Idiot Proofing a Glock

[bofh]

From The Gadget — A Striker Control Device:

The Striker Control Device was created and patented by Tom Jones & Todd Green to provide an added level of safety when holstering a striker-fired gun. The first implementation of this technology is the “Gadget” for Glocks.

The Gadget Striker Control Device will be produced and sold through Tau Development Group.

The Gadget replaces the standard slide plate on the back of your Glock with an all-steel passive Striker Control Device. When thumb pressure is being applied to the Gadget (such as when holstering) it blocks the motion of the striker, which blocks the motion of the trigger bar, which prevents the trigger from being pulled.

The Gadget Striker Control Device is completely passive in nature. It does not “lock” or otherwise interfere with the normal action of the pistol unless physical force is being purposely applied by the user. When using any normal firing grip, the Gadget is not engaged and your Glock fires as normal with no additional steps needed when drawing.

The Gadget was inspired by standard procedures for hammer-fired guns. Users are taught to keep pressure on the hammer while holstering. This way the trigger cannot accidentally be engaged and the gun is prevented from firing in the event that anything (finger, shirt, thumb break, jacket tab, etc.) finds its way into the trigger guard. The Gadget provides this same capability but on a striker-fired gun, in this case a Glock.

The Gadget provides an extra layer of safety when holstering. It is not intended to replace awareness and safe gun handling. But it creates an additional link in the chain to help avoid accidents.

This is the perfect device for people with preconceived notions about striker-fired handguns with no safety and who don't know better, those with little-to-no training. I know one specific training drill that would render a Glock with this device useless. I wonder if anyone in this forum knows what that drill is.

 

[corneileous]

From The Gadget — A Striker Control Device:

This is the perfect device for people with preconceived notions about striker-fired handguns with no safety and who don't know better, those with little-to-no training. I know one specific training drill that would render a Glock with this device useless. I wonder if anyone in this forum knows what that drill is.

I disagree. This is not the perfect device for anybody who carries striker-fired pistols that rely solely on trigger-safeties.

I don't know what training drill you're talking about, apparently no one else does either or maybe they just don't care to answer but, it don't take a genius to figure out that one possibility would be an attacker keeping the gun from firing while trying to grab it away but, I dunno, since it's been almost three days since you posted your thread, how about telling us what specific training drill your referring to?

 

[bofh]

The training drill obviously involves applying pressure to the back of the slide, right where that stupid device is, and firing the gun, which is exactly what the device prevents.

The purpose of this procedure is to prevent the gun from going out of battery when performing a contact shot or to prevent an assailant from pushing the slide out of battery. There are two different techniques: (1) use the firing hand thumb to apply the pressure or (2) use the support hand. Since this technique also prevents the gun from cycling, the immediately following procedure is to rack the slide.

 

[bofh]

The support hand technique can be seen in the beginning of this video:

 

[HKS]

I believe Glocks are for cops and for nobody else.

Too bad they are so popular.

 

[corneileous]

The training drill obviously involves applying pressure to the back of the slide, right where that stupid device is, and firing the gun, which is exactly what the device prevents.

The purpose of this procedure is to prevent the gun from going out of battery when performing a contact shot or to prevent an assailant from pushing the slide out of battery. There are two different techniques: (1) use the firing hand thumb to apply the pressure or (2) use the support hand. Since this technique also prevents the gun from cycling, the immediately following procedure is to rack the slide.

Hmm, I didn't know you could fire a semi auto like that. I take it this is only a Glock thing or does this method of firing work on other striker-fired pistols, with or without a slide-mounted safety?

This is a good video but, in all honesty, if somebody is paying attention and is constantly aware of their surroundings, they'll more than likely have the attacker shot and on the ground bleedin' before before they even get close enough to get a hand on their gun.

 

[corneileous]

I believe Glocks are for cops and for nobody else.

Too bad they are so popular.

Why? First off, it's not just Glocks, it's pretty much any pistol that relies solely on a trigger safety that is relatively easy to have a negligent discharge if anything gets caught on the trigger. Even the Springfield's, with their grip safety. I mean, is there a different way to grip that pistol when you holster it, that I don't know about, so that you keep from depressing it just in case the trigger gets caught on something?

 

[bofh]

Hmm, I didn't know you could fire a semi auto like that. I take it this is only a Glock thing or does this method of firing work on other striker-fired pistols, with or without a slide-mounted safety?

This works with any semi-auto handgun that doesn't have an exposed hammer, including other striker-fired handguns and handguns with internal hammers.

This is a good video but, in all honesty, if somebody is paying attention and is constantly aware of their surroundings, they'll more than likely have the attacker shot and on the ground bleedin' before before they even get close enough to get a hand on their gun.

