Just curious, I was at a firing range that I joined awhile back and decided to wear an old web "Riggers Belt" that I made while I was doing some rigger work on freefall parachutes in the early 1980s. I wore this belt during my military career off and on in units that permitted it. A young guy wearing a similar belt approached me and asked if I was an NRA certified instructor. I answered "no" and just thought the kid was looking for assistance. He went away and returned with an older guy, also wearing a riggers belt. The man also asked if I was an NRA certified instructor and i again answered no and began to wonder what was going on. The man explained that this style belt is exclusively for NRA certified instructors and asked me to remove it so I wouldn't be mistaken as an instructor. I did so, but began to wonder when Riggers Belts became NRA instructors belts and what type 8 milspec nylon web with a "D" RING used as a harness fitting to which a detachable chest reserve pack is attached, has to do with firearms instruction? Has any other military types experienced such a thing? I guess I just don't get out enough.
Instructors Belt
- Thread starter mikz33
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You are easier to get along with than I am. My answer would have been much different and the belt would have stayed on. If the morons at that range think a belt is what makes someone an NRA certified instructor then you need to find a different place to shoot. That kind of dumb is dangerous!
The NRA store sells "instructor pants" (cargo pants), "instructor shirts" (polo shirts), and "instructor belts" (riggers belts). I wear cargo pants, a polo shirt and a riggers belt all the time and no one has ever asked me if I was an instructor. Someone that full of themselves has no business "instructing" anyone because as a former drill sergeant of mine used to say "that goat smellin' boy can't tell his ass from a hole in the ground."
Wesco
New member
Should have so no I won't remove it and does your belt make you a prick or does that title come with some other article oud clothing attire.
Anyone who thinks and acts like they know everything and hek as if they command that much authority to demand you to remove your belt is rediculous.
Anyone who thinks and acts like they know everything and hek as if they command that much authority to demand you to remove your belt is rediculous.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
If that is true...there are a lot of NRA instructor certified fire fighters/paramedics....
Phillip Gain
New member
I'm an NRA Certified Instructor. The NRA never issued me a special belt. Nor a codebook of laws that supercede those of society. Nor was I ever taught a secret handshake. Nor am I required to attend secret rites every 2nd full moon.
I do have a rigger's belt. I bought it from Elite Survival systems. I wear it because it keeps my pants up even with my Ruger GP100 strapped to my side.
I would have said "Yes" and asked him if he knew the special hand shake? Stupid is as stupid does. Agree with what was said above. Wouldn't want anyone to be trained by his elitist a$$. Most of the instructors I know are friendly and would give assistance to anyone. I know once I was helping people at a range and when someone acted up I was asked to remove them. I stated that I did not work there and the response was " Then why are you helping everyone?". Just stated it was in my nature.
Sorry just saw P Gain mentioned something about our handshake.That's what I get for responding after the second post and not reading all.
Sorry just saw P Gain mentioned something about our handshake.That's what I get for responding after the second post and not reading all.
:wink:BulletTrainingLtd
New member
If I would have posted that question as my first post, I would have been labled a troll at the least and/or ignored. Thanks for the kinder, gentler forum responses people.
Dale64
Defying Gravity
I just clipped this information from Tactical Gear, Tactical Equipment, Duty Belts, Slings, USA makers of "The original instructors belt".
Ummm.... it has nothing to do with being an NRA instructor.
This guy and his friend are completely full of themselves!
The Original Instructor Belt was developed in 1983 and
has been refined ever since. It is a very strong belt with a specially designed
carbon steel V-ring buckle coated with non-glare black Roguard, a tough milspec
finish which is highly corrosion-resistant and will not chip like cheaper
coatings. The belt was originally designed to clip into a secure system while
"instructing" others in high places during mountain rescue training, although
they can be used for emergency rappelling with proper training. Our belts have
also proven to be a fantastic everyday pants belt for casual or outdoor use, as
well as concealed-carry.
Although not intended to replace a rappelling harness or to absorb a fall,
the Instructor Belt provides peace of mind over the alternative -- no protection
at all. We strongly recommend it for anyone involved in law enforcement, special
warfare, or rescue operations where there is a risk of falling out of a
helicopter. It has been standard operating procedure for years within the
Phoenix Special Assignments Unit (SWAT) to clip into a Wilderness Original
Instructor Belt during airborne or skid-riding ops. It has also been used by
many professionals who like the safety of being clipped in when working in
cherry pickers (the belt's first "save") or other tall structures.
