I'm being quite serious in my post, not joking around.

NYMike

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Can I have some educated and rational(please!) adult discussion on why people think sociologically there is are disproportionately few minorities in the gun culture. Please let's be adult here, not children. I don't want racist talk. I am not talking about thug criminals either, I am referring to law abiding decent people.

For instance of the hundreds of people I have seen at FRONTSIGHT maybe ten were of color, and 25 Latino or other culture. And of those people of color I did see they were seemingly older educated professionals. Is it because they are afraid of being stereotyped and stigmatized? Shunned from the culture? Please any mature thoughts only. I wanted to address this solely from a sociological, economical point of view.
 
I suspect it is the "someone else will take care of me" mentality that has enslaved blacks. Asians, latinos, I'm not really sure. Are there really stats that back up ur argument?
 
I would think it's not so much white vs. brown as it is rural vs. urban. Brown people tend to be urban. Urban people tend to not be in the gun culture. Just my opinion.
 
Believe me, More people of all colors have guns then you know about!! Owning a gun is something most people don't want known, they just have it for "Just in case". Like me!
 
Is it that they may have had less introduction to guns, in a hunting, target shooting atmosphere. They may not even know that some other aspect even exists. I know I often start something new to me but it has been going on for a long time but I was never introduced to it.

Just a quick thought
 
In my opinion, I believe the pro "gun culture" is consider a right wing conservative bunch. Where as most minorities are liberals. I realize there are extremes in every group but I also tend to think that pro gun culture is looked upon as a being somewhat of a redneck if not at least good ole boys club. Most of the loudest voices that support gun rights seem to fit that stereotype. Not many minorities have much in common with them. The Dooms Day prepper show feeds the stereo type. Just my take. I also agree with the comment about not growing up with guns. I think most of us can say we were hunting or shooting with our dads when we were kids. Percentage of minorities that grow up in that type of setting I assume is very small for all sorts of reasons.
 
I am jewish and grew up in NYC. I never even knew, handled, purchased or watched a firearm discharge in the first 65 years of my life. When I was 60 I retired to SC and now, at 70, I own several pistols and a shotgun and regularly target shoot with some friends. For almost all my years in the NYC/NJ area, I associated with other jews, I tended to be democrat/liberal and I voted for JFK, and I even voted for Clinton the first time. I have very little association with the jewish temple at this time, where many stupid, ignorant democrat/liberal jews still reside, who cannot understand who this moslem turd is in the whitehouse and how anti-Israel he really is. I consider myself a 100% conservative republican who will, if he could, put a statement in my will that any of my kids who ever vote democrat will not receive a red cent of my estate. I will out and out kill you under SC castle doctrine if you enter my home illegally and embrace 2A because I can see hitler and nazis and germany 1930 on the horizon come Nov. I guess this comes down to urban and, therefore, no history of "goin out with dad to hunt deer" and "having my first BB gun at 7 years old". I think much of what I say may be framed within my jewish identity but it does relate to the initial question of "minorities" and lack of interest in firearm ownership as it relates to sports and hunting.
 
Violence in the urban culture is higher then the berbs or rural areas. Crime running rampant with their use of guns has lead to a view of only "Guns are bad, people that use guns are bad". This idea has been promulgated, with extreme prejudice, against any and all that want to own a firearm, especially a hand gun. Through this continued propaganda a lot of society just follows along as sheep do. Some have even risen to places of power to assist and ply this travesty of true justice of defending oneself and family (too include property).

The larger picture to me is that we also help this insane cause by a continued division of "Cultures". We the people should and is just that WE THE PEOPLE. Americans have the right to bare arms is for ALL. I challenge all throughout my interaction in the community if someone tries to feed me some "minority" BS. What makes you any more special then me or my neighbor? Why should you be a protected class and not me? If we can start putting a END to this mentality, maybe we can get back on the road of recovery to get this great country back to being as exceptional has she has always been. A true divine intervention established this great county in my humble opinion. Let’s take her back.
 
