How do you rate Mr. Obama's job performance thus far?
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Piece Corps
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And at the same time, he is cutting military spending drastically. The defense budget will be emasculated because Obama doesn't believe that we need to be worried about our enemies any more. After all, he's apologized to all of them, and now they are all our friends.
Someone else, please tell me ONE THING Obama has done to make this coutry better. Just ONE FRIKKIN' THING! And anyone who mentions the minimum wage will be taken out and summarily executed.
He has cut the F-22 program but is continuing the F-35 program (except for an alternate engine). The F-35 has a wider mission capability. He has also signed on for more F-18's, as well as some other programs. Even McCain showed support for these:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the 2008 GOP presidential nominee, said in a written statement that Gates' plan was a "major step in the right direction."
Don't get me wrong Obama has done little for the country and has shown contempt for religeon and the 2A.
Bohemian
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F-22 V. F-35
The decision to stop production of the F-22 has raised some eyebrows, but it was not unexpected. It is part of Obama's plan to lavish money on groups like ACORN while cutting back on military programs. The F-22 is superior to any other aircraft on the drawing boards today including the F-35. But it is too expensive in the minds of many in the Pentagon and the administration, although it has its proponents in Congress and may still be saved in a more limited production. One of its problems is that despite its superiority, the F-35 is also superior to potential adversaries too and it cost much less.
The F-22 is already in service, but it has yet to fly a combat mission to my knowledge. That gives its opponents an argument when you can buy a fleet of UAVs which are running around the clock combat missions for the price of one F-22.
I am of the opinion that we need to be prepared to fight both major combat operations and counterinsurgency operations. If we get in a war involving major combat operations the military is going to wish it had the F-22s that are being cut.
What proponents need to do is to find a way to keep the assembly line working and hope that its benefits become more apparent.
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Some readers thoughts on the F-22:
1. The F-22 is the successor to the old stealth fighter (F-117), the last of which was retired last year. The F-35 is not as stealthy as the F-22. Shouldn't we ensure that we maintain the stealth capability that we've had since the mid-1980s and which is a proven game-winner?
2. You are correct that Gates was originally appointed by Bush. To Gates' great credit, however, he is a loyal subordinate to his boss, whether that boss is Bush or Obama. There is no question this budget ultimately reflects Obama's priorities rather than Gates'. There is no better proof of this than the fact that Gates argued for increases in missile defense funding while serving Bush but is now arguing for cuts in these programs under Obama. This doesn't mean he's a hypocrite, it merely shows he is loyal to his boss, whoever that boss may be.
An Air Force veteran notes:2. You are correct that Gates was originally appointed by Bush. To Gates' great credit, however, he is a loyal subordinate to his boss, whether that boss is Bush or Obama. There is no question this budget ultimately reflects Obama's priorities rather than Gates'. There is no better proof of this than the fact that Gates argued for increases in missile defense funding while serving Bush but is now arguing for cuts in these programs under Obama. This doesn't mean he's a hypocrite, it merely shows he is loyal to his boss, whoever that boss may be.
If you recall a few decades ago a small plane flew from Germany to Moscow. That suggested to some that we were spending a lot of money on defense which was unnecessary. I believe it was Pat Schroeder who peppered General Larry Welch about the incident in a committee hearing. Welch's reply was to the effect "it does not carry a payload."
I think of this when the UAV vs F-22 comes up, as if they do the same things. The F-22 was designed as an air superiority fighter. A Red Barron fighter. Fast, stealth, with its own internal Wild Weasel capability, it was designed and built to be the best in air-to-air combat against any air force anywhere in the world. It is not being used because it does not have an adversary in our current engagements. It is an Ace's Ace.
Other fighters are designed to be multi-role, fighter and strike, air-to-air and ground attack. The F-15 Eagle F-15E is a modified F-15, two seater, a Strike Eagle. The aircraft uses two crew members, a pilot and a weapon systems officer. Previous models of the F-15 are assigned air-to-air roles.
The F-35 is a multi-role fighter.
The F-22 was not designed to do what the UAVs are doing. The UAVs cannot perform the missions of an F-22 in a strike force.
I think the USAF wants about 240 total to have what they see as a minimum to keep an adequate number forward in oversea theaters while maintaining a training and rotation base at home in the CONUS. If you are on a force structure desk in the pentagon this argument makes a lot of sense. The budget guys, however, just say, I hear you, and then look at the numbers they must work within.
The core problem is the Obama administration's lack of understanding. This is not the time to throttle back on missile defense and to undercut our allies while playing nice to our adversaries who will not reciprocate--they will just up their demands for more preemptive disarmament.
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Both make some good points. There does seem to be some pretty good push back so far against these proposed cuts. I think Obama may have miscalculated on the politics of the defense cuts. I think of this when the UAV vs F-22 comes up, as if they do the same things. The F-22 was designed as an air superiority fighter. A Red Barron fighter. Fast, stealth, with its own internal Wild Weasel capability, it was designed and built to be the best in air-to-air combat against any air force anywhere in the world. It is not being used because it does not have an adversary in our current engagements. It is an Ace's Ace.
Other fighters are designed to be multi-role, fighter and strike, air-to-air and ground attack. The F-15 Eagle F-15E is a modified F-15, two seater, a Strike Eagle. The aircraft uses two crew members, a pilot and a weapon systems officer. Previous models of the F-15 are assigned air-to-air roles.
