Illinois CCW

golocx4

golocx4

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I just got off the phone with a customer in Illinois. He told me what your Speaker was trying to pull with the mandated CCW rules.
By the time they are finished the only place you will be allowed to CCW is in your own home, (that is if you give yourself permission)


A warning from a New Yorker. Be very alert and get organized NOW! Before it is to late. These anti are zealots and will do and try anything.

If you trust them even a little bit, you are doomed.
 
We're VERY organized. So much so that one of the Machine pols on the floor admitted they don't have the votes for a gun ban so they're going after mags (amendment to a shell bill...it failed). They are trying "the kitchen sink" approach now. Amendment 45 to HB1155, states that no permits may be issued prior to June 2016, providing that IL is in full compliance with NICS improvement act. Can be extended indefinitely. Then theres the psych eval if you wanna get a FOID card and the doubling of the FOID app fee, another amendment to another bill increases it to $50. This crap is going nowhere and when April 9th comes around, there better be a bill on Quinn's desk. He wont sign it, it'll take 60 days to automatically become law, so its a moot point 60 days later when there's no law on June 9th. IL is automatically enjoined from enforcing its current UUW/AUUW statute with regard to carry and transport. Thousands of convicted felons will have their convictions vacated, hit the streets and do what they do best. Thousands, hell, tens of thousands will have grounds for civil rights lawsuits against the state. Pension problem? How about billion dollar lawsuit problem because you violated a convicted (insert felony here) civil rights. they say they need to fix the FOID system. I got an idea, **** can the whole thing. Unfortunately we've been playing this game for a LONG time, and I haven't been at this as long as many others over at IC.

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skinnyb82 it sounds promising for you, don't give up or let up on the pressure.
Here in NY we successfully fended off the anti's for 15 years.
We were warning everyone we could that if the Democrats gained the majority in the NY Senate it would mean curtains for gun rights in NY State.
It is kind of hard to explain to a rural gun owner who is dependent on Govt for either his job or subsidy.
Well in November of 2012 we lost that majority by one seat and on the first day of the session in one swoop they got everything they ever wanted except microstamping.
At least now people are waking up all though it may be too little too late.

We have a similar situation as NY City determines the fate of the state much I how I suppose Chicago affects the state in general. (politically speaking)
Both are run by anti gun zealots.
There is no doubt in my mind that Rahm was the architect behind "Fast and Furious". At that point in time. Nothing and I mean Nothing was done in the White House without his knowledge or permission, and every agency and department answered to him. Being a Napoleonic little shidt has it's implications but we will never know.

Good luck in your efforts, I will be watching as I drive through Ill on my way home to St Louis a couple of times a year.
I have often though of stopping in Indiana and securing my CCW in the trunk before I got to the border but it just never seems to work out.
 
As a resident of IL, I really hope this works out. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of confidence. If they were serious about passing a bill, they would have worked on HB 0995. But they are piecemealing this new one and its dragging on and on. My theory and prediction is..... The antis are dragging this out as long as possible and are putting together a bill that no one will vote on due to restrictions. When they have wasted 178 of the 180 days, Lisa will appeal to the SCOTUS and we will be on hold again. There is no way she will allow this to get to constitutional carry. It has that evil word in it; constitution...
 
0997 hasn't been voted on for a reason. The NRA is playing chess with Madigan. Phelps hasn't called for a vote yet. The more ridiculous garbage that comes out of the Machine, the more likely the fence sitters will jump on our side. Did you see Zalewski arguing for an in fact magazine ban? The look on all of the Reps faces was this look of disgust. Just wait, be patient, if all else fails, Constitutional Carry as early as next month (the June deadline is moot if Quinn won't sign a shall issue bill, don't wanna reveal too much). I'd rather have a shall-issue bill with preemption than Constitutional Carry but I'll take Constitutional Carry if need be. If that happens, the liberals will be begging for a shall-issue bill (Constitutional Carry preempts home rule, that wont stop municipalities from enacting their own unconstitutional laws for which they may be sued...and the LEOs making the arrest, the SA, the CLEO, will all be personally liable so Chicago better budget a couple hundred million for its "Fourth and Fifth Amendment Violation Fund" they'll need every cent) and we'd actually be in a better place to dictate terms. I'm VERY optimistic. I assume you frequent IC as well. This is politics at its ugliest, we WILL prevail. No may issue bills with onerous restrictions and if all else fails, back to CA7 we go.

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Great and sadly true sign golocx4! I can only imagine the one on the fringe of NYC. No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the government is in session. I think Mark Twain said something like that.
 
I've been watching this ILGA closely. The whole situation has me so frustrated. It's amazing the games that Madigan is playing, and he is playing with fire. The clock is ticking, this bill needs to leave the house and pass to the senate still, and then they will make their changes. We are running out of time.

Many people think constitutional carry will be a good thing. I agree with Phelps, It's not going to be good. Phelps made some comments to put it into rationalization of what may come to happen, people open carrying rifles in schools and malls all across the state. Honestly I don't really have a problem with this, what I do havea problem with is every county and city and municipality will write up their own laws and restrictions and it will become a major cluster phuck to understand.

This is why we need a shall issue bill with preemption, anything less will be a nightmare.

