I lost my SC CWP due too charges


I read this post when you first posted it on the forums it seems you have edited it. The full above post went on to say how the child attacked you and ripped your shirt and you held her down. You then went on to say how the child is telling people you jumped on her and started beating her and how you would not do that because you helped raise her most of her life. Can i ask why you edited the above post and took out that information?

I don't know the answer to this, but a reasonable answer to the editing might be because charges are pending, and it is almost never a good idea to post details of an alleged crime in a public area. It's like when you have an encounter with a cop: the answer is always "I have nothing to say to you officer", because anything you say can and very likely will come back and bite you later.
 

Innocent until proven guilty is certainly understandable and I agree with those who use it as their basis for an answer to this thread, but the reality is that if he is proven innocent, he is not going back to just baking cupcakes--he is going back to carrying a weapon. I am 68 years old and have NEVER been arrested for anything and certainly not for assault. I have never been in a position or a location where I have had to "defend" myself against an attacker who punched me with, I assume, no provocation. Being proved not guilty is different than being innocent. No one but this thread-writer really knows the truth, but the bottom line is that he managed to put himself in a situation that somehow ended up in an assault situation; quite frankly I stand by an opinion that this is not someone who should be in a position to be carrying a gun--his next "non-guilty assault situation" could be your last.

I have never been arrested either, and have only been in a "fight" situation way back in grade school days. Yes, I understand that he would be going back to carrying a weapon, but so what? His rights do not simply vanish because someone accused him of something. To me, revoking the CCW is punishment before conviction. From what I understand, no weapons were used in the alleged assault, so unless they have probable cause that the OP would likely be violent in the future, his rights should not be violated.
 
Hey foots402: Assuming you are telling me the truth I do not consider you a "bad guy". My only point is that your persona, in getting into any situation or location where you have this sort of confrontation, is, in my opinion, not the kind of demeanor that should be CC. Certainly many others are more lenient in their view but I look at having a CCWP as being a very awesome responsibility that cannot accept any assault/confrontational-type matters of record---it says something about some of your choices and, finding it hard to believe someone just comes up to you and hits you, your personality---this does not make you a bad person but calls into question your ability to control the things that could lead to unfortunate circumstances.
 
IMHO just go through the process. When you are proven not guilty you will get it back. In the mean time bide your time and keep your nose clean. :pleasantry:
 
Foots:

When you were charged was it only for the "misdemeanor assault and battery" or were they any other factors that elevated the charges into something like "assault and battery of a high and aggregvated nature"?

I'm wondering if a simple misdemeanor charge could have been upgraded because you were in possession of a firearm at the time of the alleged crime.

The reason I ask is that I'm not sure a misdemeanor charge would qualify you as a person prohibited from possessing or carrying a firearm. However, if the charges were upgraded then that might come into play...


Be sure to let us know what happens...maybe after everything is resolved you can be more free in sharing the details of the incident in question.
 
Foots:

The reason I ask is that I'm not sure a misdemeanor charge would qualify you as a person prohibited from possessing or carrying a firearm. However, if the charges were upgraded then that might come into play...

I have found it depends on the state. In North Carolina, a misdemeanor assault charge is a disqualifier. In Florida and VA, a misdemeanor only within the last 5 years is a disqualifier.



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At least they didn't take your gun! It's all about perspective. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to your guilt, not your CWP right.

If you're sure about your innocence, then just sit tight until 11/19 when your case will be decided.
 
I can see the CCW being suspended while charges of a violent crime are pending as reasonable. However, revocation without due process (conviction) would be something to fight.
 
I was found not guilty today for the charges that was filed against me. I call SLED today after court they said they will be putting my CWP in the mail to return to me. For the people thought that I was a bad person I was the one assualted by a 16yr old girl. She lied on me.
 
Hey foots402: Assuming you are telling me the truth I do not consider you a "bad guy". My only point is that your persona, in getting into any situation or location where you have this sort of confrontation, is, in my opinion, not the kind of demeanor that should be CC. Certainly many others are more lenient in their view but I look at having a CCWP as being a very awesome responsibility that cannot accept any assault/confrontational-type matters of record---it says something about some of your choices and, finding it hard to believe someone just comes up to you and hits you, your personality---this does not make you a bad person but calls into question your ability to control the things that could lead to unfortunate circumstances.

I have to respectfully disagree with you sir.

I can show multiple cases where a person was attacked for no reason in just my city alone. Furthermore, avoiding confrontation is of course the first step in self defense. The movie theaters in my town are filled with punk gangsters, you know the kind that have pants around their knees, bandannas with their gang colors, etc.

