Illinois will issue to nonresidents, but only of certain states

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My daughter lives in Chicago, so naturally I planned to apply for an IL nonresident permit.

However:

"The Department shall by rule allow for non-resident license applications from any state or territory of the United States with laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under this Act."

Further: "IL will put out a list of states that have laws similar to theirs that they will issue Non-Resident Permits to."

Does anyone know what requirements Illinois requires be "substantially similar"? Is this stipulation a back-door scheme to avoid issuing to nonresidents? Or does it simply mean that if you had to take a class to get your home state permit, Illinois might honor that training?

Anybody have any details on this?

Thanks.
 
If you get a Non Resident CCW in Ill you can use your ccw in the following states.
But I am not sure what the criteria is.
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont
 
I don't think they have posted it yet. You can bet that if your state does not have any type of training requirement it will not be on the list.
 
Forget about receprocity, that has not been determined. The law passed will allow for a non-resident to obtain a permit. It will cost you $300 for the application and 16 hours of training by a certified IL instructor. You can get 8 hours of credit for being in the military or taking the NRA basic pistol class. Here is the section of the law. Section 60. Fees.

(a) All fees collected under this Act shall be deposited as

provided in this Section. Application, renewal, and

replacement fees shall be non-refundable.

(b) An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall

submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be

apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20

shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and

$10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund.

(c) A non-resident applicant for a new license or renewal

shall submit $300 with the application, of which $250 shall be

apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $40

shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and

$10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund.

Also, if you want to get the training, go to these guys, TSI - Home I have taken three classes from them and it is operated by a cook county sheriff and his cohorts. All solid guys and gals.
 
BamaBoy said:
"The Department shall by rule allow for non-resident license applications from any state ... with laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under this Act."
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What does ". . . applications from any state . . . with laws . . . similar to . . . " The most liberal interpretation is that I can drive to any such state and drop the application in the mailbox. The application is "from" the state from which it is mailed. Somehow, I can't imagine this interpretation will prevail.
So, suppose I am a resident of a state with laws not similar to those of Illinois; yet, I have a non-resident permit from a state that DOES have laws that ARE similar to those of Illinois, and, are recognized as such. Is my application "from" my state of residence? Or, from the state that is recognized that issued my non-resident permit?
Anyone have any insights?
Mark
 
arnetste said:
If you get a Non Resident CCW in Ill you can use your ccw in the following states.
But I am not sure what the criteria is.
Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont
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Vermont has a permit?
 
Short answer is we don't know what that means. We won't know for sure what that means until the ISP starts approving out of state applicants. My understanding is it mainly has to do with mental health reporting.

My personal opinion is the laws of your state shouldn't matter so long as you know and follow the laws of the state of Illinois.


Your best bet is to contact the Illinois State Police and pray they answer. If they do answer, go buy a lottery ticket.
 
BC1 said:
Vermont has a permit?
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I don't think Vermont has a permit, I think what arnetste was saying is that if you get a non resident Illinois permit, Vermont in addition to the other state he listed, will acknowledge the IL out of state permit as a legal permit. I am not confirming nor denying what he is saying other than that is my interpretation of what he said.
 
BC1 said:
Vermont has a permit?
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Wellll, sort of. We have what is called constitutional carry.. You can carry OC or CC long or short. It ts well respected, but there is no paperwork to say that you can. That is a big stumbling block for those who would like reciprocity. All permits are honored in VT, but nobody that I'm aware of allows me to carry in their state.


"If you like your president, you can keep your president"
 
That's an interesting question. NC honors all permits, but I don't know if they accept Vt's "non-permit" carry. Conceal and Carry website says that NC allows Vt's to carry, but I can't find anything specific in NC about that.
 
