How Should We Respond to the Aurora Shooting?

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From Guns & Ammo Webb Site

The recent mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., has triggered yet another vigorous debate in the media — and in the halls of government — about gun control. While this type of non-politically motivated attack on civilians by a single individual is relatively rare, the event drives a powerfully heartbreaking, gut-wrenching sense of terror through the community and nation where it occurs.

And rightfully so. While government and law enforcement agencies can plan and prepare to counter or curtail military invasions, terrorist attacks and the activities of organized crime, the lone gunman — in this case, the accused is a former neuroscience student named James Eagan Holmes — on a mission of destruction is nearly impossible to detect or to deter.

As we look back over similar events in the last 10 years, the disturbing behavior patterns of these criminals prior to the shootings become apparent. But it’s not an understanding that brings much comfort. Instead, it verifies how difficult it is to prevent this kind of crime.

On April 16, 2007, in two separate attacks, Seung-Hui Cho shot 49 people on the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va., killing 32 and wounding 17 before committing suicide. Although it’s impossible to know what was going through this young man’s mind, a review of his past showed how Cho became mentally and emotionally disconnected from society. His history of mental illness, social problems and disturbing classroom behavior all come together to show how he became a threat, but only in hindsight. With the limited amount of information we currently have on Holmes’ background, it seems he followed the same path of social disconnection, but possibly in a much more rapid descent.

Perpetrators of mass shootings tend to be meticulous planners, spending months or even years preparing to make their strike. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the masterminds behind the April 20, 1999, massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., are an example of long-term planning and concealment. Early in 1997, Harris was posting online about his anger towards society. On January 30, 1998, Harris and Klebold were arrested for stealing tools from a parked van that may have been intended to help them prepare for their assault. In the 16 months after this arrest, the boys carefully documented their activities leading up to this tragedy in videos and journals. This included illegally obtaining and altering firearms, laying out their strategy in detail and constructing over 90 explosive devices. Unfortunately, all of this evidence came to light after the fact because these young men were careful to keep it hidden. Preliminary evidence in the Aurora case shows that the accused shooter may have spent six months planning the shooting.

The most disturbing aspect of these terrible shootings is the selection of “soft” targets. Much like terrorists do, these criminals look to inflict maximum damage as efficiently as possible by selecting easily accessible and crowded areas. On March 13, 1996, in the Scottish town of Dunblane, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton entered Dunblane Primary School armed with four handguns. He then shot and killed 16 children and one adult before committing suicide. It remains one of the worst criminal acts using handguns in the United Kingdom’s history.

In much the same way as Hamilton chose to kill people he knew could not fight back, Holmes allegedly chose a dark, noisy movie theater filled with fans who were oblivious to the coming assault. Evidence points to his use of homemade smoke devices that caused skin, throat and eye irritation. He also fortified himself with body armor and possibly painkillers in order to stay on his feet as long as possible in case someone shot back.

All these attacks, no matter how we analyze them, are monstrous. But how exactly are we supposed to respond to them? What do we do with people whose mental state and horrific choices lead them to plan and carry out mass murder? The solutions that some policy makers would like to implement would require us to convert our free country into a kind of police state in which our movements, purchases, and mental state are constantly tracked and monitored.

Since this Big Brother approach will not be tolerated by Americans — and would not necessarily solve the problem anyway — liberal busybodies move on to the next debatable point: Ban the guns. Everything from motions to repeal the Second Amendment to bans on high-capacity magazines are fielded and debated. The U.K. used the Dunblane massacre as leverage in passing draconian gun restrictions, including the Firearms (Amendment) Act and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act in 1997. These bans have greatly reduced the numbers of guns in the hands of the citizens of the U.K., but they certainly have not reduced violent crime. Rather, crime levels have climbed.

