How prepared are you?

festus

God Bless Our Troops!!!
How prepared are you? I am not saying to post every bean and bullet...but take a mental inventory of where you are and where you would like to be. Somewhere in between is where you need to be.

For example:
+10
Self sufficient, garden, chickens, livestock, well and the ability to fish and or hunt. Gun owner with food and fuel set aside. Ham radio and other more secure means of comm. (could live for 3-6 months comfortably)

-10
Urban Dweller no real outdoor skills; gun owner but does not use or maintain weapon...little or no ammo...little or no storage of supplies due to space, cost, etc. No fuel set aside...cell phone for primary means of comm with no backups.

-100
welfare recipient with no job skills, will to work or any thing set aside. drug dependency and no real education


As for me...I'd have to say I was about +3 or so.
 
Yeah, I've been weighing this since Festus posed the question, and I just can't rate myself higher than +2
 
Being medically retired, I'd say I rate between a -2 or -3. I do some hunting and a lot of fishing (although I toss the fish back, afterall, this is NC, and most of the lakes here are polluted!). :cray:
 
how prepared are you?

well being 100% disabled i'd have to say economicly -100, being able to live off the land i'd say pretty good having lived in a national forrest for 18 months till i finaly got my v.a. dissability and s.s. started after loosing my place on the lake in hot springs,ar.
 
We call it 'Sustainable Living' and it's a personal choice...
A 'Lifestyle Change' to beat a dead horse of a slogan one last time...

Solar, Photo Voltaic (electric),
Indefinite, panels guaranteed for between 25 & 35 years.
Limited daytime production without battery backup.
Powers the entire house, out buildings, well pump, ect.

Solar, Thermal.
Outdoor solar cooker,
Outdoor solar thermal collectors for hot water.

Deep Limestone filtered well.
Electric pump with backup hanging on the wall.
Hand pump in case both electric pumps go out.

Lake for back up on top of that.
Still have my 'Solar Still' for distilled water purification production, although I'd have to dig it out of the storage building.

2 ea. 20 Foot long shipping containers buried for 'Root Cellars',
Good SECURE, DRY Cold Storage.
Probably have 2 years worth of home canned food, plus a good quantity of 'Store Purchased' stuff.

LARGE garden, fruit trees, berry vines, and about 20 acres of crop space (currently leased out for income).
17 Acres of pasture for live stock and hay cutting (currently leased out to horse owners for income).

Rabbit cages currently, plan on chickens later.
Have Guinea birds right now for insect, particularly tick control. Guineas LOVE ticks and they make great non-plouting tick and insect control, and they are pretty good 'Watch Dogs' also.

3.5 Acres of woods, mostly nut bearing hard woods,
Beach, Hickory, Ash, Pecan, Walnut, Sycamore and some Maple.
Growing mushrooms on the down trees from the storms a few years ago,
Not quite as good as 'Wild' mushrooms, but plentiful and tasty.

Growing flowers and decorative plants/herbs for extra income.
You wouldn't believe what 'Lavender' sells for in a collage town down the road!

My Melons are coming in, and the first of the sweet corn is almost ready.
Cantaloupe, watermelons, squash, 5 kinds of beans, 3 kinds of potatoes and two kinds of peas this year,
Radishes, lettuce, turnips, beets, Strawberries, and a bunch of other stuff is making my life really good at meal times!

We have popcorn this year, usually only grow pop corn about every 5 years,
You usually don't want to store popcorn more than about 5 years, and the excess makes good animal feed.

Rabbits are multiplying.... Well... Like RABBITS!

Small lake/large pond has bluegill, red ear, Crappie, Cats and bass in it, along with turtles and frogs.
Favorite watering hole for everything from the farm mutt dog to deer and bobcats.

The retarded dog eats grasshoppers like they are good, so he's self supporting in an 'Emergency'

House is nearly self supporting, earth sheltered on three sides and the top,
And it's insulated to hell and back,
So it's VERY easy to heat/cool.

