If you are an online purchaser of ammo or firearms-related items....

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You may want to consider this bill (HR 3523) coming up for a vote in a couple days. It could be the end to internet privacy and gubbament may use this bill to spy on you when purchasing firearms, ammo or anything related to it.

The fact is, if passed, CISPA would allow voluntary exchanges of personally identifiable information — including your firearms-related purchasing habits — to ANY government agency that wants it . . .

. . . including Eric Holder’s ATF and Justice Department.

CISPA was also written in broad enough fashion to potentially override every existing privacy law due to a “notwithstanding provision in law” clause that gives companies immunity for sharing your information with government agencies.

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THE ACTUAL BILL:

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Did you read it?

"...with the express consent of a protected entity ..."

They have to have your permission. And the places I buy firearms related stuff from aren't really involved in cybersecurity stuff, so I kinda doubt the government will be seeking them out to analyze the latest cyberthreats. It is rather broadly worded though.
 
To plagiarize a not so correct or famous quote, “Bills, Bills, we don’t need no stinking Bills.”
Does anyone agree with my belief the leftist controlled D.O.J. and A.T.F. and all their leaders have us in a little corner of the vast data base that Big Bro. controls? I maybe paranoid but once I swipe the debt card or order anything on the phone or on line, are they not able to track me if they so desire? How sure are we that the ATF has no idea who has what? If you trade weapons often with a firearms dealer, such as buying what one thinks they might like only to find out it is not what you want, often, as I have done, don’t you think they may ask what is this guy up to? Why does he need so many guns? Is it too out of touch to think they do not have a list of NRA member’s or who buys components from Midway or Dillon?
Is it too farfetched or too consecratory to think they do not have moles in groups such as this? Beginning with the Klinton administration and Brady, I think we headed down the road to National Socialism and these folks, Obama, Holder and the like are just as happy as possum pie to know who, what, when, where and why we do what.
Only if you are a citizen of Mexico, are you exempt from all federal laws in this country.
 
To plagiarize a not so correct or famous quote, “Bills, Bills, we don’t need no stinking Bills.”
Does anyone agree with my belief the leftist controlled D.O.J. and A.T.F. and all their leaders have us in a little corner of the vast data base that Big Bro. controls? I maybe paranoid but once I swipe the debt card or order anything on the phone or on line, are they not able to track me if they so desire? How sure are we that the ATF has no idea who has what? If you trade weapons often with a firearms dealer, such as buying what one thinks they might like only to find out it is not what you want, often, as I have done, don’t you think they may ask what is this guy up to? Why does he need so many guns? Is it too out of touch to think they do not have a list of NRA member’s or who buys components from Midway or Dillon?
Is it too farfetched or too consecratory to think they do not have moles in groups such as this? Beginning with the Klinton administration and Brady, I think we headed down the road to National Socialism and these folks, Obama, Holder and the like are just as happy as possum pie to know who, what, when, where and why we do what.
Only if you are a citizen of Mexico, are you exempt from all federal laws in this country.

I agree with what you say. What is the biggest threat in the way of progress to full blown socialism/marxism/communism? Armed citizens. One would be naive to think big brother wouldn't want intel on all gun owners, their weapons and location.
 
You may want to consider this bill (HR 3523) coming up for a vote in a couple days. It could be the end to internet privacy and gubbament may use this bill to spy on you when purchasing firearms, ammo or anything related to it.

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I oppose our government's intrusion into our private lives, but after reading the bill, I can find nothing to indicate that it would have any power to do this. The bill relates exclusively to "cyber security" and threats to it. From the bill itself, I quote the following:

(3) CYBERSECURITY PROVIDER- The term `cybersecurity provider' means a non-governmental entity that provides goods or services intended to be used for cybersecurity purposes.

(4) CYBERSECURITY PURPOSE- The term `cybersecurity purpose' means the purpose of ensuring the integrity, confidentiality, or availability of, or safeguarding, a system or network, including protecting a system or network from--

`(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or

`(B) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.

(5) CYBERSECURITY SYSTEM- The term `cybersecurity system' means a system designed or employed to ensure the integrity, confidentiality, or availability of, or safeguard, a system or network, including protecting a system or network from--

`(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or

`(B) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.

(6) CYBER THREAT INFORMATION- The term `cyber threat information' means information directly pertaining to a vulnerability of, or threat to a system or network of a government or private entity, including information pertaining to the protection of a system or network from--

`(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or

`(B) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.