Interesting statement. The problem may be that, as a resident of VT, I have absolutely no paperwork, no liscence, no addition to my drivers liscence, nothing. I can see where a state that has CC liscences, could pick me up and say that I'm carrying illegally. There is no provision where I can get any sort of state or county paperwork to say "he's OK". If I live here, and no criminal record, I can carry. Local and state Leos don't even ask. Thats why it's called "Constitutional Carry". The 2A guarantees my right to bear arms. Other states just don't see it that way.

"If you like your president, you can keep your president"
 
That didn't even cross my mind. I doubt that my home state of Alabama has criteria satisfactory to Illinois, but what about the criteria required for my Utah, Florida, Maine, Connecticut, Arizona, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire permits? Several of those states require live fire and minimum hours of training; Utah also requires study of self-defense laws.
 
Very good info. The 8 hours for the NRA Basic Pistol can apparently be in a state other than Illinois. I assume that's what they are calling Phase 1. So does Phase 2 training require travel to Illinois, or if, say, you're a certified NRA instructor, do you still need more hours?
 
BamaBoy said:
Very good info. The 8 hours for the NRA Basic Pistol can apparently be in a state other than Illinois. I assume that's what they are calling Phase 1. So does Phase 2 training require travel to Illinois, or if, say, you're a certified NRA instructor, do you still need more hours?
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I think, similar to UT, IL is certifying instructors that can be used.
 
Illinois will be be like NY and CA and never recognize any other states CCL. IL will be to greedy and want the $300 per person for the Non-resident CCL.
 
My understanding is that Vermont does not require or have a permit. you can carry concealed or open freely.
 
BamaBoy said:
My daughter lives in Chicago, so naturally I planned to apply for an IL nonresident permit.

However:

"The Department shall by rule allow for non-resident license applications from any state or territory of the United States with laws related to firearm ownership, possession, and carrying, that are substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under this Act."

Further: "IL will put out a list of states that have laws similar to theirs that they will issue Non-Resident Permits to."

Does anyone know what requirements Illinois requires be "substantially similar"? Is this stipulation a back-door scheme to avoid issuing to nonresidents? Or does it simply mean that if you had to take a class to get your home state permit, Illinois might honor that training?

Anybody have any details on this?

Thanks.
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Substantially similiar has now been defined, well almost anyways. A recent ammendment to the Illinois Carry concealed law which passed the house and senate and is on govs desk for approval reads as such:

"Substantially Similar" means the comparable state regulates who may carry
132 firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public; prohibits all who have involuntary
133 mental health admissions or voluntary within the past 5 years from carrying
134 firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public; reports denied persons to NICS; and
135 participates in reporting persons authorized to carry firearms, concealed or
136 otherwise, in public through NLETs.
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BamaBoy said:
Very good info. The 8 hours for the NRA Basic Pistol can apparently be in a state other than Illinois. I assume that's what they are calling Phase 1. So does Phase 2 training require travel to Illinois, or if, say, you're a certified NRA instructor, do you still need more hours?
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You do not need to travel to Illinois, an Illinois Certified instructor may travel to your state. I am willing to travel out of state if you want to put something together. Feel free to email me and we can talk.

You will need an NRA BP or PPITH PPOTH cert to be exempt from 8 of the 16 hours of training. Or you will need to apply for ISP CCI status with your NRA Instructor cert. If you are an ISP certified CCI, you automatically qualify for Illinois CCL. However your NRA Instructor cert on its' own does not qualify you for your CCL. Make sense?

In short, as of right now unless you become an Illinois Carry Concealed Instructor you will still need 8 hours of training.
 
chicagogunsmith said:
"Substantially Similar" means the comparable state regulates who may carry
132 firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public; prohibits all who have involuntary
133 mental health admissions or voluntary within the past 5 years from carrying
134 firearms, concealed or otherwise, in public; reports denied persons to NICS; and
135 participates in reporting persons authorized to carry firearms, concealed or
136 otherwise, in public through NLETs.
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So it's good they are not requiring training to be considered "substantially similar"....but what is NLET?
 
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