Built with passive solar design in mind, it's pretty much self heating in spring and fall, self cooling in the summer, and we have to add a little heat in the winter,
Heat is currently supplied by two primary sources, Electricity which we produce on site (Via PV Solar) and propane which we still have to buy.
I have two 300 gallon underground tanks currently, and they have lasted over two years without refill.
(I buy when the price is DOWN in the summer and store for needed times)

We have a 'Rocket Mass' type wood burner as back up and for ambiance lighting/heat.
That stupid 'Wood Burner' DOUBLED my insurance rates even though the home is pretty much concrete and there isn't much to burn!
Shouldn't have told them what it was for, burner wasn't installed when insurance inspected the house during construction.

I hunt, fish, sometimes trap, and it's all for the freezer, I don't have ANY dead animal parts mounted.

Two electric vehicles, golf cart for getting around the 'Farm' and a small electric truck for going to town or hauling wood, or whatever.
When they aren't being used, they are plugged into the solar array charging in the daytime and vehicle batteries provide nighttime power to the inverters to power the house.

Diesel welder/Generator provide 'Back Up' power in the event we don't have sun for several days at a time and provides 220 volt power for the garage when I need something that really sucks power or need to do some welding.
Diesel stores MUCH better than gasoline, but not as well as propane does.
300 gallon above ground 'Farm' diesel tank behind the garage/shop for tractor, generator, lawn mower, ect.

Welding/machine work supplement the income and make for easy on site construction/repairs.

'Bone Yard' or 'Back Fence Row' vehicles provide parts for my old Full Size Jeep Wagon and little Jeeps, along with providing parts for my wind mill projects and a ton of other stuff.

My gun range parallels the drive way and gives me range markers for anyone that would approach with 'Ill Will', and the house is VERY secure, and if we needed to, we could fall back into the 'Root Cellars' which are virtually impervious.

I'd say I'm pretty well 'Self Sufficient', but I'd sure miss soft toilet paper and 'Starbucks' coffees!
(everyone has their vices! )

So, how do you think I'd rate?...

Spent 12 years and about $200K on setting all this up, but it's *ALMOST* the way I want it... Never QUITE done...
Keeps me from playing in traffic! Lots of work!
 
If I had to rate myself based on my gardening skills this year I'd be in trouble AND thanking God I'm a better hunter/fisherman! My garden turned out BAD this year to say the least. I'll be working on it over the next several seasons. That and taking stock in a LOT of packs of seeds for "just in case".
 
Right now, I guess 1 or 2: Have weapons, well-trained, use 'em frequently, am a meat hunter and kill and process all our game, have some food and fuel stockpiled, have gas-powered generator. We alway have plenty of firewood on hand to heat the house in winter if we need to (and we have, as the occasional blizzard takes out the power, and at -35 you better be prepared), and food stockpiles (essentials, some canned stuff, a freezer full of game) to last for a few months.

This past weekend, my son and I settled on a 20-acre property where the whitetails do play. Immediate plans (besides whacking whitetails) are for major garden and a calf or two to fatten up for the freezer. I suspect I'll bump my "number" up one or two points by next spring.
 
I don't know about 'SURVIVAL',
But we are pretty self sufficient, about 85% right now.









We have a LARGE garden build over the septic system leach bed.
Even the septic does two jobs before it gets away!
I CALL BS ON THIS ONE...THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE PEOPLE SICK OR GET THEM KILLED!!!
Septic Tanks, Leach Fields and Vegetable Gardens
Septic Tanks, Leach Fields and Vegetable Gardens
Can you have a vegetable garden over a septic tank leach field? On some lots it seems like the majority of the lot is septic tank. Even if you have extra land, the septic tank takes up the best spot on the best soil.