I just don't see where it speaks to tracking or reporting on Internet transactions.

MilShooter
 
That was one reason I put that in there to see if anyone could find anything that coincides with what NAGR is saying. I don't put it past govt to leave it open ended enough to allow them to spy on internet purchasing though. I guess we won't know until they start targeting gun and ammo consumers.
 
That was one reason I put that in there to see if anyone could find anything that coincides with what NAGR is saying. I don't put it past govt to leave it open ended enough to allow them to spy on internet purchasing though. I guess we won't know until they start targeting gun and ammo consumers.

"Open ended" is one way to put it. Probably the most polite way that will pass the auto-censors here at USACarry. Never trust any part of this government, not the righties, not the lefties, not the Republicans, not the Democrats, not your perceived "good" state delegation to Congress, not anyone else's. They're all power-hungry, liberty-killing beasts. This is the problem with CISPA as it was passed, not as it was debated up until just a few minutes before the vote on it:

[Emphasis mine below - .pdf of actual adopted amendments at link]
Insanity: CISPA Just Got Way Worse, And Then Passed On Rushed Vote

from the this-is-crazy dept

Update: Several people have asserted that Quayle's amendment actually made CISPA better, not worse. I've now posted my thoughts on that. [Blues' note: This link is heavily-suggested reading.]

Up until this afternoon, the final vote on CISPA was supposed to be tomorrow. Then, abruptly, it was moved up today—and the House voted in favor of its passage with a vote of 248-168. But that's not even the worst part.

The vote followed the debate on amendments, several of which were passed. Among them was an Link Removed (pdf and embedded below—scroll to amendment #6) to the definition of what the government can do with shared information, put forth by Rep. Quayle. Astonishingly, it was described as limiting the government's power, even though it in fact expands it by adding more items to the list of acceptable purposes for which shared information can be used. Even more astonishingly, it passed with a near-unanimous vote. The CISPA that was just approved by the House is much worse than the CISPA being discussed as recently as this morning.

Previously, CISPA allowed the government to use information for "cybersecurity" or "national security" purposes. Those purposes have not been limited or removed. Instead, three more valid uses have been added: investigation and prosecution of cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children. Cybersecurity crime is defined as any crime involving network disruption or hacking, plus any violation of the CFAA.

Basically this means CISPA can no longer be called a cybersecurity bill at all. The government would be able to search information it collects under CISPA for the purposes of investigating American citizens with complete immunity from all privacy protections as long as they can claim someone committed a "cybersecurity crime". Basically it says the 4th Amendment does not apply online, at all. Moreover, the government could do whatever it wants with the data as long as it can claim that someone was in danger of bodily harm, or that children were somehow threatened—again, notwithstanding absolutely any other law that would normally limit the government's power.

Somehow, incredibly, this was described as limiting CISPA, but it accomplishes the exact opposite. This is very, very bad.

There were some good amendments adopted too—clarifying some definitions, including the fact that merely violating a TOS does not constitute unauthorized network access—but frankly none of them matter in the light of this change. CISPA is now a completely unsupportable bill that rewrites (and effectively eliminates) all privacy laws for any situation that involves a computer. Far from the defense against malevolent foreign entities that the bill was described as by its authors, it is now an explicit attack on the freedoms of every American.

As far as I was concerned before anyone ever heard of "CISPA," the 4th Amendment was already dead what with warrantless wiretaps, TSA searches, and the list goes on and on. I don't think this bill puts us in any worse a situation than we were before really, but it does add another layer of protections for government abuses that were already all but impenetrable by The People.

Blues
 
That was one reason I put that in there to see if anyone could find anything that coincides with what NAGR is saying. I don't put it past govt to leave it open ended enough to allow them to spy on internet purchasing though. I guess we won't know until they start targeting gun and ammo consumers.

Ya gota pass it to know what is in it!!
 
How can you tell when a bottom feeder is Lying??

I know how to tell if this POTUS is lying, he has his mouth open and talking. Did anyone see how presidential he was tonight with his Freedom of the Press dinner tonight? He made the Dean Martin Roasts look like amateur night. I could only stand to watch him and his government press for three minutes. I have not been this sick since Buba Klinton and Biliary were flipping us off for eight years. What a leader. He also made a wonderful joke about the Secret Service; it is all such fun and games with this guy. He is only serious when he is challenging the SCOTUS’ authority over him. The world is a safer place now; they are all laughing so hard they can’t do anything.
 

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