HR 38 now has 212 Co-Sponsors

[SR9]

HR 38, the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, now has 212 Co-Sponsors and still House Leader Paul Ryan sits on his laurels and prevents it from coming to the floor for a vote. Trump will sign it if it comes to his desk. Paul Ryan is blocking it and needs to go!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

 

[Bikenut]

HR 38, the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, now has 212 Co-Sponsors and still House Leader Paul Ryan sits on his laurels and prevents it from coming to the floor for a vote. Trump will sign it if it comes to his desk. Paul Ryan is blocking it and needs to go!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

Paul Ryan, whether he intends it or not, is actually following the Constitution with the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd Amendment. You do understand that "shall not be infringed" means the government shall not control? And that shall not control includes controlling in ways that you happen to like.

National reciprocity is nothing more than a government power grab over the right to bear arms and there is no way that power grab can be justified to anyone who understands how the Commerce Clause has been abused in order to give Daddy Fed power over things the government was never meant to have power over no matter how many threads you start touting how wonderful it would be for Daddy Fed to grant you the privilege of carrying concealed across state lines.

One more time. If Daddy Fed can use the Commerce Clause to grant you the privilege to carry a concealed gun across state lines Daddy Fed can also use that same Commerce Clause to deny you the privilege of carrying a concealed gun anywhere. All it takes is a liberal interpretation of a National Reciprocity law to mean all States must have the same criteria for carry permits (fully supported by the States with the most restrictive carry laws) for the entire country to end up with the requirements to obtain a carry permit so restrictive, so onerous, so expensive, and so impossible to obtain that only the rich, powerful, and connected would be able to get one.

But then the supporters of a National Reciprocity law who are blinded by the shiny promise of having permission to carry across state lines don't seem to be able to entertain the notion that there will be unintended consequences.

What is really sad is many of those supporters have fallen for the sales pitch that getting Daddy Fed's permission through National Reciprocity is a step forward for the right to bear arms never understanding that if it is a right you don't need permission to do it but if you have to get permission then it is a privilege controlled by whoever is in charge of granting, or denying, a permit to do it.

But then I suspect that for some folks having a carry permit is an ego thing being proof to themselves they are more special than others.

 

[SR9]

Paranoid!

 

[Bikenut]

Short sighted!

 

[XD40scinNC]

Perhaps if we lived in a restrictive state like SR9, anything would look hopeful. After all he lives where he had to take out a legal notice in a newspaper advertising the fact he wanted to apply for a carry permit.

This would be a complete disaster for the carry rights that the residents of most states enjoy.

 

[Eidolon]

Paul Ryan, whether he intends it or not, is actually following the Constitution with the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd Amendment. You do understand that "shall not be infringed" means the government shall not control? And that shall not control includes controlling in ways that you happen to like.

National reciprocity is nothing more than a government power grab over the right to bear arms and there is no way that power grab can be justified to anyone who understands how the Commerce Clause has been abused in order to give Daddy Fed power over things the government was never meant to have power over no matter how many threads you start touting how wonderful it would be for Daddy Fed to grant you the privilege of carrying concealed across state lines.

One more time. If Daddy Fed can use the Commerce Clause to grant you the privilege to carry a concealed gun across state lines Daddy Fed can also use that same Commerce Clause to deny you the privilege of carrying a concealed gun anywhere. All it takes is a liberal interpretation of a National Reciprocity law to mean all States must have the same criteria for carry permits (fully supported by the States with the most restrictive carry laws) for the entire country to end up with the requirements to obtain a carry permit so restrictive, so onerous, so expensive, and so impossible to obtain that only the rich, powerful, and connected would be able to get one.

But then the supporters of a National Reciprocity law who are blinded by the shiny promise of having permission to carry across state lines don't seem to be able to entertain the notion that there will be unintended consequences.

What is really sad is many of those supporters have fallen for the sales pitch that getting Daddy Fed's permission through National Reciprocity is a step forward for the right to bear arms never understanding that if it is a right you don't need permission to do it but if you have to get permission then it is a privilege controlled by whoever is in charge of granting, or denying, a permit to do it.