If the septic tank leach field always worked there would be no problem with a garden over the top. Unfortunately, septic tank leach fields are not on the short list of perfect things. I guess most people have smelled a catastrophic septic tank failure. This is the kind of situation where you wouldn't want to harvest the garden, let alone eat anything out of it. The only thing you would lose in a situation like this would be one year's harvest. Even more hazardous would be a short term failure that introduced pathogens to the soil surface without creating an obvious smelly long term problem. In addition to being hazardous, this type of failure is more common. While human waste has been used as fertilizer for 1000's of years, it carries more risk than I think is necessary.

If at all possible, I would garden somewhere else.

If a leach field is the only place I could garden, I would stay away from root crops and leafy crops. Things that bear a fruit like greenbeans, squash and tomatoes would be the only crops I would grow. I would stake as many vegetables as I could, including things like cucumbers that I normally don't stake.

Washing and peeling would reduce pathogens. Of course high temperatures normally created while cooking will destroy pathogens also.

I don't know of any research based information on mulches in a situation like this. Some people think mulches would reduce the amount of pathogen that might splatter onto the plant. I lean toward the view, that mulches will reduce the amount of water evaporation creating a higher incidence of soil saturation. Saturated soil is not good in a leach field. I would avoid mulches.

Some people say stay away from raised beds for the same reason. I don't think a raised bed would cause a problem with reduced evaporation, but it isn't going to help solve any pathogenic problems either. The same cautions mentioned above would apply.

If you do decide to garden over a leach field be careful with your tillage. 40 years ago septic lines were 5 and 6 foot deep. I am not sure what the current depth is but I know it is a lot less. At 5 and 6 foot the nitrogen in the effluent was gradually sinking into the water supply. At 1 to 2 foot the nutrients have a chance to get recaptured by the plants growing on the surface. So the shallower depths are better for the environment but it does increase the possibility of destroying the lines during cultivation.

Plants that receive too much nitrogen from any source including leach fields will not be as nutritional as plants grown without excess nitrogen.

In conclusion, you can garden over a leach field but it is not the best situation.

Article was written by David Goforth Agriculture Extension agent North Carolina Cooperative Extension Cabarrus County Center. Visit my homepage Cabarrus County*Center: Home or Cabarrus County*Center: Lawn & Garden or my blog Gardening Guru Goforth

Contact me at [email protected]. Reviewed 2007.
 
Why would you call 'BS'..,
Because it has the potential for being unsanitary,
or because you don't believe anyone would build on top of a septic system?

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You are of course assuming we don't have a 'Proper' septic system...

We spent a TON of money on the septic system, and the only way for harmful contamination to get into the food supply is if we get flooded.
Ground saturation CAN bring some of the contaminants to the surface...

We are on a hill with good grade, so having saturation where we are is unlikely.
We have a VERY over sized septic system (Built for expansion) so 'Backups' or 'Overflows' aren't likely...
But would be noticed.

Root and tuber plants would be at risk first, potatoes, radishes, turnips, ect.
Then things that lay on the ground that you don't peel...
Strawberries for instance.

The county inspector actually warned us AGAINST having the garden too close to the septic when it was installed, and the booklets you have to read to get a septic system permit/inspection spelled it all out.
I grew up with TWO septic system fed gardens with no 'Issues', this isn't' my first rodeo...

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Since it's not my first rodeo, and I've been a farm kid all my life, I'm going to clue you into something you don't know...

Farm/Feed Lot Run Off and using 'Organic' fertilizers are MUCH MORE LIKELY to give you something bad than your PROPERLY INSTALLED AND FUNCTIONING septic system!

It's the idiots that buy cow manure and throw it on the garden AFTER the plats emerge that causes problems!

Once plants emerge, you CAN NOT use raw 'Organic' fertilizers on them!
You are DIRECTLY contaminating your food!

The recent E-coli outbreaks in pre-packaged salads were directly traced to 'Corporate Farmers' that in one case got a flooded field with feed lot run off contaminating the emerged plants,
And in the second large case, chicken and cow manure was liquefied and sprayed on the emerged plants Directly contaminating them!