A lot of black culture seems to purposely act, dress, walk, talk and educate in a diametrically opposite direction than European (white) culture. Any variation by the individual that is closer to acting or dressing white; leaves that person ostracized and ridiculed.

Those in "urban" areas are around guns; but usually used and obtained in an illegal manner. You have black children bringing guns to schools. Children robbing people while using a gun. In groups they act like wild predators. Basically lacking the basics of civilized behavior, because acting in a civilized manner, is akin to acting white. These children are a product of poor upbringing and emulate the parent, which usual has poor social skills, and the role models are usually thugs and thuggish behavior.

So for many of these people of color, the gun is a tool that aids them in their life of crime.

Now there are a few black people that break free of this thug mentality, and actually pursue an education and learn to speak proper English. These individuals have a lower propensity for crime, higher income and longer life expectancy. And when they acquire a firearm, it is to defend themselves. Plus they are more likely to get professional training in the use of that firearm.
 
im apologizing in advanced for this long post.

honestly theres a difference in owning a gun and participating in the gun culture. i think all races probably own a gun in equal proportions. but those that participate in the culture, the training, or even monthly target practice need to have expendable income to (literally) burn money in ammo and supplies. most people who want to shoot even more take on the "hobby" of reloading, which most people on this forum would know doesnt save you that much if you are going high quality and consistency.

as a hispanic female in my early 20s, i really dont fit the norm. but i understand the obstacles in wanting to shoot more. i have a college education, but i also have lower paying job than more seasoned in the workforce. i still want to go out and shop, pay my gym membership, feed and walk my dog, go to the movies, ect.

For those that cant afford much, blowing money on ammo for 30-60 minutes of punching holes in paper isnt that worth it. Just like violin lessons, a saturday art class, or karate lessons, those "extras" are for those with more money to spread around.

Those lucky enough that can retire, and have the time and extra income to feed their shooting habit are, and im generalizing here, middle class and above white men. But i dont think its limited to race. its limited to time and money. and sadly minorities arent known for filling in suburbia. there are exceptions, and im sure time and more minorities getting a good educations and getting good jobs will equalize the race imbalance in the shooting world.

again sorry for the long post.
 
I agree with the statement that "most minorities are liberals", and feel that others will take care of them. I'm not racist, I have friends that are black, and friends that are latino... most of them seem to feel this way - but not all.

For me, I realized long ago that nobody is responsible for my safety, nor that or my family -- except for ME. I don't live in fear, I live in reality. The reality is, there are lots of scumbags out there that would just assume rob/kill you then look at you.

I've always like/been around guns -- and got my first .22LR and .410 shotgun at the young age of 8 years old. It wasn't until I had children that I really became keenly aware of the possible dangers my family could face and that nobody could protect us, but us.
 
I believe a lot of minorities own & carry weapons.
I do not believe they are concerned about doing it legally & are not licensed.
You will not see them in CWP class or on the range.
You will see & hear about them on the news.
 
frankly, basing this on political affiliation doesnt make much sense. even poor minorities that are "liberals" can understand a gun is a tool for protection. but its the poor and desperate that use them for crime. even if they dont have a gun, they would use a knife, a bat, or anything they can. and even they dont care much about political rivalries, just to get money for food and "stuff" that they couldnt afford otherwise.

i think the common denominator here is poverty. good poor people are just that good poor people. they may own guns to hunt or for protection. but the bad eggs will still use tools for their own benefit. but you dont see poor good people in the gun ranges beacuse they cannot afford it. $12 for a 50 rnd box of ammo? or food? better yet, lets buy that ammo, but not practice and only use it in an emergency.

