I Try to Follow the Rules, but You Just Can’t Make This ***** Up!!

[GlockOwner]

I was planning an automobile trip from North Carolina to Oklahoma to visit a family member. I hold a North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit, which is recognized by 36 states. I was to start on Interstate 40 West, and cross into Tennessee. Then, in Nashville, Tennessee, I planned on taking the “northern” route, heading northwest on Interstate 24, and crossing into Kentucky. I was to get off onto State Highway 60/Local Route 1290.

Here’s where it gets simply crazy.

State Highway 60 crosses over the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, and turns into 60/62/51 in a 1.6 mile bridge that enters Illinois at Cairo, Illinois at the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers at the farthest south-eastern tip of Illinois (Google Maps it). The Cairo Mississippi River Bridge is the only bridge which crosses the Mississippi River anywhere close to the area. The next closest bridge over the Mississippi is on Interstate Highway 155, 85 miles south in Caruthersville, Missouri. As you may know, Illinois is one of the most anti-gun states in the US, and does not recognize any state’s CHP, nor issue them to their own citizens.

Even if I stop, unload, and lock up the weapon in my trunk under the Federal Firearms Protection act, Illinois is known to be decidedly anti-gun.

At the end of the 1.6 mile Cairo Mississippi River Bridge, highway 60/62/51 empties into Missouri. While the highway turns into Interstate 44, barley misses Kansas, it travels uneventfully through Missouri and then into Oklahoma.

My question is, how is it that one state, say Illinois or New York, can act as a gate keeper to large areas of the U.S. where the gun laws are much more reasonable? :stop:

 

[maine04619]

If you are not allowed to carry there then do not carry there. Simple...

 

[macmanjim]

I was planning an automobile trip from North Carolina to Oklahoma to visit a family member. I hold a North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit, which is recognized by 36 states. I was to start on Interstate 40 West, and cross into Tennessee. Then, in Nashville, Tennessee, I planned on taking the “northern” route, heading northwest on Interstate 24, and crossing into Kentucky. I was to get off onto State Highway 60/Local Route 1290.

Here’s where it gets simply crazy.

State Highway 60 crosses over the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, and turns into 60/62/51 in a 1.6 mile bridge that enters Illinois at Cairo, Illinois at the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers at the farthest south-eastern tip of Illinois (Google Maps it). The Cairo Mississippi River Bridge is the only bridge which crosses the Mississippi River anywhere close to the area. The next closest bridge over the Mississippi is on Interstate Highway 155, 85 miles south in Caruthersville, Missouri. As you may know, Illinois is one of the most anti-gun states in the US, and does not recognize any state’s CHP, nor issue them to their own citizens.

Even if I stop, unload, and lock up the weapon in my trunk under the Federal Firearms Protection act, Illinois is known to be decidedly anti-gun.

At the end of the 1.6 mile Cairo Mississippi River Bridge, highway 60/62/51 empties into Missouri. While the highway turns into Interstate 44, barley misses Kansas, it travels uneventfully through Missouri and then into Oklahoma.

My question is, how is it that one state, say Illinois or New York, can act as a gate keeper to large areas of the U.S. where the gun laws are much more reasonable? :stop:

If you lock up the gun and ammo separately, you shouldn't have an issue. All states have to allow people to travel through with firearms as long as the firearms and ammo are locked up separately, even NY and IL. If you don't like it, don't go through NY or IL.

 

[maybejim]

If you lock up the gun and ammo separately, you shouldn't have an issue. All states have to allow people to travel through with firearms as long as the firearms and ammo are locked up separately, even NY and IL. If you don't like it, don't go through NY or IL.

If you don't like it, write the gun organizations in those states and complain. If they are working to get their laws to conform to the Constitution, send them some money.

 

[macmanjim]

If you don't like it, write the gun organizations in those states and complain. If they are working to get their laws to conform to the Constitution, send them some money.

I don't give a crap. I wouldn't live in IL and I gave up on NY long ago. As far as money goes, it's never enough. That's why I don't belong to the NRA. The dues is never enough and they hassled me during dinner time once too often. If they need more money, raise the dues or learn to work with what they get.

 

[maybejim]

I wouldn't live in IL

That's peachy keen but we were talking about driving through not living there.

why I don't belong to the NRA.

Brilliant. Don't help any group that might be working to improve our gun laws. I guess that's what's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. I assume you're one of those folks who like to complain about stuff but who are never willing to help solve the problem.

 

[WB9IIE]

You are right. This is a crock of bovine excrement!

 

[WB9IIE]

QUOTE=maine04619;337748]If you are not allowed to carry there then do not carry there. Simple...[/QUOTE]

The problem is that the bridge between Kentucky and Illinois is a two lane bridge on a two lane road, and there is nowhere safe to stop, make yourself legal on that route. Same with U.S. 60 from Illinois into Missouri.:nono:

 

[macmanjim]

That's peachy keen but we were talking about driving through not living there.



Brilliant. Don't help any group that might be working to improve our gun laws. I guess that's what's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. I assume you're one of those folks who like to complain about stuff but who are never willing to help solve the problem.

I'm one of those people who get sick and tired of someone not respecting me or family time for a few sheckelsl even after telling them so and they still called after I left.

I avoid driving through IL too, like I avoid flying because of the TSA.

