archangel1911a1
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As difficult as it is to say, particularly as a 57 year -old American who used to put his squirrel rifle in his school locker in the morning [along with several other kids in central Indiana], there are some instances in this country today where firearm owners need to be regulated.
Now, I know what Ben said about freedom and safety, and I agree. It's just that I think it may be proper to FORCE some safety OVER freedom for some of our populace, who may not have been given the opportunity to comprehend freedom. Or, are natural idiots. There ARE a few folks who should turn on red lights at every LEO 'pooter from Palm Springs to Palm Beach when they try to buy a weapon.
You know, it never even occurred to us to shoot each other in those long-lost, white-washed, endless school winters, and believe me, there were several of us that brought the world, and one another, no joyous favors, ever. Several that GOT shot, in the end [but usually over a Janice, a Tiffany, or a Pam, sometimes ten years out, when each day is another life sentence at the carpet store].
Our fathers, brave George, genius Tom, and that damned, beloved Adams [thumping his books] were ONLY about freedom. Willing to have their heads chopped right off. Willing to sign a document saying that, if things went south, they would do the time, 'cause they had done the crime.
Please remember that if George and Tom and Ben and John had not won, they would have been tried [and executed - no question] for treason, as war criminals.
However, they could not have believed in the possibility of a 30 round magazine in a handgun, or a mile-and-a-half rifle, any more than you can envision what it felt like to sleep at night in 1863 Alabama in August: Woolen union suit, and not a lot of A.C. [Really - think about it, there in your comfy recliner].
[By the way, I used 'Bama cause I'm moving there in the next month. Which means I'm Texas born, Kentucky bred, and when I die, I'll be 'Bama dead.]
If I see a young man walking down the street with a Ruger 10/.22 slung over his shoulder on a country road in Indiana today, I see a squirrel or squeal-pig hunter. If I see that same young man in downtown Indy, I see a really bad place to hang around and try to discuss the values of the YMCA.
It's this, I guess, that I am tryin' to get to:
It should be that fathers and mothers bear the vastly nefarious offense if their kid walks into a building with dad's Glock, a bad 'tude, and a magazine that holds 6,437 cartridges. Parents, you SHOULD know who you are.
I can claim some experience when I say that if you can't get it done with seven or eight shots, you are probably trying to work above your pay-grade.
"Shall Issue" permits, for those who could not pass a simple background check for "crazy", "meth-addict" or " child-molester", must be a thing of the past.
Old Bob Heinlein, the greatest sci-fi writer ever [admit it] believed in fighting [with weapons] for the right to vote. I agree with that. I also agree with him about fighting through training requirements, educational tests, experience, and wide evaluation for the right to be a member of the American Franchise, and carry weapons.
I know the "Domino" theory. But that turned out to be crap in the political arena [look up "Vietnam War" on Wikipedia:
{Pssst: -it was started by a bunch of old men who had the crabs too many times, and it was never a war, and nobody won anything, and I got trench foot like a black truffel, which I scraped at anew every time we had a place to sit down and look out our back door, and I still get the chills even though they say the Trips are dead}],
and I think it's crap in the firearms community. If you are a sane, CC-registered American citizen, I think you believe in keeping things tight. Nobody on this forum could be willing to be responsible for another school kid in the news, unless he threw a fifty yard pass with a broken ankle. I HOPE no one on this forum believes in "unilmited" weapons rights. Cause if you do, a serious matter of conscience will be upon you.
And that right quick.
I think tight and responsible means: permit required, background check required, no criminal or psychotic history allowed. Those things just make immutable sense, and argument is futile.
It really is true that only the sane and honest people apply for permits, and only the REALLY honest ones admit they had a bout of depression in their past. Those folks are at least as safe as cops, if they have taken the time to learn the proper use of their tools.
What do YOU think?
-S
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Now, I know what Ben said about freedom and safety, and I agree. It's just that I think it may be proper to FORCE some safety OVER freedom for some of our populace, who may not have been given the opportunity to comprehend freedom. Or, are natural idiots. There ARE a few folks who should turn on red lights at every LEO 'pooter from Palm Springs to Palm Beach when they try to buy a weapon.
You know, it never even occurred to us to shoot each other in those long-lost, white-washed, endless school winters, and believe me, there were several of us that brought the world, and one another, no joyous favors, ever. Several that GOT shot, in the end [but usually over a Janice, a Tiffany, or a Pam, sometimes ten years out, when each day is another life sentence at the carpet store].
Our fathers, brave George, genius Tom, and that damned, beloved Adams [thumping his books] were ONLY about freedom. Willing to have their heads chopped right off. Willing to sign a document saying that, if things went south, they would do the time, 'cause they had done the crime.
Please remember that if George and Tom and Ben and John had not won, they would have been tried [and executed - no question] for treason, as war criminals.
However, they could not have believed in the possibility of a 30 round magazine in a handgun, or a mile-and-a-half rifle, any more than you can envision what it felt like to sleep at night in 1863 Alabama in August: Woolen union suit, and not a lot of A.C. [Really - think about it, there in your comfy recliner].
[By the way, I used 'Bama cause I'm moving there in the next month. Which means I'm Texas born, Kentucky bred, and when I die, I'll be 'Bama dead.]
If I see a young man walking down the street with a Ruger 10/.22 slung over his shoulder on a country road in Indiana today, I see a squirrel or squeal-pig hunter. If I see that same young man in downtown Indy, I see a really bad place to hang around and try to discuss the values of the YMCA.
It's this, I guess, that I am tryin' to get to:
It should be that fathers and mothers bear the vastly nefarious offense if their kid walks into a building with dad's Glock, a bad 'tude, and a magazine that holds 6,437 cartridges. Parents, you SHOULD know who you are.
I can claim some experience when I say that if you can't get it done with seven or eight shots, you are probably trying to work above your pay-grade.
"Shall Issue" permits, for those who could not pass a simple background check for "crazy", "meth-addict" or " child-molester", must be a thing of the past.
Old Bob Heinlein, the greatest sci-fi writer ever [admit it] believed in fighting [with weapons] for the right to vote. I agree with that. I also agree with him about fighting through training requirements, educational tests, experience, and wide evaluation for the right to be a member of the American Franchise, and carry weapons.
I know the "Domino" theory. But that turned out to be crap in the political arena [look up "Vietnam War" on Wikipedia:
{Pssst: -it was started by a bunch of old men who had the crabs too many times, and it was never a war, and nobody won anything, and I got trench foot like a black truffel, which I scraped at anew every time we had a place to sit down and look out our back door, and I still get the chills even though they say the Trips are dead}],
and I think it's crap in the firearms community. If you are a sane, CC-registered American citizen, I think you believe in keeping things tight. Nobody on this forum could be willing to be responsible for another school kid in the news, unless he threw a fifty yard pass with a broken ankle. I HOPE no one on this forum believes in "unilmited" weapons rights. Cause if you do, a serious matter of conscience will be upon you.
And that right quick.
I think tight and responsible means: permit required, background check required, no criminal or psychotic history allowed. Those things just make immutable sense, and argument is futile.
It really is true that only the sane and honest people apply for permits, and only the REALLY honest ones admit they had a bout of depression in their past. Those folks are at least as safe as cops, if they have taken the time to learn the proper use of their tools.
What do YOU think?
-S
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