it's not about how recently you've practiced, or the number of rds you've fired

[hotti]

(in this past year). It's about how fast you are, inside 5 yds, and whether or not you have h2h ability when the attacker is at arm's length (and you are not already pumping lead into his chest) Or if the attack does not (yet at least) justify a lethal response (drunken,unarmed woman, old man or small teenager) Very few people are truly fast enough with their gun and their first and repeat hits. The stuff starts at 10ft, or less, and if you don't do something really effective in about 1 second flat, luck will be the main determinant of the outcome, not your (too slow) "accuracy".

For instance, as an informal way test speed and accuracy, can you (reliably) toss up a soda can with the hand that clears your concealing garment, draw and hit that can while it's still in the air? This is not that difficult a "test" of ccw draw speed and hitting ability, but 99% of cops and ccw civilians can't pass it. The main trick is to toss the can almost straight up, it should fall less than 6 ft from your feet. hitting a 2"x5" target, 5 ft from the muzzle (typical distance) is the same thing as hitting a 10"x24" torso, at 25 ft.

If you can't hit the can, you can't hit the torso, either. Geometry proves that. People don't typically just stand there, fully exposed, and let you shoot them, either. The moving can, falls at a given rate and in a known direction (unlike people in combat), is mostly just a timing device. It never fails that people who hate the idea of such a test are those who KNOW that they can't pass it, and who aint going to put in the effort to build their speed and accuracy to be this good, even.

 

[Treo]

To parphrase Bruce Lee "Soda cans don't shoot back"

 

[Cotillion]

So what you're saying is, if I can't shoot a falling can I can't shoot a person? Interesting, I guess I can stop lugging this gun around with me

 

[Firefighterchen]

So what you're saying is, if I can't shoot a falling can I can't shoot a person? Interesting, I guess I can stop lugging this gun around with me

I think it's more of the other way around. If you can confidently hit a falling can, you can probably hit a torso. They did do something similar to it on the show Top Shot.

 

[ti02]

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I learned to fly helicopters by watching airwolf...

One thing I learned after x amount of years of training... no test will measure ability of anything but passing that test. The one mentioned here appears tricky but with enough practice could be done just like anything else. I fail to see the point the OP is getting at but I like the idea of that test. Its similar to placing a glass on a shelf with a piece of cardboard and an egg on top. Take the cardboard out from under the egg and with the other hand grab the egg before it falls into the glass. A measure of speed and dexterity. Practice is good. Just remenber the crawl walk run method. Start slow and perfect. Speed up maintaining the same level of account accuracy and precision (there's a difference between the two)

 

[hotti]

if you aint that fast and accurate, only luck is going to save you, cause you aint GOT any skill. This is a very "entry level" skill test, guys. Only the inept are going to fail it, after a bit of practice. It never fails that those who mock it KNOW that they can't pass it, and also know that they are too cheap/lazy to gain the abiity to pass it, too. Torso I spoke of was at 25 ft, most cops miss most attempts at half that range, and over half of their hits are not GOOD hits. You are not THAT much better than the cops, when it's for real.

 

[Treo]

if you aint that fast and accurate, only luck is going to save you, cause you aint GOT any skill. This is a very "entry level" skill test, guys. Only the inept are going to fail it, after a bit of practice. It never fails that those who mock it KNOW that they can't pass it, and also know that they are too cheap/lazy to gain the abiity to pass it, too. Torso I spoke of was at 25 ft, most cops miss most attempts at half that range, and over half of their hits are not GOOD hits. You are not THAT much better than the cops, when it's for real.

Got any real world experience to back that up?

 

[Brandonm2]

Coke Can Test

I don't see any harm in this test. It almost certainly improves reflexes and response times over just doing range shooting. With a handgun, getting it out of the holster, getting it ready to fire, and on target in a timely manner is the challenge. That said, I don't know that training your eyes to find a coke can that YOU threw is entirely the same as training your eyes to find the chest of an attacker you don't control. Afterall you know 1) that this is a test 2) that you will draw the gun 3) when the coke can will be thrown 4) where the coke can will be 5) and the coke can will never hurt you.

 

[BC1]

Don't shoot in the air, ever. In some states it's a crime unless using a shotgun/birdshot. Better to use the Tueller drill.

 

[phrogmedic]

don't forget to video yourself for YouTube. after you shoot yourself trying to be 'QuickDraw McGraw' . big grin

get training from a qualified instructor before you try this on your own

 

[Oram Security Consultants]

After reading your test, the only thing I see it "proving" is that a person can hit a tin can in the air. As BC1 commented, the Tueller Drill is an option. It is more realistic than your coke can test. Drawing from the holster to shoot up in the air would require the shooter to engage a target in an unrealistic manner.

Train like you fight. If you are going to carry concealed, then you will need to practice drawing and shooting as if you were in the "real" world. This means, during the winter, wear your winter jacket and gloves. Spring and fall, a light jacket. I wear a suit much of the time, so I make sure to take the time to practice in it. Does it get me some odd looks at the range sometimes? Yes, but worth it.

Its not THE way, its just A way.

 

[hotti]

anyone can train themselves. I did it with primer only wax loads, but they are a huge pita. Today, Airsoft pellets are adequatly visible in flight to make this easy to learn. I can do it starting with the lw Commander concealed under a t shirt and the chamber empty.

 

[Retired Grunt]

anyone can train themselves. I did it with primer only wax loads, but they are a huge pita. Today, Airsoft pellets are adequatly visible in flight to make this easy to learn. I can do it starting with the lw Commander concealed under a t shirt and the chamber empty.

You tube or video please and please include "I am Hotti" in the video so we all know it's you!

 

[Treo]

It appears our boy has been given the left foot of fellowship

 

[sgtbill]

Well I can pass this test but never saw a need to. Then again I am getting old now so I suppose that I have slowed down some. With being a Police Weapons and Military Weapons Instructor for over 45 year's I have tried just about everything that you can imagin. I was shown how to shoot ariel targets by the best a friend of mine by the name of Bob Munden. Hell he even showed me how to hit a .45 ACP shell in the air that had just ejected from my weapon. Yes it takes a hell of a lot of practice but I think my point is that all these things are fine but this is showmenship on the shooters part. I have never had a coke can or .45 shell or any othe type of object shoot at me other then a human being with a weapon in their hand or on their shoulder and at that point all the quick draw soda can practice goes out the window.
Bill

 

[NCIC105]

anyone can train themselves. I did it with primer only wax loads, but they are a huge pita. Today, Airsoft pellets are adequatly visible in flight to make this easy to learn. I can do it starting with the lw Commander concealed under a t shirt and the chamber empty.

Proof big boy!
I call BS

 

[Bttbbob]

I hope this guy isnt a firearms insructor, recommending shooting a centerfire pistol up in the air......Gawd what a twit.

 

[Warbirds]

If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a bullet.

I think that is how it goes.

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[Retired Grunt]

You tube or video please and please include "I am Hotti" in the video so we all know it's you!

Still waiting! LOL

 

[GlockDoc]

As a paramedic for 30 years I hear a lot of newbies talk tough. I have seen them puke when the Sh** hits the fan there in front of them. I don't care how good they are with a mannequin, or coke can. Depends on your composure when the REALITY hits.