This desire to ban guns shows a fundamental flaw of logic, which is to blame the tools a criminal uses instead the criminal himself. For example, how does society react when an unlicensed, mentally unfit or substance-impaired individual chooses to get behind the wheel of a powerful motor vehicle and inflict death and destruction? This happens far more frequently than mass shootings, but what has been done about it? Where is the debate? Where is the hue and cry for change? Why not increase the legal driving age to 35-years of age? All heavy, powerful SUVs could be banned in favor of lightweight, and less lethal, Smart cars. All speed limits could be dropped to 20 mph to reduce the number of fatal collisions. If fact, why not collectively sue the automotive industry for providing people with easy-to-operate machines that are, by their design, inherently dangerous to operate?

Americans, quite logically, are not ready to sacrifice the freedoms that a diverse supply of automobiles provides because of the bad behavior of a minority of motorists. Instead of sliding down the slippery slope of blaming vehicle-inflicted harm on the company that the built the car, the dealership that sold the car or the gas station that put fuel in its tank, we rightfully prosecute the person who was driving it.

So what should we do in the face of past and future mass shootings? First and foremost, we need to grieve this meaningless loss of innocent life. Let’s do what we can to lend support to those who are suffering so much at this time.

Secondly, let’s tell the members of our government to place the blame for mass shootings where it belongs: the instigator of the crime. Since criminals will always rise up to do harm no matter what legislation we have in place, let’s work to ensure the government will be vigilant and vigorous in enforcing the strict laws we already have in place. In the case of accused murderer James Holmes, he has been officially charged with 24 counts of first-degree murder for the shooting. Each count comes with a possible death sentence, which is already the natural limit of what the law can do to punish anyone.

Finally, for those who have decided that now is the time to purchase a defensive firearm, please do so with proper foresight and planning. Research your purchase so that you know the gun of your choosing is one you can safely operate and practice with regularly. Make sure to meet federal and state requirements necessary to legally purchase and carry a firearm. Follow up your purchase with the appropriate gun safety and self defense training.

Remember, a gun is just one tool that can be added to a personal protection plan. It’s the information lodged between your ears that ultimately provides the means to stay safe. Although individuals exercising their rights to be responsibly armed cannot provide a solution in every single personal protection situation, citizen-owned firearms do provide important defensive options that cannot be applied in any other way.
 
Youre never going to be completely safe, even if you travel with bodyguards everywhere.

Best thing is when you go to a movie, make sure nobody exits thru the back doors and props one open.

That should be your first clue.

So get up off your lame tired buttt and check it out if someone does.
 
There is no place 100% safe, even presidents of the United States have been killed, they have be best security in the world today. However; instead of disarming the citizens they arm the criminal by not allow us to carry, stupid logic, send the sheep to the slaughter house with no defense.
 
Youre never going to be completely safe, even if you travel with bodyguards everywhere.

Best thing is when you go to a movie, make sure nobody exits thru the back doors and props one open.

That should be your first clue.

So get up off your lame tired buttt and check it out if someone does.
Yes, but, since 99.99999999% of the time it's just going to be some bullying punk wanting to steal a little bit from the theater, you'd better be able to back up your actions WITHOUT resorting to deadly force....
 
Yes, but, since 99.99999999% of the time it's just going to be some bullying punk wanting to steal a little bit from the theater, you'd better be able to back up your actions WITHOUT resorting to deadly force....

Just close the door behind the punk. You dont need to shoot and kill him.
 
There is no place 100% safe, even presidents of the United States have been killed, they have be best security in the world today. However; instead of disarming the citizens they arm the criminal by not allow us to carry, stupid logic, send the sheep to the slaughter house with no defense.

Reagan was shot, that is true, despite the best security in the world. Hinkley was also a schizo psycho just like Holmes. It's not the gun that kills, its the psycho that does.

From now on, best thing is for movie goers to watch the exit doors, and make sure they are not propped open. Especially at Batman shows.
 
Quite frankly, we can have another couple of Auroras and I will still focus on my biggest threat--he lives in the whitehouse and is a moslem, communist piece of garbage who wants to take this country down to 3rd worldism.
 
Quite frankly, we can have another couple of Auroras and I will still focus on my biggest threat--he lives in the whitehouse and is a moslem, communist piece of garbage who wants to take this country down to 3rd worldism.