I have written, faxed, emailed, called my reps on the state and federal level repeatedly. I have filed witness slips on as many bad bills and amendments as I could. It's to the point that some days it seems like that's all I am doing. My work is really suffering because of the shenanigans of the anti gunners and Mike Madigan.
 
Besides the Chicago-area gangbangers who already carry concealed weapons, I don't see Illinois residents being able to LEGALLY carry concealed weapons any time soon. One court ruling may force a change in the law, but it won't force a change in the mindset of those making the laws. If by some miracle a law is passed, expect it to be may issue, and expect very few, if any permits to actually be issued, sorta like Hawaii.

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Clock is ticking and June 9th the UUC UCW laws are set to expire. If we don't have a carry bill by then, we become constitutional carry state for all the good and the bad that will come with it. No, you are right, it won't force a change in the way anti gunners think but it will take away alot of their ammunition to do anything about it. But they won't stand down and give up June 9th either. They'll do everything in their power, and things not in their legal authority to do, to infringe our rights.

This has been a marathon for us. I only got involved in anything more than wishful thinking 3 years ago. Before then I just accepted what our overlords gave us, scraps for the dogs. But I understand this has been going on for the past 10 years. The pro gunners have already stated they would not vote for a bill unless it is shall issue with preemption. We have the power right now, because we can vote down a bad bill, and revert to constitutional carry. Everyone knows constitutional carry will be a mess, pro gunners and anti gunners alike, so I don't think it'll come down to that.

If you told me a year or two years ago that we are very close to getting a carry bill, I would have accepted the fact that it'd be may issue. Right now with the ball being in our court, I see nothing but shall issue getting passed, I do beleive the home rule amendments on 1155 were voted down anyways. If we get anything besides may issue with preemption there will be ALOT of very very ANGRY VOTERS.
 
tattedupboy said:
Besides the Chicago-area gangbangers who already carry concealed weapons, I don't see Illinois residents being able to LEGALLY carry concealed weapons any time soon. One court ruling may force a change in the law, but it won't force a change in the mindset of those making the laws. If by some miracle a law is passed, expect it to be may issue, and expect very few, if any permits to actually be issued, sorta like Hawaii.

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This is EXACTLY what is going to happen. That's if Lisa doesn't appeal to SCOTUS. And if she does that, Illinois may never see any form of concealed carry. Madigan's plan is to drag the whole thing out long enogh for obammy to change the SCOTUS to his liking. Many say that Lisa won't appeal because she wants to be governor. That's not got anything to do with it. She doesn't need downstate to get elected. History proves this. If Illinoisans are lucky, they MAY have some form of concealed carry similar to Hawaii's in a couple years.
 
I have an idea... Easy. If nothing happens by a certain deadline, Make the FOID card your CPL. No other changes for now. Reciprocity for all other states that issue permits or licenses. Haha.
 
Our problem is that IL is a home rule state as per the state constitution. Home rule municipalities may pass laws stricter than the ones on the books. Problem here (for them) is that when our AUUW/UUW statute is basically erased by CA7's mandate, you really cannot pass a law stricter than a law which does not exist.

Pat Quinn has already stated he won't sign a carry bill, not shall issue, not may issue even if it only gives McCarthy permission to carry (and shoot out street lights) so we need 71 votes to preempt home rule (thanks for changing that one, Madigan), he will veto it, it will go back to the ILGA where it must be overridden...so 71 more votes. Then it can become law without his signature....after 60 days of sitting on his desk and collecting dust all the while there will be idiots carrying ARs on single points into Walmart to go grocery shopping.

Madigan said that when all of this pension stuff (as in him violating the pension clause in the state constitution) is over with and the FY14 budget is done, then he will "allow" HB997 (our shall issue bill) to be voted on. That or Lisa can file cert petition and if cert is granted, her Solicitor General and counsel will be arguing on behalf and the NRA just put Paul Clement on retainer to argue in front of SCOTUS if need be. Scodro had argued 1 case, Clement has argued about 70 cases in front of the Court and is a prof of con law at Georgetown.


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Yup I watched it live. Now it goes to Jello aka Gov Quinn. He can veto it immediately or sit on it and veto it or sign it. Methinks he will sign it so be can get this pension issue addressed. He will anger everyone if he doesnt do anything about that. Anger downstaters if he doesnt sign LTC. Rock and hard place. 16 hrs of training required but DD-214, hunter safety automatically bang out half of that. Utah/Arizona/Florida/other states up to 8 hrs credit. $150 app fee. The problem I have is that the timeframe could result in the first permits being issued next February or March.

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Thanks for the info, skinny. I have CCW permits from 9 states and am a certified NRA pistol instructor. Do you know what else I would have to do to qualify in Illinois, or can you guide me to a link? My daughter lives in Chicago, so it matters to me. I'd appreciate any help or guidance you can give.
 
To bad the don't plan to honer other states CCL. I guess most of us will have to keep on driving around them. If they ever decide the want some of our money as tourist I will be glad to go.
 
They honor non-resident permits right now. As long as you stay in the car you can carry a loaded firearm. Now, if I do that, I will be charged with a felony because I don't have a permit from my home state. The ISRA has filed a motion to enjoin the state from enforcing AUUW/UUW carry related because of that provision. And make the FOID card our carry permit until they actually issue permits. The state is fighting it as usual. I'll try to update. Or go over to the IllinoisCarry forum. See the show for yourself.

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