The F-35 is a multi-role fighter.
The F-22 was not designed to do what the UAVs are doing. The UAVs cannot perform the missions of an F-22 in a strike force.
I think the USAF wants about 240 total to have what they see as a minimum to keep an adequate number forward in oversea theaters while maintaining a training and rotation base at home in the CONUS. If you are on a force structure desk in the pentagon this argument makes a lot of sense. The budget guys, however, just say, I hear you, and then look at the numbers they must work within.
The core problem is the Obama administration's lack of understanding. This is not the time to throttle back on missile defense and to undercut our allies while playing nice to our adversaries who will not reciprocate--they will just up their demands for more preemptive disarmament.
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That being said...
The USURPER OBAMA STILL GETS AN F- IN MY VIEW...
Much like Slick Willie's cannibalization of the U.S. Military for 8 years so he could claim a so-called surplus; left us with zero pieces of body armor and ripe for 911 when he left office, the Usurper Obama & Company are leaving us ripe for the next 911...
gdcleanfun
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I'd give him a D+. He's done a few good things, but not many!
JBozeman
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Can't agree with anybody who has a "Regime" in the Whitehouse. He is not interested in an Admistration.
I'll stop there because for me everything about his Regime is inflamatory! I had to many Ancestors who died in the Revolutionary War to keep such from happening to our Country. King George III now resides in the Whitehouse! :wacko:
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Boze
I'll stop there because for me everything about his Regime is inflamatory! I had to many Ancestors who died in the Revolutionary War to keep such from happening to our Country. King George III now resides in the Whitehouse! :wacko:
Take Care
Stay Safe
Boze
The very few good things Obama has done:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/us/politics/30ledbetter-web.html
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Bohemian
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Scarecrow
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I had to go with strongly disapprove. whatever this idiot is doing doesn't even sit remotely well with me. the fact of the matter is that he is hiding something. first of all he should have presented his original birth certificate to prove he is qualified for the position. he has not done that which should have immediately disqualified him. he brings us closer and closer to socialism. he puts a huge rush on bills not letting them be fully read first. is this what we want at the head of our country?
Tired Texan
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So far, we now have effectively nationalized the financial institutions, mortgage banking, two auto manufacturers and are on the way with the health plan and the cap and tax, etc. to a completely socialist country. Not to mention apologizing to the world for our troops dying in order to help out other countries.
The hopey/changey thing is just not working for me!!
The hopey/changey thing is just not working for me!!
come-and-take-it-FL
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Was that a sympathy vote… or, do you sincerely “strongly approve” of Obama’s job performance thus far? If sincere, can you share some of the reasons for your strong approval? I'm just curious...
HK4U
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If someone strongly approved of Hitler, Stalin, Nero and the anti Christ they would love the Obamanation.
Now come on JW, surely there are some things Obama has done that you disapprove of. After all, no one is perfect. Look at the polls, his popularity is slipping fast.
utimmer43
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HA! You're still a little new here.:laugh: Have a look at some of JW's past posts. Far from a sympathy vote.
utimmer43
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You're making my case (for strongly dis-approve) for me.
So equal pay and making sure kids are taken care of is a bad thing?
utimmer43
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The Lilly Ledbetter Act wasn't about equal pay, it was about the statute of limitations. Unfortunately for Ms. Ledbetter, she didn't discover the pay discrepancy until years after the S.O.L. expired. And to that, I say tough luck. She didn't seem to have a problem with her wage until she discovered that it was less than some of her co-workers. I personally believe that a co-worker's wage is none of my business, and that my wage is an agreement between myself and my employer. If I don't like what I am getting paid, I can go ask for a raise. If I don't get it, or I still think it's not enough, I have the right to seek employment elsewhere.
As for SCHIP, I make sure MY kids are taken care of. Why should I also have to take care of someone elses kids? I didn't have the fun of making them, nor do I have any influence in the way they are raised, which most likely will be to rely on the government their whole life. Ride the slippery slope, and here we are now, fighting tooth and nail to avoid Obamacare. Additionally, these crooks sold this program to us by telling us that it is primarily funded by the increased tax on cigarettes. But wait a minute, I thought the cig tax was supposed to help with the health costs of smokers. And what happens when you tax a behavior? Fewer people engage in such behavior, and the tax revenue goes away. It won't be long before the cost for SCHIP far exceeds the cig tax revenue, and where do you think funding will then have to come from?
As for the embryo research ban, I don't even give him credit for that. That amendment has been in that appropriations bill for 13 years. I would have given him more credit if he had vetoed it because of that amendment. Not that I would have agreed with it, but it would have atleast shown that he stands up for something he strongly believes in.
The Ledbetter Act: "To amend title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, and to modify the operation of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to clarify that a discriminatory compensation decision or other practice that is unlawful under such Acts occurs each time compensation is paid pursuant to the discriminatory compensation decision or other practice, to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide more effective remedies to victims of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex, and for other purposes." This is about equal pay. As for kids they can't take care of themselves and some of the "parents" shouldn't have had children. They deserve a start in life regardless of where they came from. After becoming adults, well they're on their own. Embryo research is a controversial subject and differences of opinion are normal. There is very little good Obama has done for this country but what little he has done should be recognized. This does not mean it corrects the wrongs or makes his Presidency a good one. I, along with many others, can't wait for his four years to be over. Hopefully by then people will realize the mistake and elect someone else.
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