How To End These Got My Chops Busted By A Cop Threads

[Treo]

All these “Generic Bad experience W/ A Cop” would come to a screeching halt is we just followed some simple rules
1. If you are pulled over by a cop, unless you are legally required to do so or you know (I.E. you are about to get patted down he's going to find your weapon do not inform the cop that you are armed (this assumes you are, of course, legally armed)
2. Make the cop tell you why he pulled you over (I.E. Do you know why I pulled you over tonight Mr. Potential detainee? “No Officer I haven’t a clue please tell me.
3. When he tells you why he pulled you over do not argue (I.E. Ok officer I’ll take my ticket now”) you can fight it in court later.
4. Never ever, ever, ever consent to a search. Ever if they tell you they’ll get a warrant tell them to go for it.
5. Under no circumstances answer questions or make a statement of any kind without your lawyer present.
6. A traffic stop’s a given, they pull you over your not free to go other than that as soon as they contact you ask. If they say you are free to go, go if they say you’re not ask for your lawyer and shut up.
7. Never make small talk with a cop (I.E. ‘where are you coming from tonight Mr. Potential detainee?’ “From conducting my lawful private business officer, am I free to go?”). Cops don’t make small talk.

If you’re just walking down the street and a cop stops you, you should immediately ascertain whether or not you’re free to leave. The easiest way to do this is simply ask the cop “Officer am I free to go?” If he says you are do it.

Cops don’t just stop random people on the street to make conversation, if he stopped you there’s a reason and the worst thing you can do is engage him in conversation because the longer you talk the more likely you are to say something he can use against you. So, it goes like this

Cop: excuse me Buck can I ask you a couple of questions?
Treo: Sorry Officer I really don’t have time right now. Am I free to go?
Cop: It’s really just a couple of quick questions; I would really help me out if you cooperate.
Treo: Officer, as I stated I do not have time to speak with you. Am I free to go?
Cop: Yes you can leave, but it would really help me…
Treo: Thank you Officer good day.

If a cop ever tells you you’re not free to go that means he has a reasonable suspicion based on clearly articuable facts, that you have, in fact, committed a crime and is looking for probable cause to arrest you. (If he had PC you’d all ready be in handcuffs)
This is absolutely the time to calmly and firmly assert your rights and shut up!

Cop: No buck you are not free to go I’m detaining you because….
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
Cop: Buck right now is the time for you to be cooperating with me; it’ll go much easier for you if you do.
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.
Cop: Yada Yada Yada
Treo: Officer I don’t wish to answer any questions or make any statement w/out my lawyer present.

Get the picture?
You and the Police
Kenneth W. Royce (Writing as Boston T. Party)
Javelin Press 2006


follow these simple rules every time you interact with a cop and we won’t have any more of these threads I promise

 

[SGB]

 

[RJ_Whitlock]

7. Never make small talk with a cop (I.E. ‘where are you coming from tonight Mr. Potential detainee?’ “From conducting my lawful private business officer, am I free to go?”). Cops don’t make small talk.

Every time I've been stopped, the cops make small talk with me. I guess your just an a$$hole, not all cops are dicks.

 

[Flanmedic51]

You're kidding me...

This post is ignorant. And really no one should follow this advice...and better yet you shouldn't carry a loaded weapon because you're head is not in the game. Cops will have a line of questioning, particularly if its known you have a ccw. Cops are getting mowed down by *******, cowardly criminals every day so if they make me step out of my car, pat me down or ask me a few extra questions, so friggin be it. Cuz at the end of the day, I'm going home safe and sound and so is the cop.

 

[Long Range .338]

Talking to the powers that be.

I think it to be a wise idea to take caution any time you talk to "Law enforcement" things go wrong very quickly. There are some in authority that are truly good folks, but there are those that abuse their power. I don't know who is which. Do you?