If you remember back a few years,
Apple Juice was responsible for an E-coli outbreak.

Pickers picked up apples with deer crap stuck to them and introduced the contaminated waste product into 3 million gallons of apple juice targeted for kids.
Hundreds seriously sickened, 4 dead, 11 people on dialysis for life because of the damage to kidneys and others with organ failure that will eventually lead to death, just very slowly and painfully.

EVERY FARM KID knows you don't add 'Organics' to the garden after you plant!
Something the 'Corporate' and 'City' *Farmers* should learn!

Every fall and every spring you clean the chicken coop, throw the waste on the garden and plow/disk it in.
After the first GOOD RAIN, you can start to plant.

Same with cow waste as 'Organic' fertilizer,
Let it set until DRY, then plow/disk it into the soil, leave it a while until you get a GOOD HARD rain, then plant.

If you check the almanac, you will see 'Moon Phases' to fertilize and plant by...
There is ALWAYS a month between fertilizer and planting if you pay attention.

We have a DEEP leach bed, proper, and actually over sized gravel propagation fingers, layer of clay between garden and anything 'Nasty',
And if your septic is working 'Correctly' there shouldn't' be much in the way of seriously harmful bacteria coming out of it.
I wouldn't drink it, but it should be mostly nitrates and proteins and not much live bacteria,
And the trap is in there to keep the active bacteria from migrating through the tank chambers unchecked.

Stuff like E-coli should get eaten by the beneficial bacteria before it migrates that far...

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And I'm not trying to sell this as a home game,
If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T DO IT!

I've been living off produce from over septic systems for 50 years now, and I don't seem to be any worse for it,
Wake up at 5:30 every morning, have breakfast, coffee, and start working,
Stop for lunch, work all afternoon,
Stop for dinner, work a little more or goof off a while,
Have a snack and go to bed...

Same routine for about 50 years now with no serious illness (KNOCK ON WOOD! probably just jinxed myself!)...

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Since I've ALWAYS been a farm kid, there is a reason why I warn about food supply!

Large cow, pig, chicken, turkey produces should be FORCED to treat the sewage they produce!
HUGE concentrations of Sewage escapes those places... UNTREATED!
Any hard rain or even minor flooding means it gets DIRECTLY into gardens, farms, water supplies, ect.

You don't have that problem with 'Free Range' or pasture raised meat production!

Again, you have to remember the animals are FORCED to eat where they defaecate,
So if ANY of them has a 'Bug' they ALL HAVE IT!

Production meat plants will grind 2,000 Cows a day into hamburger.
If ONE of those microbes rides into ANY of that meat, the entire production is contaminated!

And since some plants operate 24/7, the saws, grinding equipment, packaging equipment might not get cleaned for a week or more,
So you wind up with MILLIONS of pounds of contaminated meat.

The run off from the 'Feed Lots' and 'Processing Lots' contaminates the surrounding farm fields, crops, gardens, yards and water supply.
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When you buy a 'Roast' and have it ground at the store into 'Hamburger',
You are getting the meat from ONE cow, usually ground in a grinder that gets cleaned at least ONCE a day.
Reduces your chances of catching something you DON'T WANT!

If you buy from a FARMER that pasture raises his live stock, the chances of E-coli or anything else go WAY DOWN.
The animal isn't kept in a feed lot where it has to eat where it defecates,
It doesn't usually go to market if it's 'Sick',
Most small, local slaughter and processing houses will clean equipment between animals,
And they won't process anything that is obviously sick...

You get HEALTHY beef,
Prepared by guys that won't drop something on the floor with the guts and put it back on the line,
Take as much times as in takes to make SURE they don't punch the intestines when they process the animal,
and take pride in their work!

You can go back to eating Rare meat again without getting the 'Squirts' or worse!

And you get MUCH better tasting and better TEXTURE meats!
Not that 90 year old dairy cows or that south american 'Brush Beast' crap they call 'Meat' in the stores!