But then I suspect that for some folks having a carry permit is an ego thing being proof to themselves they are more special than others.

I have always suspected the text in bold was the case. We shouldn't need a National Reciprocity law. CHL permits should be given the same full faith and confidence that driver's licenses or gay marriage certificates are

 

[niceshootintex]

Paul Ryan, whether he intends it or not, is actually following the Constitution with the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd Amendment. You do understand that "shall not be infringed" means the government shall not control? And that shall not control includes controlling in ways that you happen to like.

National reciprocity is nothing more than a government power grab over the right to bear arms and there is no way that power grab can be justified to anyone who understands how the Commerce Clause has been abused in order to give Daddy Fed power over things the government was never meant to have power over no matter how many threads you start touting how wonderful it would be for Daddy Fed to grant you the privilege of carrying concealed across state lines.

One more time. If Daddy Fed can use the Commerce Clause to grant you the privilege to carry a concealed gun across state lines Daddy Fed can also use that same Commerce Clause to deny you the privilege of carrying a concealed gun anywhere. All it takes is a liberal interpretation of a National Reciprocity law to mean all States must have the same criteria for carry permits (fully supported by the States with the most restrictive carry laws) for the entire country to end up with the requirements to obtain a carry permit so restrictive, so onerous, so expensive, and so impossible to obtain that only the rich, powerful, and connected would be able to get one.

But then the supporters of a National Reciprocity law who are blinded by the shiny promise of having permission to carry across state lines don't seem to be able to entertain the notion that there will be unintended consequences.

What is really sad is many of those supporters have fallen for the sales pitch that getting Daddy Fed's permission through National Reciprocity is a step forward for the right to bear arms never understanding that if it is a right you don't need permission to do it but if you have to get permission then it is a privilege controlled by whoever is in charge of granting, or denying, a permit to do it.

But then I suspect that for some folks having a carry permit is an ego thing being proof to themselves they are more special than others.

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[niceshootintex]

Paranoid!

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[primesteven72]

HR 38, the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017, now has 212 Co-Sponsors and still House Leader Paul Ryan sits on his laurels and prevents it from coming to the floor for a vote. Trump will sign it if it comes to his desk. Paul Ryan is blocking it and needs to go!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/cosponsors?pageSort=lastToFirst

 

[NavyLCDR]

I have always suspected the text in bold was the case. We shouldn't need a National Reciprocity law. CHL permits should be given the same full faith and confidence that driver's licenses or gay marriage certificates are

We shouldn't need CHL permits at all. I don't see anything in the 2nd Amendment that says the government has the authority to turn the RIGHT to keep and BEAR arms into a privilege that one must pay for the government's permission to exercise. Can you image the outcry there would be if we required the same crap to vote as we allow the government to require to bear arms?

 

[Bikenut]

When the government threatens to put folks in jail if they exercise the right to bear arms by carrying a concealed pistol without a government issued permit then the government is engaging in:

Extortion - FindLaw

What Is Extortion?

-snip-
Another common extortion crime is offering "protection" to a businessman to keep his business safe from burglary or vandalism. For example, Dan goes to Victor's place of business and demands monthly payment from Victor for the business's "protection" from vandalism and after-hours theft. Fearing that he or his business will suffer harm otherwise, Victor agrees to pay Dan.
-snip-

The gangster threatens the businessman that if he wants to keep his store open he better pay the gangster a fee or his store (or he personally) will suffer damage.

The government threatens folks that if they want to carry a concealed pistol (exercising the right to bear arms) they better pay the government a fee or the government will put them in jail.

The racket of using a threat in order to make people pay a fee is the same with the only difference being who is getting paid.

Oh wait... there is one other difference. Because the government is the one that makes law the government passes laws making the gangster's protection racket illegal while passing laws that make the government's racket, essentially the same protection racket as the gangster's, legal.

Pretty neat racket for the government!