The biggest threat right now lives in a white house that is for sure, but he got all his money from his daddy and he is trying to buy his way into The White House as we speak.

He is a threat to social security, medicare, the middle and working class, and also a proven threat to assault rifle ownership (if that's your baby).

Romney is the problem not the solution.
 
I will still be voting against Zero. And the only way to do that is to vote for Romney.
 
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how should we respond...

well its obvious isn't it? it's been spread across some of the other threads all ready...hide our guns and be ashamed that we carry...use discretion so no one is scared of our guns...its the guns after all right?

*sarcasm for those that can't tell*
 
"How Should We Respond to the Aurora Shooting"? How do we respond to 285 people dieing in an aircraft accident, a train or bus accident, an earthquake that kills thousands, a tsunami or flooding? Guns are part of our society and unfortunately every once in a while some psycho gets loose with one or more and reigns terror in some university, office building, coffee shop, restaurant or movie theater. Just goes to show no one is safe anywhere anymore. Btw, why is it always white guys or asian guys doing this crap?
 
"How Should We Respond to the Aurora Shooting"? How do we respond to 285 people dieing in an aircraft accident, a train or bus accident, an earthquake that kills thousands, a tsunami or flooding? Guns are part of our society and unfortunately every once in a while some psycho gets loose with one or more and reigns terror in some university, office building, coffee shop, restaurant or movie theater. Just goes to show no one is safe anywhere anymore. Btw, why is it always white guys or asian guys doing this crap?

I would just like to point out, no one was ever safe anywhere at any time, at any point in history. Psycho's come in all shades of color, just look at the middle east, chicago, mexico, Colorado, VT...need I say more?
 
A paraphrase from Michael Corleone in "Godfather 2:" "One thing history has taught is that ANYONE can be killed." With that in mind, I could give a good ratzazz when these events occur. They have been going on for millenia, and will continue far into the future, after you, I and all we love are dust. I live my life with the least amount of grief possible. I give respect for age, abilities, etc. I am willing to give violence, death if need be, to the evil few brutes who mean to harm me and mine, and even you if the need arises. The liberal left cannot (have to repeat that, CANNOT) understand any protection except the power of government. I understand and appreciate law, but realize there will always be those who don't, won't, or can't conceive the concept of "good conduct," as Confucius, Christ, Ashoka and The Buddha suggested. Prattle, prattle, prattle! Here's me coming to an end . . .






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The biggest threat right now lives in a white house that is for sure, but he got all his money from his daddy and he is trying to buy his way into The White House as we speak.

He is a threat to social security, medicare, the middle and working class, and also a proven threat to assault rifle ownership (if that's your baby).

Romney is the problem not the solution.

And a narcissistic moslem communist piece of garbage currently in the whitehouse is, in any way, shape or form a better choice? If you can answer yes to this I truly feel sorry for you.
 
How should we respond?

Repeal any & all 2A hindering laws! Allow citizens to carry open or concealed everywhere, encourage firearms training/safety across the board... not discourage their use. Allow carry by uniformed service members while on duty where practical on the installation. Encourage a mindset of situational awareness wherever you may go, and an understanding that only "you" can protect yourself when it matters.
 
No one has really said it, but why should we do anything in particular, other than enforce the laws and punishment we already have on the books? There is no way to stop a mass murderer by passing more laws. The two largest attacks on the Constitution, enacted in 1934 and 1938, both ostensibly to stop mass murderers and make Americans safer only took away some of our rights and solved nothing else.

Today, there is very little deterrent to committing such crimes. Prison isn't bad enough to deter a sick mind, and the average continued lifespan on someone on death row is over 17 years. So even a mildly nutso person whose dreams involve murder won't be affected by new laws.

He was bound and determined to make a name for himself. Without guns, he could have used a car, a baseball bat, a knife, or gasoline. How can anyone be so arrogant as to think that they can stop a sick mind by merely passing laws limiting access to common items? Actually, how can someone be so stupid as to think that the government can actually protect you from anything other than the things it was designed to protect you from? Jefferson knew that.....the reason he made the quote in my signature.