 

[father-of-three]

States have their laws, sometimes they change for the better, sometimes not. I drove over 1200 miles to the Florida panhandle last year and was legal the whole way with carrying my firearm except for 11 miles where interstate 81 goes through Maryland. I made the adjustment and made sure I was not breaking Maryland's laws. It's extra work, but that's what is required to be lawful. I have been told that states like Illinois, making less, or no stops at all is safer with regards to interpretation of the federal law. Some states treat a loaded magazine as a loaded weapon. Know what you can and can't do in each state you travel through. I know it's a matter of law enforcement opinion, but try not to give them an obvious reason to pull you over. Theoretically, if you are pulled over and your firearm is unloaded and locked away out of view, you are still abiding by the law regarding the firearm.

 

[TlWheatley]

Go to the state website. Print out their transporting law and leave it in your car follow it. I had to show a Illinois cop the law once.a

 

[maybejim]

I'm one of those people who get sick and tired of someone not respecting me or family time for a few sheckelsl even after telling them so and they still called after I left.

I avoid driving through IL too, like I avoid flying because of the TSA.

Did you read the original post?

 

[txhkman]

Stay on 40, go to Memphis and take 55 north and avoid the Illini. Lamenting the issue won't change reality. When I picked up my nephew, I called the atty general of Ohio to make sure I was legal. I couldn't conceal carry with my tx chl but I could open carry anywhere in the state. And, going to ohio state where they ban guns on campus shut me down, so I decided it was safer not to take my gun with me rather than being arrested 1200 miles from home. No complaints, just accept reality. BTW, I was in ky visiting my parents and right across the river from Ohio. So I just left it at their house. I'm working on my Utah permit.

 

[Nightmare45]

Plan a safe trip that avoids you spending one dime in IL, NY or CA. Enjoy your travel, if you want to avoid lines in airports fly with a weapon in your checked bags.

 

[Treo]

The problem is that the bridge between Kentucky and Illinois is a two lane bridge on a two lane road, and there is nowhere safe to stop, make yourself legal on that route. Same with U.S. 60 from Illinois into Missouri.:nono:

So, I assume you've crossed this bridge right? how long in miles would the OP actually be in Illinois?

 

[jg1967]

To the OP: It's not supposed to be possible for you to do this legally. You are supposed to just roll over and leave your gun at home. Which is what the antis had in mind all along with carry restrictions and the anti gun States, too.

My local airport does not allow firearms on the property yet you can check one in at the airline counter. How can you possibly do that? Teleport there? Airdrop?

 

[walt629]

My question is, how is it that one state, say Illinois or New York, can act as a gate keeper to large areas of the U.S. where the gun laws are much more reasonable?

Judging by the responses here already, I'd say reading comprehension is still a major issue in our world.

The fact that all states are allowed to establish laws that may or may not jive with the surrounding states is their right and is in compliance to the COnstitution as set forth by the 10th Amendment. The geographic lay of the land is what can some times lead to the scenario you encountered, plane and simple. I don't know what you mean by 'gate keeper' in you OP but at least you recognize the problem you will encounter. How you react to that issue will determine your character and the outcome of the trip.

But I have to ask myself "what is the possibility of being stopped inside Illinois borders in that short distance of road way. Knowing the penalties I could incur, I'd pull off somewhere along Halloway Road, cross the bridge, stop at Fort Defiance and soak up some history, then continue on and "re-saddle up" somewhere around Levee Road.

Some would say that there needs to be a nation wide or federal issued gun carry permit. From my point of view, while it might change the reciprocity issues if all states were forced to comply with the Constitution, my thought is a "federal" permit would only give the fed more personal information (as if they don't know too much already) and more power over the issuance of permits.

Keep in mind that registration is the first step to confiscation. One only needs to look at pre WWII Germany to see the proof of that statement. Gun control in any form, whether it be registration of carry permitting, is not about controlling the guns. It is all about controlling you.

Hope your trip goes / went well.

 

[GlockOwner]

So, I assume you've crossed this bridge right? how long in miles would the OP actually be in Illinois?

1.6 miles I believe. I decided not to go that way....

 

[CrankyRebel1776]

That's why I don't belong to the NRA. The dues is never enough and they hassled me during dinner time once too often. If they need more money, raise the dues or learn to work with what they get

Without the NRA you wouldn't have any gun rights right now!

 

[S&W645]

Judging by the responses here already, I'd say reading comprehension is still a major issue in our world.

The fact that all states are allowed to establish laws that may or may not jive with the surrounding states is their right and is in compliance to the COnstitution as set forth by the 10th Amendment. The geographic lay of the land is what can some times lead to the scenario you encountered, plane and simple. I don't know what you mean by 'gate keeper' in you OP but at least you recognize the problem you will encounter. How you react to that issue will determine your character and the outcome of the trip.

But I have to ask myself "what is the possibility of being stopped inside Illinois borders in that short distance of road way. Knowing the penalties I could incur, I'd pull off somewhere along Halloway Road, cross the bridge, stop at Fort Defiance and soak up some history, then continue on and "re-saddle up" somewhere around Levee Road.

Some would say that there needs to be a nation wide or federal issued gun carry permit. From my point of view, while it might change the reciprocity issues if all states were forced to comply with the Constitution, my thought is a "federal" permit would only give the fed more personal information (as if they don't know too much already) and more power over the issuance of permits.

Keep in mind that registration is the first step to confiscation. One only needs to look at pre WWII Germany to see the proof of that statement. Gun control in any form, whether it be registration of carry permitting, is not about controlling the guns. It is all about controlling you.

Hope your trip goes / went well.

Problem is, if you have ever bought a gun since the Form 4473 came out, if the shop/store you bought it in changed owners, or went out of business the Feds already have the A/D Books of that shop.