 

[SR9]

Senator Bill Cassidy (R-LA) has signed on as a co-sponsor of S466, the Senated version of The National Consealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. He is the 38th co-sponsor.
Of course Mitch McConnell is the one holding up bringing this to the floor for a vote.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?q={%22search%22:[%22congressId:115+AND+billStatus:\%22Introduced\%22%22]**&r=41&pageSort=lastToFirst

Ryan and McConnell both need to GO!

 

[BluesStringer]

Senator Bill Cassidy (R-LA) has signed on as a co-sponsor of S466, the Senated version of The National Consealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. He is the 38th co-sponsor.
Of course Mitch McConnell is the one holding up bringing this to the floor for a vote.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/446/cosponsors?q={%22search%22:[%22congressId:115+AND+billStatus:\%22Introduced\%22%22]**&r=41&pageSort=lastToFirst

Ryan and McConnell both need to GO!

Well, go get 'em Tiger. You'd be doing the country a much bigger favor than shilling for national reciprocity could ever be.

 

[SR9]

You forget that it will take the people of McConnell and Ryan's home state to get rid of them, because we know the GOP house and Senate member have no balls.

 

[Poppy55]

It's a right, not a privilege. That's a given. The current laws that enforce the arrest & prosecution of gun toters without permits is not only unconstitutional but incomprehensible. The leaders of this country know this. We...don't know anything that they don't. The difference is, WE, get arrested! Now, I don't know about the rest of you but I'm tired of reading bitching & moaning threads about how wrong it is...but there's been no solutions given! Getting rid of elected officials that oppose the 2A, may accomplish something...but it is STILL leaving it in the hands of their replacements.
Until we get the SCOTUS to unequivocally unite on keeping a right a right & shoot down any prosecution from district & state court rulings regarding firearms & our right to own & carry them, it's never going to change. It will basically be a case of; "California...We restrict gun X & limit the number of rounds....SCOTUS....Oh hell no! This is an inalienable right & you have no authority to restrict a damn thing!"

This should apply to EVERY STATE IN THE UNION! But...that ain't gonna happen, so we do this...gripe & complain & nothing gets done. What to do? Everyone carry regardless, get arrested & be a martyr that will become a footnote in useless rebellion, or organize a TRUE voice of the people that they can't ignore? IDK...just spouting off.

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Re: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Legislation
« Reply #179 on: September 22, 2017, 09:04:47 PM »
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Politico has published an article that says the SHARE bill (including suppressors) may be for a floor vote as early as next week and HR38 (National Carry Reciprosity) may be voted on in October or November. Keep in mind, it is Politico.

House GOP pushes to loosen gun rules - POLITICO

Remember Politico is a Left-Wing news group.

 

[primesteven72]

You forget that it will take the people of McConnell and Ryan's home state to get rid of them, because we know the GOP house and Senate member have no balls.

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[niceshootintex]

McConnel is inadvertently saving us from the misplaced placating of 2A rubes. Being for this bill is just insuring that citizens will be subject to the whims of future administrations. You have lost your mind if you think the same states that already flip off the Feds on Sanctuary Cities will ever willingly cede their socialist agenda to this legislative power grab.

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[makomaster01]

Ok. So now. It appears dc has bin knocked down. With reasonable cause. As should be listed as a shall issue state. Yes. They will charge a fee. For residents and non residents. But in my opinion. It’s time to hop on the train. And push hr 38. Although. In my heart. The whole country should be constitutional carry. But I do believe. That it’s a step in the correct direction. Ok. I’m the target now .... tell me how you really feel (•)........ let’s get this conversation going.


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[niceshootintex]

Ok. So now. It appears dc has bin knocked down. With reasonable cause. As should be listed as a shall issue state. Yes. They will charge a fee. For residents and non residents. But in my opinion. It’s time to hop on the train. And push hr 38. Although. In my heart. The whole country should be constitutional carry. But I do believe. That it’s a step in the correct direction. Ok. I’m the target now .... tell me how you really feel (•)........ let’s get this conversation going.


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I don't know what state you're from do I can understand how that might drive your sentiments on national reciprocity. It's a small shiny object for anyone seeking a ray of sunshine on 2A issues. Don't go towards the light. It's a train.

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