Ignorant rhetoric by maine citizens against handgun violence

[Maine CWP Training]

Maine Voices: Maine should require background checks on all gun sales
The only effect of such a law would be to make sure customers are legally qualified to buy firearms.

By J. THOMAS FRANKLIN

PORTLAND — Since before "Bert and I," Mainers have been proud of their common sense and common decency.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
J. Thomas Franklin (e-mail: [email protected]) of Portland is president of Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence.

But when the subject is guns, this respect for community often gives way to more self-centered views.

Making safer our food, water, air or job sites is fine, but making gun ownership safer for us all is widely perceived as an assault on inalienable and absolute personal rights.

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Misleading rhetoric by J. Thomas Franklin 12/08/10

Maine gun owners are responsible. Because of that, we enjoy a very low crime rate. It truly amazes me Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence repeatedly attack the NRA and ignore the fact both the NRA, SAM, Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence, Project Safe Neighborhoods and the Department of Justice partnered and endorsed the Maine Gun Sellers Kit.

Perhaps Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence should ask to be removed as one of the sponsors if their main objective is to attack the NRA, the largest civil rights organization on the United States of America.

Maine and the federal government have very strict penalties on the books both criminal and civil for transferring firearms to prohibited persons by statute.

Transfer of an air pistol… to minors is also a crime in Maine. Misleading rhetoric by J. Thomas Franklin, president of a once respected organization infuriates law abiding citizens to no end.

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[OldOwl]

Liberalism is spreading through Maine like a cancer. Like anywhere else it starts in the cities. I own 45 acres in Maine. My buddy has 50 on the other side of my river, and another 50 12 miles away. Most of the people we know who live there own a few acres. I think the massholes are buying up the state. So, since 50% of the voters re elected the dope in the statehouse here in MA, you have to figure, a lot of influential stupidity is moving in there. That's my theory.

 

[nogods]

gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime. If you compare the incident of violent crime to gun control indexes, you'll find that there is no correlation between the two.

For example, Alaska has one of the lowest gun-control rankings but one of the highest rates of violent crime. But Vermont, which like Alaska, has one of the lowest gun control rates also has one of the lowest crime rates. Rhode Island, which has one of the highest gun control rankings, has one of the lowest crime rates.

It's time to stop the rhetoric from both sides of the issue

 

[OldOwl]

gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime.

Try explaining that to the liberal masses.

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[nogods]

Try explaining that to the liberal masses.

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Yes, there is nothing more frustrating than discussing gun control with a person who thinks if all of us are prohibited from owning guns, then criminals won't own guns.

But it is just as frustrating to discuss gun control with someone who thinks that if everyone owned a gun then there would be no crime.

 

[6shootercarry]

gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime. If you compare the incident of violent crime to gun control indexes, you'll find that there is no correlation between the two.

For example, Alaska has one of the lowest gun-control rankings but one of the highest rates of violent crime. But Vermont, which like Alaska, has one of the lowest gun control rates also has one of the lowest crime rates. Rhode Island, which has one of the highest gun control rankings, has one of the lowest crime rates.

It's time to stop the rhetoric from both sides of the issue

Gun control does not work. Gun control makes it harder for the law abiding citizen to possibly get and carry a gun for self defense or for any other purpose. The criminals don't care about laws or restrictions so it makes no difference to them.

The victim who is unarmed is more likely to suffer the effects of violent crime than the potential victim who is armed and can use the firearm effectively...

In MA the permit is a "may" issue. Some towns have police chiefs that will issue unrestricted Class A LTCs (needed to carry the firearm loaded on ones person in a public way). Some of the other chiefs will not, no matter who is applying, issue Class A w/ no restrictions.. How is that restriction working for the good of the tax paying law abiding citizen who has no preclusion for getting the license?

Can't have high capacity magazines (greater than 10 rounds) even though the Class A license permits high capacity. The magazines have to be pre-ban dated or not marked FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. I was looking to get a couple Magpul 30 round PMAGs.. Nope, frigging BS laws..

The stock on a rifle classified as an "assault weapon" has to be fixed and can't be collapsible, unless the weapon is a pre-ban...

I could go on and on with all the ridiculous restrictions and laws that do nothing but create the potential for normal law abiding citizens who choose to buy guns, to become criminals by a simple misinterpretation of needless laws... Shall not be infringed...

So yea, there would be no issue if the gun grabbing liberal left just left...

 

[6shootercarry]

Yes, there is nothing more frustrating than discussing gun control with a person who thinks if all of us are prohibited from owning guns, then criminals won't own guns.

But it is just as frustrating to discuss gun control with someone who thinks that if everyone owned a gun then there would be no crime.

The potential for crime is the reason to have a gun. People's actions can't be predicted and making utopia on earth is never gonna be feasible. It's that free will thing.. The phrase "sh!t happens" was coined for that very reason...

But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (aprox) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...

 

[wooddoctor]

But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (approx) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...

No need to celebrate this socialist. Just like there is no need to celebrate Karl Marx.

How do you know we are not better off??

 

[6shootercarry]

But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (approx) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...