 

[csmith177]

The guy gives you the best advice you will hear on your life and you call him an Ahole .. Thats so wrong. Just wait til your small talk lands you in handcuffs or even worse het you beatin by the cops. You think its small talk but get the wrong cop and u will end up In the hospital. And then spend years figjting a cops word against yours. Its not easy. I have been there.

 

[Keykutter]

You can really separate the men from the boys around here. That's not really a bad thing, just a lack of living that only time will fix.

That is, if you get out from behind your keyboard and do some real time in real life.

KK

 

[NavyLCDR]

This post is ignorant. And really no one should follow this advice...and better yet you shouldn't carry a loaded weapon because you're head is not in the game. Cops will have a line of questioning, particularly if its known you have a ccw. Cops are getting mowed down by *******, cowardly criminals every day so if they make me step out of my car, pat me down or ask me a few extra questions, so friggin be it. Cuz at the end of the day, I'm going home safe and sound and so is the cop.

Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't follow this line of thinking, we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" at ball games. The citizen is getting mowed down everyday by the government that is supposed to be serving the citizen. There is no excuse to allow the government to trample the Constitution.

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[RJ_Whitlock]

The guy gives you the best advice you will hear on your life and you call him an Ahole .. Thats so wrong. Just wait til your small talk lands you in handcuffs or even worse het you beatin by the cops. You think its small talk but get the wrong cop and u will end up In the hospital. And then spend years figjting a cops word against yours. Its not easy. I have been there.

The way every situation ends depends on how you handle yourself. If what you have said is true, you must've done something wrong. Youtube, a camcorder/audio recorder, and a good lawyer will help you more than you'd ever know. In a bad situation, if you have your bases covered you'll end up on top. Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Talking to an LEO without ones attorney is very rarely a good idea.

-Doc

 

[NavyLCDR]

The way every situation ends depends on how you handle yourself. If what you have said is true, you must've done something wrong. Youtube, a camcorder/audio recorder, and a good lawyer will help you more than you'd ever know. In a bad situation, if you have your bases covered you'll end up on top. Go troll somewhere else.

I believe that history will prove otherwise:

Innocent man freed

It simply is not a smart idea to talk to police; unless you are absolutely 100% certain it is an entirely social discussion - like the guy in the mall when the officer asked him what store he was looking on the directory for. Flame TREO all you want to, "Officer am I free to leave?" is the smartest thing anyone can ever say to a police officer.

 

[Keykutter]

Talking to an LEO without ones attorney is very rarely a good idea.

-Doc

I was thinking you might be a prison doctor but now I'm thinking your just one of Snow White's Dwarf's and just happen to live in a house that's too big for you.

Don't talk to a cop without a lawyer? Give me a break.

KK

 

[NavyLCDR]

It's funny how even police officers agree with Treo:

Buy hey, listen to Keykutter if you want to. He's got nothing better to do than to make up childish personal attacks against people who don't agree with him and talk to police officers.

 

[RJ_Whitlock]

I guess I'm just ignorant, I'll write you a letter from jail when I ask an Officer how his day has been.

 

[dbaierl]

I've been pulled over 4 times since I started carrying. Mn is a must inform state, so I have my permit with my lic and insurance card ready when the officer gets to the door. 2 times the officer looked at my permit and handed it back without another word about it. The other 2 times, I was asked if I was armed. I stated, yes sir. Both of them asked were it was and nothing else.
Then we had a nice discussion about my completely illegal window tint.
I have yet to get a ticket for the tint.

I maybe living a charmed life, but have no fear of police. Yes, I've meet a couple hard ass's over the yrs, yet I get let go more then get tickets.
I'd guess I have had a dozen or more speeding tickets in the 27yrs I've been driving. ???
Maybe its my smile. LOL

 

[RJ_Whitlock]

I've been pulled over 4 times since I started carrying. Mn is a must inform state, so I have my permit with my lic and insurance card ready when the officer gets to the door. 2 times the officer looked at my permit and handed it back without another word about it. The other 2 times, I was asked if I was armed. I stated, yes sir. Both of them asked were it was and nothing else.
Then we had a nice discussion about my completely illegal window tint.
I have yet to get a ticket for the tint.