By your standards I should just not go to the movies. My fiancee and I can't go to a public venue because the chance of confrontation is higher than the country club? Does that mean I too should reconsider carrying because I willfully go to a location where there is a higher probability of confrontation?

Sir, the main reason many of us carry is not because we're confrontational. But because we don't have a crystal ball that tells us which locations/people are.

If you can honestly say that you avoid all locations where there may be a confrontation then I have to assume you never leave your house.
 
I was found not guilty today for the charges that was filed against me. I call SLED today after court they said they will be putting my CWP in the mail to return to me. For the people thought that I was a bad person I was the one assualted by a 16yr old girl. She lied on me.
It's good to hear you were cleared. I hope you can get your life back on track and put this nasty experience behind you.
 
I'm just glad to hear that the judicial system worked properly and SLED is going to be prompt in returning your CWP.
 
What do you mean assuming if I'm telling the truth I'm. So you mean to tell me that you never goes any where, anything could happen at any giving time and place. And who said she hit me, oh you must be Mr. perfect you need to check yourself kelcarry
 
I have to respectfully disagree with you sir.

I can show multiple cases where a person was attacked for no reason in just my city alone. Furthermore, avoiding confrontation is of course the first step in self defense. The movie theaters in my town are filled with punk gangsters, you know the kind that have pants around their knees, bandannas with their gang colors, etc.

By your standards I should just not go to the movies. My fiancee and I can't go to a public venue because the chance of confrontation is higher than the country club? Does that mean I too should reconsider carrying because I willfully go to a location where there is a higher probability of confrontation?

Sir, the main reason many of us carry is not because we're confrontational. But because we don't have a crystal ball that tells us which locations/people are.

If you can honestly say that you avoid all locations where there may be a confrontation then I have to assume you never leave your house.

+1 Well said!
 
Hey foots402: I am one of those who had harsh words for you. I am really glad that this cloud is out from over you. No one but you, and certainly no one on this forum, can really know what went on in your case but, hopefully, this taught you a valuable lesson about where you go and who you go with, particulary if you should be CC. Just don't get in that kind of trouble again and disappoint this forum. Good luck to you and I apologize for any angst I may have caused with my rather "hard" comments.
 
Hey foots402: I am one of those who had harsh words for you. I am really glad that this cloud is out from over you. No one but you, and certainly no one on this forum, can really know what went on in your case but, hopefully, this taught you a valuable lesson about where you go and who you go with, particulary if you should be CC. Just don't get in that kind of trouble again and disappoint this forum. Good luck to you and I apologize for any angst I may have caused with my rather "hard" comments.

Normally i don't get this way on forums but, something about the way you choose to articulate your position troubles me. Again, respectfully;

"Hopefully this taught you a valuable lesson about where you go and who you go with..." Please correct me if I am wrong- but how do you know where he was? For all I know he was at Amnesty International HQ.

I agree that we as CC holders must set good examples, but you're basically saying be a complete push over. Do we need a macho CC on the news? Hell no! Do we need to allow people to push us because we carry? Hell no! Do we need to isolate ourselves from society and give up the places we love to go? Hell no!

You don't get to choose the circumstances! Am I saying go to a rock concert and join the "mosh pit" no...but you're acting as though you never go anywhere that is remotely unsafe. You stated that you've never been in the position or location where someone has attacked you.

Sir, you are in your mid 60's and I must say I envy you for growing up in a different time. I'm not saying your generation was crime free, but arguably safer than the society of today. You've made comments that you question someone with his "persona" shouldn't carry a gun. I just have to question, if you are so sure of your ability to avoid confrontation and keep yourself away from locations and people that cause confrontation- why do you carry at all? I am in no way trying to offend you, I just don't agree with your position, and debate enlightens both sides.
 
let us know

hope you let us know if you are found innocent and sled actually returns your cwp. I hear they don't.hope i'm wrong... Buddney York SC
 
Hey CST: I appreciate your comments and the civility in your discussion. I am not one to say I don't make mistakes and, at least on this thread, I am definitiely in the minority. You made some good points and I cannot argue with what you said. In answer to the "why do I CC?"---I very rarely actually do CC when "out and about" but found the course leading up to the CCWP extremely rewarding and helpful for primary home defense/in the neighborhood sort of "situations". Maybe I am just lucky and maybe I grew up in a different time but nonetheless it was in NYC/NJ and not your casual pastoral setting for just kissing and hugging---in all that time I have NEVER known anyone, including myself, who has needed or wished they had a CCW for a "situation". Bottom line in my thinking is that common sense and awareness of who, what, where will get you a lot farther and a lot safer than ignoring those 3 questions because you are CC. I apologized in my last post to the original thread writer and apologize to you for any of the difficult feelings you expressed in your post.
 

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