telpinaro...the "reasonable man" doctrine is very subjective. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the OP was within her right the jury will still be the eyes of the "reasonable man". "Reasonable man" is not something a prosecutor or cops decide on as evidenced by the Zimmerman trial in Florida. The jury ultimately had to decide what would be going through the mind of a "reasonable man" and they decided correctly. The OJ Simpson jury on the other hand decided very incorrectly. The jury system is quite flawed and the justice system can sometimes be quite corrupt I probably wasn't real clear.
If I Shoot First And Ask Questions Later
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whodat2710
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In short there is a different "reasonable man" with every jury selection, and he will lean far to the left in some states, and far to the right in others. In Kalifornia, Zimmerman is in jail, evidence be damned.
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I've moved to a different city and began college, they don't know where I'm at for now. I was going to move to New England where some of my family is at, but the man's wife can't have any more children and he has one daughter, and begged me to stay and says he wants visitation and wants to be a part of my baby's life. I feel like I'm betraying my child if I take it from the father but his wife's entire family hates me and resents my pregnancy and if they remain together I would be afraid for it to stay with them. They hate each other and fight constantly, she screams and breaks things, physically attacks him and even if I could deal with my child being around that I don't want her and her family making it feel like there's something wrong with it or making it feel ashamed because of what it's parents did. Even though he pays the bills, everything is in her name and he recently bought a two story house and big piece of land that he has put a lot of work into, on top of the fact that everyone there knows them, it's a small town and he's surrounded by them and works with her entire family. If he left her he would have to move and leave his own family and work somewhere else just to escape them, he'd have to start over from scratch. Which I suppose that's too much to hope for anyway. When his wife was calling me and harassing me that's what she was bragging about, all the physical things in his life she has control of. I've lost everything because of the situation but I guess deep down I'm hoping after college when I have "more to offer" and I have his child he'll feel safer leaving her, unless he likes being abused by a crazy person.
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Don't betray yourself or your child. No one has to take abuse. No one has the right to abuse another either. Get out of harm's way first and foremost.
AndeyHall
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I was about to ask if Jerry Springer still came on TV.
NeedingAdvice
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That's actually what I said in one of the lighter moments..."This feels like an episode of Springer!"
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Firefighterchen
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If God chooses to bring a man who has committed adultery, broken his marriage, and who knows what else, into his daughters life, that's up to God. All sin has been forgiven, so it's not my place to judge what God's plan is....
But if YOU decide to go back and take your daughter into that violent sinful world...I wouldn't expect any sympathy, from us or a jury.
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Evel_Knievel
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Sorry, you guys are going to think I'm making money off this book. Truth is, I'm not. I just bought and read it and find it to be invaluable information.
OP you should read Link Removed
It has some really useful information in it. And it was written by a defense attorney.
OP you should read Link Removed
It has some really useful information in it. And it was written by a defense attorney.
golddigger14s
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What I'm going to post down below was typed prior to reading the entire post. When I read that ***** about "oh he reads the bible, he's a great American ****", I almost got ill. Get the **** away from that whole ****** up dysfunctional inbred family as far as you can.
Typed earlier (hopefully other women will read this, and learn something):
WOW!!! Get pepper spray till 21, get someone to escort you, just do something. An RO is just a piece of paper, and will do nothing to even slow down animals like this. These type of people will not sit, and wait for you to call 911 (when seconds count, the police are minutes away). You may not be able to carry till you are 21, but that doesn't stop you from learning how to shoot and handle a gun. Consult with a doctor on how far you can go in your pregnancy as to actual gun firing. You can still do the mental learning of laws in your state, and you can do dry fire drills to at least get some muscle memory started. Use an airsoft gun if you have to for practice. You can learn how to clean (without chemicals while pregnant), disassemble, and reassemble the gun. There is condition for self defense called "disparity of force" when employing a gun, which basically means that it doesn't matter if the assailant(s) has a weapon or not if you believe you are in danger of serious bodily injury/death. Example; old guy vs. group of teenage punks, girl with severe cranial injury vs. strong healthy girl. I don't even want to know how you ended up in the middle of nowhere with these people in the first place.
Situational awareness, and knowledge are your biggest weapons.
Typed earlier (hopefully other women will read this, and learn something):
WOW!!! Get pepper spray till 21, get someone to escort you, just do something. An RO is just a piece of paper, and will do nothing to even slow down animals like this. These type of people will not sit, and wait for you to call 911 (when seconds count, the police are minutes away). You may not be able to carry till you are 21, but that doesn't stop you from learning how to shoot and handle a gun. Consult with a doctor on how far you can go in your pregnancy as to actual gun firing. You can still do the mental learning of laws in your state, and you can do dry fire drills to at least get some muscle memory started. Use an airsoft gun if you have to for practice. You can learn how to clean (without chemicals while pregnant), disassemble, and reassemble the gun. There is condition for self defense called "disparity of force" when employing a gun, which basically means that it doesn't matter if the assailant(s) has a weapon or not if you believe you are in danger of serious bodily injury/death. Example; old guy vs. group of teenage punks, girl with severe cranial injury vs. strong healthy girl. I don't even want to know how you ended up in the middle of nowhere with these people in the first place.
Situational awareness, and knowledge are your biggest weapons.
