Is America really going to do this?
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boyzoi
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+1 not just good, thats a great article with poignant observations throughout.
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jwtollett21
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yeah he will probally kill people as soon as he is elected. He can't be trusted. I bet he worships the devil. He is a radical islamist terrorist. The bible prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of our eyes. Oh My goodness. he will come for your guns.
Do you guys here yourself in any of this nonsense. Why don't ya'll republicans talk about some real issues instead of a bunch of crap
Do you guys here yourself in any of this nonsense. Why don't ya'll republicans talk about some real issues instead of a bunch of crap
tattedupboy
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I have always envisioned Obama being somewhat like Jimmy Carter in the area of foreign policy. That is, weak, and ready to downgrade our defense system. McCain, and the Republican party in general are superior in the area of foreign policy, and have been since the days of Eisenhower.
maybejim
Maybejim
Have you looked at any of his positions on guns? Have you looked at his votes on gun issues? I think you are deluding yourself or deliberately ignoring the facts.
JW- I obviously disagree with you 110%! Do you really think for a minute, given Obama's record on gun issues while a State Senator in IL and a US Senator and the fact that he has an F rating from the NRA, that Obama will suddenly become PRO GUN??? He's as anit as they come and I can Guarantee you if he takes office, Pelosi, Schummer, Kennedy, Levin, Lautenburg, Feinstein, Reed and the Brady Bunch will be suing the crap out of every Gun MFG, every Ammo mfg and getting every round of ammo micro stamped and guess what JW.....it's going to drive a ton of people in the gun business out of business and drive costs WAY UP!!!! You think ammo is expensive now, just you wait until the Lib Democrats get their rubber stamp!!! Not only that, any rifle or shotgun with a pistol grip will go bye-byes! High cap mags will also become a thing of the past....already are in Liberal Massachusetts where I hail from. Dude- get a grip and get introspective quick.....when you pull that lever on Tuesday, will you might actually be pulling the proverbial trigger :suicide2: on your own freedoms! This isn't a Democrat / Republican issue....it's about your freedoms. This also aint your daddy's Democrat party!
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jwtollett21
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know you guys are talking about issues. Thats what i like to see. I just get tired of the personal attacks on his faith, background, the terrorist stuff, yada yada.
I have looked at how they voted in the us senate and have researched things on this issue and also heard him make statements on what he would do. Mccain wins on the subject on gun control. I agree somewhat with you guys. Like i have said i am voting on all issues and obama wins that for me.
I have looked at how they voted in the us senate and have researched things on this issue and also heard him make statements on what he would do. Mccain wins on the subject on gun control. I agree somewhat with you guys. Like i have said i am voting on all issues and obama wins that for me.
sirsig1780
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Unfortunately his issues change depending on what group of people he happens to be talking to. He couldn't even keep straight who he said he was rooting for in the Wolrd Series. If this man tried to get a job at a defense company he wouldn't even be able to get a Secret Security Clearance because of his associates but if he becomes President(God forbid) they will give him the highest clearance that there is. OH GREAT!
jwtollett21
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please keep your personal attacks to yourself. lets just argue politics and keep the attacks to yourself. Thanks.
maybejim
Maybejim
What is Obama's position on guns?
I'm not sure what you are referring to about personal attacks but if it is to my comment, I would ask that you address the questions. What do you think Obama's position on guns, concealed carry, and the Second Amendment is? That is what this forum is all about.
I'm not sure what you are referring to about personal attacks but if it is to my comment, I would ask that you address the questions. What do you think Obama's position on guns, concealed carry, and the Second Amendment is? That is what this forum is all about.
jwtollett21
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no maybejim not you. a post has been deleted that i wrote that too.. it was to someone else.
maybejim
Maybejim
My apologies. I didn't see a really personal nasty post (but in all fairness, I have seen some around). The fact is however we're not getting the issues addressed by the Dem's. I think I have made reasonable points. I have seen no points being made in favor of Obama.
The Constitution and the Second Amendment particularly are very important to me. I do not see how anyone who is a gun owner and wants to remain one particularly someone who believes in personal carry, can possibly consider supporting and voting for Obama/Biden. They not only are but have been a threat to gun ownership, gun carry, and the freedoms that an armed citizenry can defend.
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A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. — George Washington
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. — Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).
The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. — Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. — James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. — James Madison, The Federalist Papers No. 46 at 243-244.
jwtollett21
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your right. the liberal dem are not pro gun and i hate that. I cannot let that out weigh what issues are more important to me like taxes, economy, iraq, healthcare. Thats what i am voting on. I feel mccain is a continuation of what we have now and things are bad now and will only get worse. Thats probally the biggest thing i am voting on. Besides i think Obama is more intelligent. I could care less how much experience john mccain has in the senate or if he is a war hero. and he is a war hero and very patriotic but i still in my opinion think obama is the man.
maybejim
Maybejim
I could live with them not being "pro gun" but I can't live with them being vehemently anti gun. Obama and Biden have histories of being vehemently anti gun and they are lying about it as well.
I am voting on exactly those things and that is why I am voting for McCain. I don't like McCain but his position are much saner than the socialistic positions of Obama and I have explained why.
The fact is Obama's positions if followed would be a disaster for this country. His tax policy would burden everyone disastrously and run investment money out of the country. His tax and healthcare programs would bankrupt the country.
That's an interesting and not uncommon position on the left today. It in my view actually ignores why things are bad today which is because a socialist position has been followed and it indeed is Obama who wants not only to continue that position but to make it worse.
The housing "crisis" was brought about because of a program started under Carter, and made dramatically worse under Clinton. It was ignored under Bush even though Bush and McCain warned about it. The Dem's were figuratively and literally in bed (Barney Frank) with execs from Freddy and Fannie. It was the left's push to loan to anyone and everyone and the right's failure to oppose it, that got us into this mess. The "bailout" likely is going to do nothing to bring sanity back into the loan industry and is rewarding stupidity and greed with the pocketbooks of the taxpayer.
Since I am soon to retire and I will work to keep my taxes low, I expect I would benefit from Obama's socialistic plans. On the other hand I have no doubt that the country in the long run (and maybe in the short run) will suffer terribly from them.
McCain's policies would have us running over a cliff at 25 miles an hour and Obama's would have us running over that same cliff at 100 miles an hour. At least with McCain we have some time to try to return the country to the Constitution.
jwtollett21
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Maybejim i totally respect your views. We see things different i guess but thats ok. Everyone should learn how to disagree in a nice way like you and i do. Best of luck to you.