I maybe living a charmed life, but have no fear of police. Yes, I've meet a couple hard ass's over the yrs, yet I get let go more then get tickets.
I'd guess I have had a dozen or more speeding tickets in the 27yrs I've been driving. ???
Maybe its my smile. LOL

I love living in this state more and more everyday lol. Guess I'm just lucky like that as well.

 

[Keykutter]

If we all started asking LEO's if we are free to leave at the first instance, you think that will help in the long run?

I don't see the problems now, myself, that some of you are convinced there are. If a request to leave at each encounter was the norm, I'm thinking there may be such a rift started you may like that worse.

I'll keep doing what I do and yeah, the rest of you keep screwing the relationship up.

KK

 

[Flanmedic51]

Good thing the Founding Fathers didn't follow this line of thinking, we would still be singing "God Save the Queen" at ball games. The citizen is getting mowed down everyday by the government that is supposed to be serving the citizen. There is no excuse to allow the government to trample the Constitution.

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This doesn't make any sense. And it's this ideological thinking that creates infringements on our 2nd Amendment rights from the left wingers. I'm done with this forum because the basis of this discussion is generally false and biased since there are millions of us out there who carry and never had a bad experience with law enforcement and/or never have given them a reason to WANT to detain or question us about having a gun. If you're legal...then you're legal! That simple.

 

[santa]

The fact is a cops job is arresting people. It is a fact that there have been many innocent people who have been eager to cooperate with cops and have been arrested and falsely convicted. I have never been arrested or charged but have been threatened by over zealous cops with arrest when the reality was they had NO evidence. The cops tried to bully and manipulate me into 'helping them understand what really happened', in otherwords confessing to something I did not do as it 'would go easier on me if I cooperated'. They lied by saying they had evidence when in reality they had NONE! I quickly realized that the only way out was to exercise my right to shut up and ask to speak with my lawyer. I wasnt taken to jail because I exercised my rights. The next day the real culprit was caught. Im sure many on this site have been falsely accused in a similar fashion. Unfortuneately the public has been conditioned by 'cop shows' to believe that anyone who exercises his(her) Constutional rights to remain silent and not consent to search must be guilty of something! I refuse to consent to any search unless a warrant is served. I refuse to 'get diarrea of the mouth' and becomming a suspect or being arrested because of something I said. Its my business where Ive been and where Im going, not a cops. A good cop will agree with this.
The Constutional Rights that are in the Bill OF Rights are the core of the Constution. They were put there to protect ALL CITIZENS from a all powerful central government. To people who think the cops need to be 'cooperated with', would you feel the same if the cops busted down your door at 3am (WITH NO WARRANT) and started searching your house for your guns, just because they wanted to show you how bad it could get if you did not cooperate? I think not. While this web site is dedicated to the 2nd amendment NEVER forget the 4th and 5th. They were there to protect innocent people like YOU! Im going to borrow NavyLCDRs' saying "I am not anti-cop. I am pro-Constution".

 

[Wyldekard]

Why do you enter this portion of the forum then???

This guy attacked me in the thread I started and now he has posted this thread because he doesn't like and is sick of reading what people have to say about their encounters with local LEOs and wants it to stop. I would like to suggest the novel idea that he not continue to enter the part of this forum THAT IS DEDICATED TO RELATING AND DISCUSSING ENCOUNTERS WITH LOCAL LEOs.

Or he could contact the owner of this website and tell him what a screw up he is for creating AN AREA THAT IS DEDICATED TO DISCUSSING ENCOUNTERS WITH LOCAL LEOs that he constantly monitors and makes assinine comments in. All he does is parrot back what some lawyer wrote in a book anyway.

In case he didn't grasp what I shouted the first two times:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE PORTION OF THE FORUM DEDICATED TO WHAT YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE OF!!! If you need it, I can type that slower and with longer spaces so you can grasp the concept there buckwheat.