Interesting conversation today

[weissr]

I needed to pick something up at my local Walmart so I wandered over to the ammunition section to see what (if anything) was in stock. The shelves were typically bare, with mostly 30-06 and some 410 shells, but nothing for my .40 or my wife's 38spl.

While standing there, an older gentleman started talking to me about the lack of ammunition in the stores, including how hard it has been for him to find even 22LR. He then starts telling me that his son works for Homeland Security and told him that they are buying everything that they can get their hands on. I agree with him on the difficulty purchasing ammunition right now, stating that I have heard of the ammunition stockpiling by Homeland Security.

However it was his next statement that really got my attention - he then proceeds to tell me that, according to his son, Homeland Security is warehousing the ammunition and then destroying it as fast as they can.

Take this conversation for what it is worth - however it is well publicized that Homeland Security has been purchasing MASSIVE quantities of ammunition, however I have a hard time believing that they are using hollow points for training. In addition, there are reports of Homeland Security purchasing and refurbishing 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles, armored checkpoints and perhaps most chilling - cardboard targets of pregnant women, mothers, small children and the elderly.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Yes....it's true about DHS, FEMA, Police and other Gestapo actually shooting/training with cardboard targets of civilians; women, children and even the elderly. I posted a story -w- pictures on that a while back.

These posters even say "No Hesitation!" on them.

Here's a link.......

DHS, FEMA, POLICE USING CIVILIAN SHOOTING POSTERS FOR TRAINING. WHY? | lightgateblogger

 

[jdsonice]

I don't buy this story. This is one data point. There are better ways to shutdown ammo factories than to enrich the companies who make ammo. I would take this with a huge bottle of salt.

 

[S&W645]

I don't buy this story. This is one data point. There are better ways to shutdown ammo factories than to enrich the companies who make ammo. I would take this with a huge bottle of salt.

Surprise fire inspection and rules change would be the easy way. When you can't pass, they shut you down.

 

[AndeyHall]

I know liberals aren't the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have a very hard time believing this story. I mean not only would it be indisputable evidence of them trying to circumvent the 2nd amendment, they would also be MAJORLY wasting tax dollars...all while the 2nd amendment and the national deficit/gov't spending are the 2 issues this administration is under the most scrutiny about! Are they really THAT stupid? Seems like that would be opening doors for potential impeachment to me.

 

[Peggy Reist]

I know liberals aren't the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have a very hard time believing this story. I mean not only would it be indisputable evidence of them trying to circumvent the 2nd amendment, they would also be MAJORLY wasting tax dollars...all while the 2nd amendment and the national deficit/gov't spending are the 2 issues this administration is under the most scrutiny about! Are they really THAT stupid? Seems like that would be opening doors for potential impeachment to me.

I will admit I haven't read all the amendment, but I know we're guaranteed the right to bear arms. That being said, is there anything in there about ammunition? Are we actually guaranteed that we'll always have the ammo to shoot in them? Or could it be a case of, 'if you can't ban the guns, then get rid of the ammo'?

 

[AndeyHall]

I know liberals aren't the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have a very hard time believing this story. I mean not only would it be indisputable evidence of them trying to circumvent the 2nd amendment, they would also be MAJORLY wasting tax dollars...all while the 2nd amendment and the national deficit/gov't spending are the 2 issues this administration is under the most scrutiny about! Are they really THAT stupid? Seems like that would be opening doors for potential impeachment to me.

I will admit I haven't read all the amendment, but I know we're guaranteed the right to bear arms. That being said, is there anything in there about ammunition? Are we actually guaranteed that we'll always have the ammo to shoot in them? Or could it be a case of, 'if you can't ban the guns, then get rid of the ammo'?

If you walked around with a gun on your side but no bullets in it, would you consider yourself to be armed?

 

[Peggy Reist]

If you walked around with a gun on your side but no bullets in it, would you consider yourself to be armed?

Not at all. That's my point. If they fail at banning guns, couldn't they achieve the same purpose by just getting rid of the ammo?

 

[vernsimpson]

I will admit I haven't read all the amendment, but I know we're guaranteed the right to bear arms. That being said, is there anything in there about ammunition? Are we actually guaranteed that we'll always have the ammo to shoot in them? Or could it be a case of, 'if you can't ban the guns, then get rid of the ammo'?

Good point. But I do not believe that Big Sis is destroying the ammo! I believe that obummer has shown that if he can not people to go along with what he wants he will do whatever to ram it down our throat. Now that he got his second term it is my belief that we have seen nothing yet! If he holds the Senate and gets the House in 2014 then all is lost. I believe that obummer and Big Sis are ramping up in case the lib-o-rats do not get both Houses then obummer will use something to declare martial law even if he must do as Hitler did and manufacture a crisis. The killings in Texas of the DA and they immediately blame a "White Supremest Group" without any evidence.

I do believe that we are headed for a second revolution and I hope and pray that it will be a peaceful one but each day I lose a little more hope for that. I only hope that our wonderful military will not side with obummer in putting down the very people they have swore to protect.

 

[AndeyHall]

If you walked around with a gun on your side but no bullets in it, would you consider yourself to be armed?

Not at all. That's my point. If they fail at banning guns, couldn't they achieve the same purpose by just getting rid of the ammo?