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Same with pork,
You get pork that doesn't hatch worm eggs when you leave it in the sun and it warms up!

Why do you think they recommend you heat pork to 180 degrees internal temp?
Trichinosis for one thing, and when they are raised in a feed lot they ALL have it since they are forced to eat where they defaecate!

If you ever saw a production poultry house or processing plant you would NEVER touch another chicken or egg from the stores!

Besides, I don't like that mushy, purple meat they call 'Chicken' at KFC...
Farm 'Free Range' chickens, even if the 'Range' is the barn lot, is MUCH better than that squishy crap they raise in the production houses,

And the EGGS ARE WONDERFUL! Rich, tasty, just MUCH better than the crap you buy in the stores...
It's the watered down, softened, 'Production' diet the poultry get, and the lack of exercise,
Since the waste is ammonia rich, they often donut' even get enough oxygen to make proper muscle, even if they did get a reasonable diet and had enough room for some exercise.

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Anyway, I have a LARGE garden, we CAN, DRY, JERK, Pickle EVERYTHING we have found a way to preserve...
The rest we freeze! (Freezers take maintenance and power, so canning is preferable for us)

No issues yet...

Thanks for the concern though! ;)
 
How much tin foil do you have in that hat of yours ?

Well, I'm NOT the one preparing for 'End Of The World'...
Simply reducing my footprint on the planet,
And I HATE to pay for things like water and electricity.

I would rather spend my money on things that make my life more 'Sustainable' than Chinese made trinkets at Wally-World.

The 'Tin Foil Hat' guys are the ones that buy up MREs then don't store them properly or have any way to replace them when gone.
As long as you rotate your home canned stuff, it's 'Renewable' and less process, more nutritious, and you KNOW what's in it.

It's the guys with a house full of survival store crap and surplus this or that...
Those are the guys that worry me.

They have guns, but no means to feed them selves beyond what's in the kitchen right now...
There is a reason I don't live close to any big cities, there are a LOT of people there that will be VERY HUNGRY - VERY QUICKLY...

And like when the tornado blew away a town south of us, or when hurricane Andrew blew away south Florida, things got crazy there for quite a while...

I like the idea of being impervious to floods, fire, power grid failure, water contamination, ect.
And my water doesn't taste like chlorine!

If I'm a 'Tin Foil Hat Wearer' to you because I like clean food and clean water, and I like the lights to come on when I want them to instead of when the electric company decides they will get around to fixing something or another,
Then I wear that badge proudly!

Lots of storms this spring, power off for almost a week one time, 3 days another, 11 times total in June alone... I heard about it at the local cafe at lunch time, didn't have those issues, or the bill they send to NOT get your power fixed!

Yup, I'm the 'Stupid' one... :biggrin:
 
Well, I'm NOT the one preparing for 'End Of The World'...
Simply reducing my footprint on the planet,
And I HATE to pay for things like water and electricity.

I would rather spend my money on things that make my life more 'Sustainable' than Chinese made trinkets at Wally-World.

The 'Tin Foil Hat' guys are the ones that buy up MREs then don't store them properly or have any way to replace them when gone.
As long as you rotate your home canned stuff, it's 'Renewable' and less process, more nutritious, and you KNOW what's in it.

It's the guys with a house full of survival store crap and surplus this or that...
Those are the guys that worry me.

They have guns, but no means to feed them selves beyond what's in the kitchen right now...
There is a reason I don't live close to any big cities, there are a LOT of people there that will be VERY HUNGRY - VERY QUICKLY...

And like when the tornado blew away a town south of us, or when hurricane Andrew blew away south Florida, things got crazy there for quite a while...

I like the idea of being impervious to floods, fire, power grid failure, water contamination, ect.
And my water doesn't taste like chlorine!

If I'm a 'Tin Foil Hat Wearer' to you because I like clean food and clean water, and I like the lights to come on when I want them to instead of when the electric company decides they will get around to fixing something or another,
Then I wear that badge proudly!