Prison reform for violent criminals taken back to 15th Century standards, and public hanging the day after the second appeal, required to be no more than one year after the original conviction, are the kinds of actions we should take, rather than really stupid measures that do nothing but limit people's rights....that have been proven time and time again not to work.
 
No one has really said it, but why should we do anything in particular, other than enforce the laws and punishment we already have on the books? There is no way to stop a mass murderer by passing more laws. The two largest attacks on the Constitution, enacted in 1934 and 1938, both ostensibly to stop mass murderers and make Americans safer only took away some of our rights and solved nothing else.

Today, there is very little deterrent to committing such crimes. Prison isn't bad enough to deter a sick mind, and the average continued lifespan on someone on death row is over 17 years. So even a mildly nutso person whose dreams involve murder won't be affected by new laws.

He was bound and determined to make a name for himself. Without guns, he could have used a car, a baseball bat, a knife, or gasoline. How can anyone be so arrogant as to think that they can stop a sick mind by merely passing laws limiting access to common items? Actually, how can someone be so stupid as to think that the government can actually protect you from anything other than the things it was designed to protect you from? Jefferson knew that.....the reason he made the quote in my signature.

Prison reform for violent criminals taken back to 15th Century standards, and public hanging the day after the second appeal, required to be no more than one year after the original conviction, are the kinds of actions we should take, rather than really stupid measures that do nothing but limit people's rights....that have been proven time and time again not to work.

I think you are saying that the submachine gun ban back in the 1930s did no good at all.

Well, imagine today if the Bloods and the Crips had submachine guns?

We have succeded in getting submachine guns off the streets.

The dilemma before the Congress and the USSC is whether getting gas operated magazine fed semi auto rifles off the street would accomplish the same thing.

If you read Scalia in Heller, he says "firearms with a legitamate lawful purpose" are covered by the 2nd Amendment, and that Congress may regulate the rest.

The only question is where do you draw the line? That question is way above your pay grade and mine, FST. Not an easy question, with no easy answers.

There is however no USSC case that states anything like what you have just stated. There is no basis for what you have said, other than rah rah ree, kick em in the knee.
 
And a narcissistic moslem communist piece of garbage currently in the whitehouse is, in any way, shape or form a better choice? If you can answer yes to this I truly feel sorry for you.

Maybe Ann's horse will win the dressage competition at the London olympics. It just goes to show how out of touch with reality these two birds (Ann & Mitt) really are.
 
A paraphrase from Michael Corleone in "Godfather 2:" "One thing history has taught is that ANYONE can be killed." With that in mind, I could give a good ratzazz when these events occur. They have been going on for millenia, and will continue far into the future, after you, I and all we love are dust. I live my life with the least amount of grief possible. I give respect for age, abilities, etc. I am willing to give violence, death if need be, to the evil few brutes who mean to harm me and mine, and even you if the need arises. The liberal left cannot (have to repeat that, CANNOT) understand any protection except the power of government. I understand and appreciate law, but realize there will always be those who don't, won't, or can't conceive the concept of "good conduct," as Confucius, Christ, Ashoka and The Buddha suggested. Prattle, prattle, prattle! Here's me coming to an end . . .






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Unless you are way out of touch yourself with reality, and your lib left boogeyman includes Scalia and all 9 USSC justices, you should study Heller to wake your mind up.

In it Scalia summarizes all of the previous USSC gun law, including Miller. Take a look. Read it. Be all that you can be.
 
The best thing to do is when you leave your residence, make sure you are somehow armed yourself, one way or another, and then be observant with good situational awareness.

If some dummazz punk goes out the movie exit with his cell phone like he is taking a call, get up off your lame tired azz and follow him to see if he left it ajar.

And if it is ajar, close it again. His ticket will let him get back into the front door. There is simply no need to leave a backdoor ajar. It is also unauthorized.

Situational awareness.
 

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