I think thats most gun owners. guns are for emergency use only. but those that can afford it are those that shoot and shoot often. Those that practice, those that get professional training... those are the ones with money to actively be in the gun culture.
 
not joking

I think everyone is uncomfortable at the least, and are taking steps to protect themselves and their Families.
 
frankly, basing this on political affiliation doesnt make much sense. even poor minorities that are "liberals" can understand a gun is a tool for protection. but its the poor and desperate that use them for crime. even if they dont have a gun, they would use a knife, a bat, or anything they can. and even they dont care much about political rivalries, just to get money for food and "stuff" that they couldnt afford otherwise.

i think the common denominator here is poverty. good poor people are just that good poor people. they may own guns to hunt or for protection. but the bad eggs will still use tools for their own benefit. but you dont see poor good people in the gun ranges beacuse they cannot afford it. $12 for a 50 rnd box of ammo? or food? better yet, lets buy that ammo, but not practice and only use it in an emergency.

I think thats most gun owners. guns are for emergency use only. but those that can afford it are those that shoot and shoot often. Those that practice, those that get professional training... those are the ones with money to actively be in the gun culture.

All I have to say is WELL PUT.
 
Can I have some educated and rational(please!) adult discussion on why people think sociologically there is are disproportionately few minorities in the gun culture.

I think some of that perception may be illusory. For instance, let's look at another cultural phenomenon of sorts that appears to be drawn on racial lines - rap and hip-hop music. At first glance one would tend to think that this was an overwhelmingly non-white "thing", mostly because the faces of rap and hip-hop....those that we're most familiar with.....are almost exclusively black. Yet when you look at it a little closer you'll find that the great majority of dollars spent on this music comes from the pockets of white folk. I don't have the figures at my disposal but, in terms of sheer numbers, I'd be willing to bet everything I own that there are more fans of rap music who're white than black. That contradicts the public's perception.

The "face" of gun culture in this country has always been white (and male). That's hardly the case for the rank-and-file in my experience. Granted, I've spent the last 16 years in a huge cultural/racial melting pot here in S. Florida, but when I go to the range (there are 3 that I patronize) I always see quite a few minorities in terms of both customers and employees. It's not just "rednecks" and "good ol' boys" even though we have plenty of them here as well. The bottom line is that there are many more minorities who are (legally) involved with guns than what appears on the surface.

As far as the rest of the country goes, I know that minorities tend to concentrate in the cities, and those cities (NYC, Chicago, D.C., LA, Philly, etc.) often have restrictive gun laws and anti-gun attitudes that preclude just about anyone from being an active part of the gun culture. It's simply more difficult for them by virtue of where they live.
 
Not exact numbers but, 75% of the U.S. is white, there are more Latinos than Blacks, and Asians only make up 1.5%. I don't know the size of your class at Front Sight, but this is probably close distribution of race.
 
as a hispanic female in my early 20s, i really dont fit the norm. but i understand the obstacles in wanting to shoot more. i have a college education, but i also have lower paying job than more seasoned in the workforce. i still want to go out and shop, pay my gym membership, feed and walk my dog, go to the movies, ect.

I didn't think it was exceptionally long. Do you carry often, and what is your preferred method of carry? My wife is getting her CCW in a couple weeks, and I've struggled to find her a holster. She doesn't wear a belt, and says she doesn't want to carry it that way anyway. So, perhaps purse carry, but we know the perils of that. What are your thoughts?
 
I believe a lot of minorities own & carry weapons.
I do not believe they are concerned about doing it legally & are not licensed.
You will not see them in CWP class or on the range.
You will see & hear about them on the news.

The range where I usually shoot has a large number of black folks that use it. Many of them have CPL s and train there.
 
I think its more about demographics. I live in Philadelphia and I'm African American and many of my friends and coworkers who are also black, own firearms, but we're law abiding citizens and most of us are licensed to carry. When I go to the range "sometimes" there's more black people there than white. It's the city its like that. Can't base everything on what you see on the news all the time. The thugs that's mostly the younger generation and yes we think they're stupid too. That comes from poor parenting and lack of discipline mostly. Kids having kids.
 

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