting full auto immediately after it clears the holster. No need to waste time pulling the trigger when I can start shooting like a robot.

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[BluesStringer]

To get the hang of a new position first, maybe. I'll be doing that when my new ankle holster comes in. (Yes, I know, terrible draw. But much better than leaving it at home! I'm not much for "girly," but I still like to be pretty on occasion. :smile: The debate begins... ankle vs. purse...)

I thought the debate was ankle vs. thigh. I mean, I've always thought thighs were much prettier than the inside of a purse. Heck, I think thighs are prettier than most things, and didn't you just spend some time and money making yours prettier than most other thighs? :biggrin:

 

[telpinaro]

I thought the debate was ankle vs. thigh. I mean, I've always thought thighs were much prettier than the inside of a purse. Heck, I think thighs are prettier than most things, and didn't you just spend some time and money making yours prettier than most other thighs? :biggrin:

As a matter of fact, I did! (Not to mention lots of pain...) And I have the pretty lacy thigh holster to go with it. :biggrin:

Ankle is for long dresses... lots of fabric to go through to get to thigh, though that might be another type of bad-guy-deterring-distraction I should consider! Think it would work? :wink:

 

[BluesStringer]

As a matter of fact, I did! (Not to mention lots of pain...) And I have the pretty lacy thigh holster to go with it. :biggrin:

Ankle is for long dresses... lots of fabric to go through to get to thigh, though that might be another type of bad-guy-deterring-distraction I should consider! Think it would work? :wink:

Well, it couldn't hurt....at least no more than vines of rose bushes wrapped around your thighs! HA!

 

[Firefighterchen]

OP did you try one handed drawing? Reactionary hand draw (simulate injury)?

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[ventman]

84 one-thousands of a second?

C'mon.