INSTRUCTOR ARRESTED....needs to be more of this

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We need to police our own. This idiot did nothing but demean the CWP program, cast doubt on real instructors, and jam up his "students" with his actions. I'm glad SLED investigated this and caught him. I think they should make it a regular practice to audit classes. I'd welcome them to mine.
 
Going back, and Investigating all previous Students would be opening a bad can of worms as the saying goes. Honestly, They should not punish the Students.

I completely agree on Punishing the Instructor, But dont take his mistake out on all the Students, and punishing them.

What they should do is make this Instructor refund all previous Students who they suspect might have been giving, or helped with thier exams.

hit the Instructor were it hurts, His Wallet ! I'm just confused on what his Reasoning was for De- Frauding not only his Students, But the State where he was License to be an Weapons Instructor.

It could'nt of been for money, Unless he was padding the cost to
Insure that all Students passed ??
 
Their laws are nothing like ours here in Florida. We give the class, shoot a little, give the student his/her certificate from the NRA that they have completed the class. They can either go get their prints and mug shot, mail off the app or call a number in Tampa, make an appointment and someone there will do it all for you.

I use the NRA Power Point presentation. I removed several unnecessary slides and added a few of my own, but I can't for the life of me figure out how I am supposed to stretch that class out to eight hours. That is unless we shoot for 6.
 
trophyhunter said:
Going back, and Investigating all previous Students would be opening a bad can of worms as the saying goes. Honestly, They should not punish the Students.

I completely agree on Punishing the Instructor, But dont take his mistake out on all the Students, and punishing them.

What they should do is make this Instructor refund all previous Students who they suspect might have been giving, or helped with thier exams.

hit the Instructor were it hurts, His Wallet ! I'm just confused on what his Reasoning was for De- Frauding not only his Students, But the State where he was License to be an Weapons Instructor.

It could'nt of been for money, Unless he was padding the cost to
Insure that all Students passed ??
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the students signed the paperwork saying they attended the entire 8 hour class and perjured themselves. no one held their feet to the fire to make them sign. the instructor cheated the students from the training and so did the students by not making it a point.
 
That's the trouble with today's liberal society. Poor educators, educate to the lowest denominator, no child left behind. No need to be the best you can be. More important to not offend anyone. Who wants a surgeon to operate on you that graduated at the bottom of their class or a lawyer at the bottom of their class to defend you? And people can't understand why our leaders are out of touch?:help:
 
The Instructor broke the law, so did his students. As for prosecution what's good for the goose is good for the gander as my Grandma would say. Having said that, requiring an eight hour class in order to exercise a constitutional right is just asinine IMO .
 
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Actually, 8 hours isn't enough. My class is 12 hours, and it still only scratches the surface. The CWP course isn't just about marksmanship and safe gun handling, though those are topics mandated by the state. Actually, applicants should have already had a basic weapons course before coming for their CWP. I start with the range qualification. If they don't pass this, they don't get the rest of the class. I gladly refund their fee and send them on their way.

You have to teach people what they don't know if you're going to do it responsibly, both for the students and the CWP program. Mindset, situational awareness, deescalation tactics, weapons and ammunition function and choice, as well as the state laws and a post shooting strategy are just a few of the things I cover.

As instructors, we're sending people armed into the populace. It's our responsibility to send them out as prepared as possible. It's not just their safety and everyone else's we have to worry about. We as instructors have to keep in mind that were sending our students out into an increasingly litigious society, where they're not just wearing a gun on their hip, but their homes, cars, life savings, etc. We need to teach them how to not only protect themselves from those who would do them physical harm, but also against those who would hurt them financially.

This clown who essentially sold permits failed on so many levels. I personally feel that he should be made to pay for another class that his "students" should be made to take.
 
SGB said:
They Instructor broke the law, so did his students. As for prosecution what's good for the goose is good for the gander as my Grandma would say. Having said that, requiring an eight hour class in order to exercise a constitutional right is just asinine IMO .
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is the class boring, yes. did i take away information, yes. i could see things happening more like the AZ guy that was handling his weapon all over Walmart before negligently discharging into the ceiling. same as the guy that dropped his in the stall and shot hit someone from the discharge.

in SC...
i dont see a slap in the face to the 2nd b/c of the class for concealed carry. we all have the rights to own legal weapons and bear arms to defend ourselves/family/friends in our homes or places of business. we also have the rights here (w/o a CWP) to carry a loaded weapon in our vehicles as long as it's behind a latched compartment ie center console/glovebox.
 
Will you also be offering classes in public speaking (for a fee, of course) so that we may get a permit to exercise our First Amendment rights, too?