But the wording of the 2nd amendment is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". So without the bullets they wouldn't be considered arms, they'd just be a worthless hunk of metal (or polymer). So to me, if they're buying it for the sole purpose of keeping it out of our hands but they're using it, that would be tough to prove anything. But if they're destroying the ammo, there no denying that they're deliberately trying to keep us unarmed, which would be a 2nd amendment violation.

 

[rifleshooter474]

I would not put anything done under our Obama country ownership.

 

[Deserteagle]

While standing there, an older gentleman started talking to me about the lack of ammunition in the stores...Homeland Security is warehousing the ammunition and then destroying it as fast as they can.

Sounds like a paranoid old man who lost touch with reality a few years ago...

 

[escapedthematrix]

Weather or not they are buying ammo simply to warehouse it and destroy it is irrelevant because there are no facts to the contrary or to prove it. (Their buyers are probably the ones on armslist gouging cuz they don't make jack **** at thier jobs) The fact is ammo is very hard to find and prices have increased. What is important to consider is that the DHS are building up thier armament with the purchase of a couple of thousand armored vehicles. Over a billion bullets over the next several years. Thousands of M4 type rifles, or in thier terms, PersonalDefenseWeapons - when you and I buy one that is not even full auto capable it is considered an assault weapon. Why the sudden need for these types of weapons? I say sudden because as they have always had weapons, they seem to be rapidly increasing the quantity and moving to a more military type. Why does this all have to be federal? Why not leave it to the state to provide its own law enforcement and weaponry? Do you think our adminstration recognizes state sovereignty? The fact that DHS operates within the US border, as the name also implies, should be concerning to anyone that they are arming to the teeth. For what and whom is all of this intended? I think these are some examples of questions we should be asking.

 

[Peggy Reist]

But the wording of the 2nd amendment is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". So without the bullets they wouldn't be considered arms, they'd just be a worthless hunk of metal (or polymer). So to me, if they're buying it for the sole purpose of keeping it out of our hands but they're using it, that would be tough to prove anything. But if they're destroying the ammo, there no denying that they're deliberately trying to keep us unarmed, which would be a 2nd amendment violation.

I really don't believe they're destroying it, but signs are definitely pointing to a big stockpile somewhere. Either way, it's still keeping it out of our hands.

 

[Kramer1113]

I think Rule #1 should be Don't apply Logic when dealing with any government agency.
I'm not a very good conspiracy theorist so keep that in mind while reading my post.
I feel that if the government, namely the Department of Home Land Security is stockpiling ammunition in the most popular calibers for civilian use, the reason may very well be to have ammunition on hand for distribution to the population in the event of foreign invasion. Yes, just like the "Red Dawn" Movie.

If you look at what China is doing with their Navy and their military you don't have to use much imagination to picture an invasion. And Yes, they do have a plan as to how they would do it.

 

[AndeyHall]

I think Rule #1 should be Don't apply Logic when dealing with any government agency.
I'm not a very good conspiracy theorist so keep that in mind while reading my post.
I feel that if the government, namely the Department of Home Land Security is stockpiling ammunition in the most popular calibers for civilian use, the reason may very well be to have ammunition on hand for distribution to the population in the event of foreign invasion. Yes, just like the "Red Dawn" Movie.

If you look at what China is doing with their Navy and their military you don't have to use much imagination to picture an invasion. And Yes, they do have a plan as to how they would do it.

Under any other administration I would would agree. I actually do agree with the "Red Dawn" analogy, I just think it'll be our own government invading us.

 

[Peggy Reist]

Under any other administration I would would agree. I actually do agree with the "Red Dawn" analogy, I just think it'll be our own government invading us.

That seems the most likely to me too. I just can't see our government giving ME anything. I don't qualify for welfare, food stamps, or a free cell phone. For what other reason would they have practice targets of old men and women, pregnant women, and little kids? I just don't see foreign governments using those people to invade us. Especially since the targets look like Americans.

 

[Kramer1113]

That seems the most likely to me too. I just can't see our government giving ME anything. I don't qualify for welfare, food stamps, or a free cell phone. For what other reason would they have practice targets of old men and women, pregnant women, and little kids? I just don't see foreign governments using those people to invade us. Especially since the targets look like Americans.

You may be right. However, in any occupation you have your informants. People who will sell out to the occupying force so they may either live, or live well.
We are not talking about an "Obama Phone" Those will be some of the first to die or sell out.
The world is so different now than it was in the 1860's. Civil War would look nothing like what it did then.
Being prior service and having a sister who works at the UN (And not a door guard), I feel our government is much more worried about other countries.
Do you know the #1 concern about Iran our Government has? I do. They do not wish to blow up a U.S. City, the #1 threat is that they will detonate a nuke Over the United States killing our electric grid.

 

[BigSlick]

I know liberals aren't the brightest bulbs in the box, but I have a very hard time believing this story. I mean not only would it be indisputable evidence of them trying to circumvent the 2nd amendment, they would also be MAJORLY wasting tax dollars...all while the 2nd amendment and the national deficit/gov't spending are the 2 issues this administration is under the most scrutiny about! Are they really THAT stupid? Seems like that would be opening doors for potential impeachment to me.

Since when do liberals care about how they spend our money. "Are they that stupid"? Yes, it would appear so!

 

[AndeyHall]

Crazy how true these statements are. Not sure Adolf Hitler said that though...I'm pretty sure it Barack Obama and somebody was just able to see in the future.