No need to celebrate this socialist. Just like there is no need to celebrate Karl Marx.

How do you know we are not better off??

Needlessly taking any human life makes us no better off...

I like his music and applaud his desire for peace, but don't really align myself with any of his politics...

 

[maybejim]

Kalifornia does it. Hasn't reduced gun crime a bit.

 

[wooddoctor]

Needlessly taking any human life makes us no better off...

I like his music and applaud his desire for peace, but don't really align myself with any of his politics...

taking his life was senseless.
Have you ever listened to "Imagine"? very clever, and subtle. More people Know about that "Marxist" then they know about Pearl Harbor. I use to like the music too until I listened closely to the messages. Are we better of without Saddam or did we open a can of worms?

 

[6shootercarry]

taking his life was senseless.
Have you ever listened to "Imagine"? very clever, and subtle. More people Know about that "Marxist" then they know about Pearl Harbor. I use to like the music too until I listened closely to the messages. Are we better of without Saddam or did we open a can of worms?

Many times... As I stated in my last post, I'm not aligned with his politics. I'm not an expert on WWII history, but find the study of it fascinating.

Needlessly taking human life is perhaps too broad a statement. The evidence that was presented against Saddam painted a picture of an individual who was responsible for the direct or indirect killings and acts of violence against many people. That evidence leads me to answer no to your question. No can of worms opened. We did not kill him directly, he was tried by his own countrymen and citizens and found guilty of and put to death for the crimes he committed. In John's case he had committed no violent crimes, his ideas were socialist and "hippie cultural" in nature and were by no means conservative. Hardly a reason to take his life especially with no immediate or violent provocation.

 

[wooddoctor]

I agree with your points, not to miss lead you, I didnt mean to get your pannies in a wad. I just will not support anyone who has a communist agenda. Including Arnold Swazenneigger I use to watch his movies until I found out his recents gun control position.

Somali Migration to Maine: it’s the welfare magnet, stupid « Refugee Resettlement Watch

Another beautiful state being distroyed be the Libs.

 

[TankGuy]

Badly written newspaper article

Sent this to the publisher of the newspaper.
Interesting article. He makes many references to studies but doesn't provide the source or a link to allow the reader to check those sources.
1. "In Maine and many other states, thousands of guns are sold annually with no background checks and no written records of the transaction, at gun shows and through "private sales" such as through Uncle Henry's. Many of these sales are made in violation of federal law (which prohibits sales to felons, domestic abusers, the mentally ill and other categories) and state law." - source?
2. "For example, despite a recent statewide poll showing more than 88 percent support for requiring background checks of handgun sales at gun shows, the Legislature in 2009 refused to even consider such a bill." - source?
3. "Maine is the No. 1 supplier of crime guns to Massachusetts. Maine's lax gun laws attract drug dealers to Maine, where they can both sell drugs and buy guns, often with drugs as the currency. Maine's high rates of teenage suicide and domestic violence are made worse by easy access to guns. Maine has a gun problem." - source?
4. " Let's enforce existing gun laws! Background checks for all gun transfers would do that, and only that...Enforcement of a mandatory background-check law would be practically free – law enforcement already monitors compliance with background- check laws and illegal sales" This implies that background checks are required by law now but aren't being enforced? Is there an exception for gun shows and personal gun sales?
5. "A California study concluded that every murder costs the state at least $1 million – to prosecute the defendant; usually to pay for his and the prosecution's legal costs; to care for the defendant for many years if not for life; and to compensate the family of the victim and, too often, of police officers injured or killed." - source?
6. "But seriously, Maine deserves better – better laws, better attitudes, better safety. We don't need to wait for a school shooting in Maine, we can do it now and easily." Does Maine's current laws outlaw possession of a firearm on school grounds and firearm possession by anyone under 18 or 21 years of age? If "yes" then Maine schools are "shooting galleries" for anyone with a firearm or other weapon who disobeys the law. Bigger the school the bigger the problem. Armed citizens including teachers or admin at a school would do more to make school safe, unless two policemen can be stationed for 12 hours per day and for evening school events at every school in Maine. Otherwise, there is no one at the school who can take any action against a deranged killer on the school grounds.

:nono::nono:

 

[6shootercarry]

I agree with your points, not to miss lead you, I didnt mean to get your pannies in a wad. I just will not support anyone who has a communist agenda. Including Arnold Swazenneigger I use to watch his movies until I found out his recents gun control position.

Somali Migration to Maine: it’s the welfare magnet, stupid « Refugee Resettlement Watch

Another beautiful state being distroyed be the Libs.

I've switched to thong for that very reason. Less material to wad.:sarcastic:

It's OK, I see it all day and night long here in MA... Haven for illegals and Obama's aunt, all living off the government teat... We have the socialist health care crap already...

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[wooddoctor]

LOL:laugh:

 

[headbeagle]

If you all are worried about Maine going liberal, take a look at your two Senators and fire them. from their voting records they are RINOs (closet Liberals) I was raised in that country and it was a lot more conservative then (30s - 40s) then it is now. Headbeagle