TacticalPirate:283969 said:
Actually, 8 hours isn't enough. My class is 12 hours, and it still only scratches the surface. The CWP course isn't just about marksmanship and safe gun handling, though those are topics mandated by the state. Actually, applicants should have already had a basic weapons course before coming for their CWP. I start with the range qualification. If they don't pass this, they don't get the rest of the class. I gladly refund their fee and send them on their way.

You have to teach people what they don't know if you're going to do it responsibly, both for the students and the CWP program. Mindset, situational awareness, deescalation tactics, weapons and ammunition function and choice, as well as the state laws and a post shooting strategy are just a few of the things I cover.

As instructors, we're sending people armed into the populace. It's our responsibility to send them out as prepared as possible. It's not just their safety and everyone else's we have to worry about. We as instructors have to keep in mind that were sending our students out into an increasingly litigious society, where they're not just wearing a gun on their hip, but their homes, cars, life savings, etc. We need to teach them how to not only protect themselves from those who would do them physical harm, but also against those who would hurt them financially.

This clown who essentially sold permits failed on so many levels. I personally feel that he should be made to pay for another class that his "students" should be made to take.
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Dwarven1 said:
Will you also be offering classes in public speaking (for a fee, of course) so that we may get a permit to exercise our First Amendment rights, too?
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I think that would be a great idea as I hear so many people speaking in public and in front of audiences that have no idea of what they are talking about. One a person graduates from high school they are supposed to have some knowledge of how the government works and the economy in general but very few seem to have it. They will just merrily follow along with some person that has a great ability to read what is put in front of him and believe every word of it however false and misleading it is. A class in public speaking for most people before you can run your mouth is a good idea except we are supposed to have that already for free. We should include a CWP class in that curriculum but just like speaking in public I doubt that it would do any good.
 
SGB said:
requiring an eight hour class in order to exercise a constitutional right is just asinine IMO .
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I agree with that statement and I am opposed to getting fingerprinted and photographed like a criminal. To me the only time anyone is supposed to be fingerprinted is when arrested and getting charged with a crime. Banks do this crap too when you try and cash a check made out to you drawn on that bank but you have no account there.
 
And then you have the politically connected instructors that only teach 10 hours of a mandatory 15 hour class and get away with it.
 
Ultimately, when it comes down to the details, he was a certified CWP instructor. There are state requirements for him to be an instructor and how to instruct the course. He deviated from these requirements and so should be held accountable. It is fine to have the opinion that the course should be longer, shorter or perhaps wider. That does not matter here. If you deviate from a State mandated training curriculum, you will be punished and should loose your certification to instruct the course. If the course is through an organization, such as the NRA, you are still mandated to instruct to a specific curriculum and again, should be held responsible.
 
longslide10 said:
I agree with that statement and I am opposed to getting fingerprinted and photographed like a criminal. To me the only time anyone is supposed to be fingerprinted is when arrested and getting charged with a crime. Banks do this crap too when you try and cash a check made out to you drawn on that bank but you have no account there.
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Not only that, but the person who gets the check back, the guy who wrote it, now has your fingerprint. Don't take a check from someone who might set you up!

Pretty paranoid huh? :):)

KK
 
Dwarven1 said:
Will you also be offering classes in public speaking (for a fee, of course) so that we may get a permit to exercise our First Amendment rights, too?
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Wow, really? I like snarky remarks. They're fun to deal with.

Because your post was less than lucid, I'm going to have to take some guesses as to what you're trying to say. Are you saying that anyone who can own a handgun is qualified in its use during a defensive situation? Or that everyone knows the pitfalls that exist in the patchwork of laws that have the potential to cause someone to lose everything they own? Maybe you thought the statement would be clever standing on its own, but really, it's rather confusing.

If you don't see training as a protection for CWP holders, what do you see it as? Do you think that because I'm an instructor I see people as a mere revenue source? If that were the case, why provide more training than the state requires? Why care if the people who come through know what awaits them out there for exercising a Constitutional right? Because I'm sure the FFL dealer that sold them the gun took the time to do it. After all, they're not just interested in making a sale are they?

I became an instructor because the instructor that taught the CWP class I attended was lacking, and I said that I could do a better job. I did research before and after the class to learn what I didn't know, and a great deal of it should have been imparted by that instructor. So I put in the time and expense to obtain the certifications, developed my own course, and teach what I feel people really need to know. And some people even get training from me without paying a fee.

Internet forums and the anonymity they provide are wonderful places for making pithy quotes, aren't they? Bear in mind that the object of this forum is to provide information to the portion of society that carries concealed and wants to be well informed. A thought to whether or not a post is a value add might be in order next time.
 
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