There is a difference between wishful thinking and reality. If you want to depend your life on wishful thinking, that's your problem. Real life is different. In many armed robbery cases, the attacker is close to its victim as the victim either didn't pay attention and/or the attacker didn't pose a threat initially.

Take a force-on-force class and your view will change quickly.

 

[bofh]

I believe Glocks are for cops and for nobody else.

Too bad they are so popular.

Yet another post that makes zero sense. Why do you believe Glocks are for cops and for nobody else? Oh, I forgot, you have conveniently put me on your ignore list, so that you don't have to reply when I challenge your nonsensical posts. At least this way, the other forum members can see that your posts are ignorant trolling.

 

[corneileous]

This works with any semi-auto handgun that doesn't have an exposed hammer, including other striker-fired handguns and handguns with internal hammers.

So in other words, this won't work on my Beretta Storm since it has an external hammer on the back of the slide?

I'm actually kind of afraid to try this with my Ruger, I don't want to break my thumb if it happens to not work.

Originally Posted by corneileous
This is a good video but, in all honesty, if somebody is paying attention and is constantly aware of their surroundings, they'll more than likely have the attacker shot and on the ground bleedin' before before they even get close enough to get a hand on their gun.

There is a difference between wishful thinking and reality. If you want to depend your life on wishful thinking, that's your problem. Real life is different. In many armed robbery cases, the attacker is close to its victim as the victim either didn't pay attention and/or the attacker didn't pose a threat initially.

Reread my post. I said more than likely. I didn't say it was a totally, 100%, fool-proof fail-safe.

Nobody knows what will happen or how any attack will go down but always being in your guard, especially when open carrying, will minimize your chances of letting an attacker get too close to grab your gun.

Take a force-on-force class and your view will change quickly.

Would love to if one came to town. May have to look at an online course or something.

 

[bofh]

So in other words, this won't work on my Beretta Storm since it has an external hammer on the back of the slide?

I'm actually kind of afraid to try this with my Ruger, I don't want to break my thumb if it happens to not work.

There is that statement about don't try this out yourself at home. Take a traning class if you want to learn how and when to do this.

Watch the video below about doing this with a 10mm Glock 20 and warm 10 mm Blazer Brass ammo (1050 fps/490 ft-lb). The reason why the support hand method hurt in this case was that he didn't apply enough pressure. If there is not enough pressure the locked breech mechanism unlocks and the slide will cycle.

Reread my post. I said more than likely. I didn't say it was a totally, 100%, fool-proof fail-safe.

Nobody knows what will happen or how any attack will go down but always being in your guard, especially when open carrying, will minimize your chances of letting an attacker get too close to grab your gun.

Right, as far as the uncertainty of an attack goes. The open carry statement is out of place and may lead into an entirely different discussion.

Would love to if one came to town. May have to look at an online course or something.

Force-on-force classes can't be taken online or by watching a DVD. The purpose of such classes is in their name. You will be carrying a handgun that fires training ammunition. You will be wearing protective gear. You will have to make shoot/don't shoot decisions in real life scenarios and actually shoot people.

The introductory part of such classes uses blue guns instead of training ammunition. This also means that you don't need the protective gear. Cheaper versions of such classes may only use blue guns. This is an advanced defensive handgun class that should be taken by people that have successfully completed the prerequisite defensive handgun classes.

 

[corneileous]

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Right, as far as the uncertainty of an attack goes. The open carry statement is out of place and may lead into an entirely different discussion.

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Well, I think it's pretty self-explanatory as to what I meant. I wasn't dogging open carry even though it's not something I would do in public while running around town, I was just merely stating that when you do open carry, people are gonna see it. You're gonna stick out more. Whether open carrying that will act as a deterrent or an attractant depends on the attacker. That's why it's wise to be a lot more aware of your surroundings and on your guard a lot more.

If anyone wants to take what I said outta context regarding open carry, that's their problem as I can't control what people think.

But anyway, hopefully that's cleared up so, back to the topic at hand.

 

[HKS]

Why? First off, it's not just Glocks, it's pretty much any pistol that relies solely on a trigger safety that is relatively easy to have a negligent discharge if anything gets caught on the trigger. Even the Springfield's, with their grip safety. I mean, is there a different way to grip that pistol when you holster it, that I don't know about, so that you keep from depressing it just in case the trigger gets caught on something?

Any Glock or Glock-clone ... sure ... I agree ... they are all equally hazardous.

 

[bofh]

Well, I think it's pretty self-explanatory as to what I meant. I wasn't dogging open carry even though it's not something I would do in public while running around town, I was just merely stating that when you do open carry, people are gonna see it. You're gonna stick out more. Whether open carrying that will act as a deterrent or an attractant depends on the attacker. That's why it's wise to be a lot more aware of your surroundings and on your guard a lot more.

