I've just be wondering

Lamebone

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Just been wondering lately why it is that a police officer can point their gun at a suspected criminal and there is no problem. But we could not do the same just wanting to know scruples thoughts on this. I mean I was about 8 or 9 year old when police in Medford, Or jumped my back gate came in the back door pointed there guns at me and threatened to shoot my dog all because someone called and said someone was braking into my home because my brother and I and forgot to close the garage door when we went to bed? Ok well got a little off track there but had to rant.
 

Umm.. because the police are, oh.. I dunno.. the POLICE? Maybe. I mean, I'm just sayin'.

This all happened when you were 8 or 9 and you're ranting about it now? How old are you now? 10 or 11?

3 words for ya... grammar and spell check.
 
How about the fact that police are licensed/commissioned, and trained to handle this situation and we are not! Leave law enforcment to the pros and worry about just protecting yourself and your loved ones.
 
Officer shooting a Family pet

If this was to happen, you can sue that officer and the entire Dept. There was a Csae recently where an officer shot a family pet, and the family was awarded $500,000 Dollars. The officer broke the owners 4th Amendment Right among others. Most LEO's have no clue of our Rights, they pin on a Badge and are told to go and generate revenue. Maybe a course on Constitutional Rights need to be mandatory? As a matter of fact, this would probably weed out unqualified officers? Pin a badge on some and all common sense goes out the window.
 
A couple years back i was stopped for speading, i was in the wrong i was speading. The state police officer came up to the truck and saw my empty holsters on the dash. He drew his gun pointed at me and started yelling where are the guns. I tried my best to stay calm arms out the window and explain. After 5 minutes he made it to my window and grabed my handsan cuffed me. After i had told of my permit to carry , which did not matter to him. He checked my permit gave me a ticket, then told me the empty holsters were a good way to get shot. This was the same officer who had just come back from unpaid leave for harrasing a fellow gun enthusiest. I got a letter a couple days later to appear at a hearing against him, he was forced to retire. I still give total respect to a officer until he prives otherwise, then i let his superiors handle him .
 
If this was to happen, you can sue that officer and the entire Dept. There was a Csae recently where an officer shot a family pet, and the family was awarded $500,000 Dollars. The officer broke the owners 4th Amendment Right among others. Most LEO's have no clue of our Rights, they pin on a Badge and are told to go and generate revenue. Maybe a course on Constitutional Rights need to be mandatory? As a matter of fact, this would probably weed out unqualified officers? Pin a badge on some and all common sense goes out the window.

Most people today don't know and practice their rights and that's why they get stepped on. Many cops just do what they need to to defuse a situation then let the biased and controlled revenue enhancing court system deal with actual laws and rights. Then once again it is up to the individual to know how to deal with the court since common law went out the window long ago and we now operate under commercial/maritime law.
 
If this was to happen, you can sue that officer and the entire Dept. There was a Csae recently where an officer shot a family pet, and the family was awarded $500,000 Dollars. The officer broke the owners 4th Amendment Right among others. Most LEO's have no clue of our Rights, they pin on a Badge and are told to go and generate revenue. Maybe a course on Constitutional Rights need to be mandatory? As a matter of fact, this would probably weed out unqualified officers? Pin a badge on some and all common sense goes out the window.


Cite please?.........
 
To the OP:

Are you asking why police are allowed to brandish? Brandishing in it's definition is not something a police officer can/would do. Now I am not an officer, but I would think an officer that is drawing their firearm to intimidate or threaten is wrong, and that they draw their firearm when it's only absolutely necessary to stop a violent crime. We as civilians are allowed to do this as well...except usually it is much more unexpected, a lot faster, and ends with the firearm being discharged.

If you have a reason to draw, then draw. Whether or not your fire is up to what happens after the firearm is in play and what the situation calls for. Exact same thing for police officers, they are just in that situation more than a civilian is.
 
to walt629

Thank you very much for pointing out my grammar and spelling. It is kind of funny to me now that I had time to slow down and read it. It does make me look very uneducated. I guess that's what I get for rushing a post at work. I can say that at least one of my miss spelling was due to the auto spell on my phone. Stupid smart phones! To your question about my age I am 27. For some reason the original question just made me think of that interaction when I was young so I just went with it. I am also pretty sure that this form was not around when I was 9 or 10 so I did not have to option to rant on here at that time. Sorry my mistake.
 
Too firefighterchan.
That is really what I was getting at. Thank you for putting it in the words that you did. It does make much more since that way.

It was really a question just to get peoples thoughts. It was not a question I wanted answerd because this is something that I want to do as I believe some people were thinking.


Thank you to everyone who had something to say. We can always take something away from what others have to say good or bad.
 
A short answer; When the police draw and point their firearm at a person they are do so to 1.) defend themselves [or other persons] from the use of physical or deadly physical force. 2.) They have reasonable cause to believe a crime is about to be, is being or has been committed by the person they are pointing their firearm at. Every agency I know specifies that the crime has to be one suspected of or actually involving a weapon or some type of violent felony or misdemeanor. When a police officer draws and points his firearm, he has "constitutionally seized" [a fancy phrase for arrest] that person.

You can draw and point your firearm at a person under the same circumstances in (1) and hold him for the police if you have a reason to believe he is about to use deadly physical force against you, or he has committed in fact a felony in your presence. If he stops and surrenders you have "seized" him. You have just made a citizens arrest and when the police arrive you hand the perp over to them and fill out the arrest paperwork. If he runs away, you can't shoot him [no longer a threat] but you must call the local PD and explain the situation to them, as I'm sure most states have some sort of notification requirement if you draw your firearm for defensive purposes.
 
Thank you very much for pointing out my grammar and spelling. It is kind of funny to me now that I had time to slow down and read it. It does make me look very uneducated. I guess that's what I get for rushing a post at work. I can say that at least one of my miss spelling was due to the auto spell on my phone. Stupid smart phones! To your question about my age I am 27. For some reason the original question just made me think of that interaction when I was young so I just went with it. I am also pretty sure that this form was not around when I was 9 or 10 so I did not have to option to rant on here at that time. Sorry my mistake.

I hope you didn't think I was being harsh. Recently there seems to be more Troll entries than normal. Most have the 'little kid' indicators to them. No problem. Rant on when necessary, it is an open board.
 
Police breakdown wrong doors more often than they would like to admit. But if you shoot one thinking it is a criminal breaking in, you become the criminal.
 

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