Lots of storms this spring, power off for almost a week one time, 3 days another, 11 times total in June alone... I heard about it at the local cafe at lunch time, didn't have those issues, or the bill they send to NOT get your power fixed!

Yup, I'm the 'Stupid' one... :biggrin:
We believe in being prepared for the unexpected. (natural or man caused)

We have enough food stored for two years (came in handy when the men were not working did not need to go to the food bank). Enough wood and coal for two years to stay warm (low cost and no need to ask for help heating the house from tax payers if work is slow). Water source for when the power goes out and it does that a lot around here. One years prescriptions meds and first aid kit( we get snowed in for as long as a week at a time). Ammo and rifles for hunting and protection. Animal feed for one year. Fuel for the equipment and generator (two hours a day would last us for 8 months in case of a true emergency). Non-hybrid seeds for a five acre garden to share with others if the need ever comes. 1/2 acre garden normal for canning don't like chemicals in our food.

No bills except taxes and utilities (we include the internet in this). Ability to sew, do wood work, mechanical repair and other basic and advanced skills.
 
I have a lot of 'Heritage' plants, the old time tomatoes, beans, ect.
I like the taste of them better than the newer 'Processing Friendly' stuff,
The processing tomatoes have thick skins so they can be picked with a machine,
Same with the beans.

We have several fruit bearing trees, the old time pears that don't go mushy in a few days, apple trees that everything doesn't ripen at the same time so we get some time to can/dry the fruit (if we can keep the deer out of it! :( ) and the potatoes all come up about the same time, even though we plant 3 or 4 kinds so they can be harvested in one day or two, instead of spending a month waiting for this or that type to mature.

People think planting brier thickets is pretty silly, but having those big, juicy black berries is just the thing for early summer pies and cobblers,
And the thickets in the right places keep the deer out of the garden!

I don't much care what others think, this works for US!
No gadgets, No special stuff, just some work and weeding, and the garden turns out pretty well each year,
Produces WAY More than we can eat, so I put up the extra, rotate stock, and keep seeds...

I'm not planning for 'Holocaust', or the 'End Of The World',
If they pop a nuclear device, I'll probably be like everyone else and just die.
But if the economy collapses, If there is a big old natural disaster, I'm covered.

IF there isn't something catastrophic in my future, I'm making a much smaller footprint on the planet,
Keeping from buying imported energy (Let the Arabs eat that oil they are sitting on!), and recycling EVERYTHING I possibly can from tin cans to rabbit crap!

It keeps money in my pocket, keeps me from getting fat and lazy, and when I drop dead, I leave something behind that someone might actually USE.
 
Thanks for continuing to ask us the thinking questions Festus.

If it's in the summer I could last a bit longer than in the winter, being that I have a lot of bills to pay before I can get that wood burning stove. Currently, I'm barely on the plus side of zero.

But I'm thinking more about it now! But thinking about the bills rarely gets them paid faster!
 
Well...I've been a "prepper" for just over 10 years now.

We have a good sized chunk of land that is decently defensible, along with 2 mining claims in nearby federal wilderness...our home is the "bugout location" for just over a dozen family and close friends. We have basic food enough to keep us going for about 16 mos at this point (asssuming supplement with game and fish that is available on the property and nearby "public" land) and I have a backup of life sustaining meds for just over a year so far.

We have decent backup DC power and a stock of reference material on CD with 3 laptops shielded from possible EMP.

I am Ranger trained and another member of the group is a retired SF Ops NCO. We have a good stock of defensive equipment (actually enough that some would end up being barter goods).

By the standards set by the OP, we would be about a 9 (since the only weakness from the set of criteria used in the OP is commo), but I personally feel there is still much we can do and we consistently look for (and find) ways to improve our situation.

I am a member of a couple of "prepper" forums and (while I don't post much) I suck up every idea I read there.
 

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