If anyone wants to take what I said outta context regarding open carry, that's their problem as I can't control what people think.

But anyway, hopefully that's cleared up so, back to the topic at hand.

I fully understood what you meant. What I meant was that you are changing the topic of this thread to something that has already been discussed over and over again in the open carry sub forum. There was simply no need to bring it up here.

 

[corneileous]

Originally posted by corneileous
Nobody knows what will happen or how any attack will go down but always being in your guard, especially when open carrying, will minimize your chances of letting an attacker get too close to grab your gun.

I fully understood what you meant. What I meant was that you are changing the topic of this thread to something that has already been discussed over and over again in the open carry sub forum. There was simply no need to bring it up here.

Sorry but me harmlessly saying someone should be more aware of their surroundings when they open carry is hardly changing the topic. You're making this out to be more than what it should be by scolding me over a simple combination of two words.

 

[bofh]

Sorry but me harmlessly saying someone should be more aware of their surroundings when they open carry is hardly changing the topic. You're making this out to be more than what it should be by scolding me over a simple combination of two words.

What if I told you that I simply don't share your opinion? What if I told you that I do not wish to discuss that I don't share your opinion in this thread as it would change the topic of this thread to the usual open carry topic that has been discussed over and over and over again? Is that so difficult to understand?

There was simply no need to bring up the topic of open carry as the argument you presented applies to both, open and concealed carry. If you have the opinion that open carry makes one somehow more vulnerable to an attack or to someone stealing your gun, then there are numerous existing open carry threads that you can post your opinion in.

The original topic of this thread is the invention of a stupid device that is meant for stupid people that have little-to-no training, i.e., your average police officer. The device interferes with the advanced handgun fighting technique that I mentioned. There are other critical comments one can make about that device, such as keeping your thumb on the back of the slide is a stupid drawing/holstering technique as the shooter does not create a full grip and needs to change/adjust it during the draw/holstering.

 

[corneileous]

What if I told you that I simply don't share your opinion?

Ok. Duly noted. I'll ask it again... Why are you continuing to make this into something bigger than it needs to? Feeling the need to senselessly and needlessly argue over nothing?

What if I told you that I do not wish to discuss that I don't share your opinion in this thread as it would change the topic of this thread to the usual open carry topic that has been discussed over and over and over again?

So then what do you call this??? You sure are blabbering on and on and on about something you wish to not discuss.

Is that so difficult to understand?

What, that you're making a mountain out of a molehill? Oh yeah I got it, clear as a bell....[emoji106]

There was simply no need to bring up the topic....

Again, me simply mentioning the term as an example is NOT changing the subject. Your rambling on and on about your disapproval of two words is what's changing the subject.

.....of open carry as the argument you presented applies to both, open and concealed carry. If you have the opinion that open carry makes one somehow more vulnerable to an attack or to someone stealing your gun, then there are numerous existing open carry threads that you can post your opinion in.

I'd rather not.

The original topic of this thread is the invention of a stupid device...

Then let's keep it that way. STFU with your pointless arguing about something completely harmless I said in one of my posts.

 

[HKS]

Sorry but me harmlessly saying someone should be more aware of their surroundings when they open carry is hardly changing the topic. You're making this out to be more than what it should be by scolding me over a simple combination of two words.

You are right. Someone in O/C mode definitely needs to be even more vigilant.

In O/C mode everyone can see the gun and where it is.

It is easier to grab and wrestle away in O/C mode.

This is why concealed carry mode is a much better idea.

 

[corneileous]

You are right. Someone in O/C mode definitely needs to be even more vigilant.

In O/C mode everyone can see the gun and where it is.

It is easier to grab and wrestle away in O/C mode.

This is why concealed carry mode is a much better idea.

I agree but that's neither here nor there.

 

[bofh]

Ok. Duly noted. I'll ask it again... Why are you continuing to make this into something bigger than it needs to? Feeling the need to senselessly and needlessly argue over nothing?


So then what do you call this??? You sure are blabbering on and on and on about something you wish to not discuss.

What, that you're making a mountain out of a molehill? Oh yeah I got it, clear as a bell....[emoji106]


Again, me simply mentioning the term as an example is NOT changing the subject. Your rambling on and on about your disapproval of two words is what's changing the subject.


I'd rather not.



Then let's keep it that way. STFU with your pointless arguing about something completely harmless I said in one of my posts.

You should have directed this post at yourself. After all, it is you continuing this with accusations against me. You are making a mountain out of a molehill with your continuous blabbering and rambling. How about you STFU with your pointless arguing. I guess you won't be able to STFU and I will see another useless off-topic reply from you.

Regarding HKS's OC vs. CC post, I told you so. Now, we have this troll chiming in.