This belt is not intended to replace a standard rappelling harness with leg
straps in normal operations. It is intended as an emergency option to clip into
when there is a risk of falling, or for emergency rappelling when no other
option is available. It will be very uncomfortable to rappel with, but it may
save your life – which is what we intended. The Instructor Belt must be used in
conjunction with a harness or rope seat during any non-emergency situation or
rappel training. These are inherently dangerous operations which can result in
death or serious injury; proper training in these skills is absolutely
required.
The Original Instructor Belt is designed to be a serious piece of
rescue/safety equipment that you may have to bet your life on. In lab testing,
our Original Instructor Belt has withstood a minimum of 5,900 lbs. of static
stress without failing, to more than 8,000 lbs. of static stress without
failing. Results vary with model. See testing data. Ask those who try to copy us
if they continually refine the construction and materials they use? Or do they
use inferior materials and designs, like heat-sealing or flimsy metal tabs on
the end that tear off and shred your belt within a year or two? Our proprietary
resin treatment on the belt tab actually soaks into the core of our nylon and
bonds with it, providing permanent protection from fraying. With proper use,
your Original Instructor Belt should give you literally years of faithful
service.
You don't have to ask us if our gear is top quality; we stand behind our
products and include documentation of these results with every Original
Instructor Belt, and we post them here on our website. If it's not a Wilderness
Original Instructor Belt, it's just a copy. We have never, and will never,
produce our belts under any name but our own (*we do produce signature
versions specifically for Gunsite and EOTAC with their tag AND ours both proudly
on the belt).
Ummm.... it has nothing to do with being an NRA instructor.
This guy and his friend are completely full of themselves!
The Original Instructor Belt was developed in 1983 and
has been refined ever since. It is a very strong belt with a specially designed
carbon steel V-ring buckle coated with non-glare black Roguard, a tough milspec
finish which is highly corrosion-resistant and will not chip like cheaper
coatings. The belt was originally designed to clip into a secure system while
"instructing" others in high places during mountain rescue training, although
they can be used for emergency rappelling with proper training. Our belts have
also proven to be a fantastic everyday pants belt for casual or outdoor use, as
well as concealed-carry.
Although not intended to replace a rappelling harness or to absorb a fall,
the Instructor Belt provides peace of mind over the alternative -- no protection
at all. We strongly recommend it for anyone involved in law enforcement, special
warfare, or rescue operations where there is a risk of falling out of a
helicopter. It has been standard operating procedure for years within the
Phoenix Special Assignments Unit (SWAT) to clip into a Wilderness Original
Instructor Belt during airborne or skid-riding ops. It has also been used by
many professionals who like the safety of being clipped in when working in
cherry pickers (the belt's first "save") or other tall structures.
This belt is not intended to replace a standard rappelling harness with leg
straps in normal operations. It is intended as an emergency option to clip into
when there is a risk of falling, or for emergency rappelling when no other
option is available. It will be very uncomfortable to rappel with, but it may
save your life – which is what we intended. The Instructor Belt must be used in
conjunction with a harness or rope seat during any non-emergency situation or
rappel training. These are inherently dangerous operations which can result in
death or serious injury; proper training in these skills is absolutely
required.
The Original Instructor Belt is designed to be a serious piece of
rescue/safety equipment that you may have to bet your life on. In lab testing,
our Original Instructor Belt has withstood a minimum of 5,900 lbs. of static
stress without failing, to more than 8,000 lbs. of static stress without
failing. Results vary with model. See testing data. Ask those who try to copy us
if they continually refine the construction and materials they use? Or do they
use inferior materials and designs, like heat-sealing or flimsy metal tabs on
the end that tear off and shred your belt within a year or two? Our proprietary
resin treatment on the belt tab actually soaks into the core of our nylon and
bonds with it, providing permanent protection from fraying. With proper use,
your Original Instructor Belt should give you literally years of faithful
service.
You don't have to ask us if our gear is top quality; we stand behind our
products and include documentation of these results with every Original
Instructor Belt, and we post them here on our website. If it's not a Wilderness
Original Instructor Belt, it's just a copy. We have never, and will never,
produce our belts under any name but our own (*we do produce signature
versions specifically for Gunsite and EOTAC with their tag AND ours both proudly
on the belt).
gschoelles
New member
I would have given him "THAT LOOK" at the least. I like these belts as well, especially with BDU's... Would he have asked me to remove my pants?
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