Home Invasion-Self Defense

[fedempl]

A home invasion situation in a home in NW Shelby Co. near the area (formerly town?) of Pleasant View. The homeowner gave several warnings verbally to leave. Had his hand inside the door to try to open it. Homeowner went to retrieve gun, gave one more warning then shot perp through the door. Perp was shot in teh hip and exited through the butt, no charges will be filed as homeowner was protecting his home.

 

[Phillip Gain]

Maybe a link to the news story on this?

 

[rich45r]

good for his dumb ass he should had been shot

 

[Firefighterchen]

Link please.

Did he know what he was shooting at? Glad there was no unintentional target behind that door.

 

[fedempl]

Sorry not at home. Will post one when I get home.

 

[fedempl]

Here is the link

http://m.wthr.com/w/localnews/story/57664923/

 

[Dale64]

Did he know what he was shooting at? Glad there was no unintentional target behind that door.

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Investigators say he broke through a side panel and was reaching in trying turn the knob from the inside when the homeowner fired a single shot, hitting the suspect in the hip.

The moment you break thru a side panel and reach in to turn the knob, you just became the intentional target

 

[kelcarry]

Forceable entry--may not be a complete entry but certainly was in the act--Castle Doctrine--shoot.
Discussing home defense particularly at night I currently have in place the following procedure:
I lock my bedroom door and put a door stopper under the door, near the opening
I have my cell phone, my remote car alarm, a flashlight (would not normally use since I know where I am in the bedroom and the BG does not where he is or where I am--the light will only tell him this fact.
I have a semi auto behind my bed and a shotgun within 10 ft in my closet
Someone enters my home--everything I have in all the rooms sans my bedroom is insured and replaceable (just my wife and I and no other people or kids in other areas of house--a very different scenario for others to face)
I will not open the bedroom door--I will call 911, I will activate car alarm, I will retrieve my semi and my shotgun and place myself in a predetermined very advantageous position and I will wait--either LEOs arrive in time or thte BGs leave before the LEOs arrive
I will not confront anyone outside of my bedroom--they may be better than me and unlike my "stuff", I am not replaceable
If for some reason they want to find out what is behind door #1, they will never leave the way they came in
My only concern after the fact will be the replacement of a door jam and some bedroom carpeting

 

[scfd5]

Kelcarry, that is the exact situation my ccw instructor told us about in class. Since mn does not have the castle doc this is almost what we need to do to be legal in the eyes of the law. However i have kids so my plan is a little differnt but we still have a plan or two depending on were every is when something happens. I think that is the best advise just have a plan and practice it just like a fire drill.

 

[longslide10]

Kelcarry, that is the exact situation my ccw instructor told us about in class. Since mn does not have the castle doc this is almost what we need to do to be legal in the eyes of the law. However i have kids so my plan is a little differnt but we still have a plan or two depending on were every is when something happens. I think that is the best advise just have a plan and practice it just like a fire drill.

I would beg to differ. Just because a state doesn't have a castle doctrine doesn't mean you can't defend your life or property with DF, just don't shoot the scumbag in the back as he's exiting your home. I think the castle doctrine just alleviates many questions from cops and the DA. One thing I don't understand is why we even need the law in the first place, has common sense gone that far out the window?

 

[taurus382]

I believe "castle" laws are more for protection against lawsuits from the family of the scumbag you shoot (or the scumbag himself if he recovers). Everybody wants to sue for wrongful death or injury, and the legilators are starting to realize one shouldn't lose their fanancial security for defending themiselves and families. These laws make it much harder to sue the defending party because it says we have an absolulte right to peace and security in our "castle." Not facing a law suit is much cheaper than defending against one in court.

 

[walt629]

Shot him in the azz the long way around! Darn that had to hurt! Good for the home owner.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Did he know what he was shooting at? Glad there was no unintentional target behind that door.

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Investigators say he broke through a side panel and was reaching in trying turn the knob from the inside when the homeowner fired a single shot, hitting the suspect in the hip.

The moment you break thru a side panel and reach in to turn the knob, you just became the intentional target

What I meant was, besides one body being behind the door, he didn't know who else was behind the door, or beyond the criminal. Know your target, and whats in front and behind it. Don't get me wrong, I am glad it turned out all right, I was just trying to provide another aspect.

 

[Nightmare45]

By wrong home, was he going to rob the next door neighbor first, once you are on my clearly marked property, it is criminal trespass, coming in the door, window or panel makes you dog food first then tactically neutralized.

 

[Dale64]

I know I am probably going to get bashed for saying this, but I am going to anyway.
Sometimes my own self preservation and the lives of others outweigh the "rules".

 

[jabatam]

I know I am probably going to get bashed for saying this, but I am going to anyway.
Sometimes my own self preservation and the lives of others outweigh the "rules".

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6?

 

[fedempl]

The door he was breaking into has glass panels, so the HO could see what was behind the idiot that was breaking in.

 

[sig p6]

So here in wisconsin we have a shoot in Slinger Wisconsin about a a guy at home.A Drinking party next store hosted by a under age daughters that went bad. The guy ( next home owner )go'sand complains to the party people , about all the noise and say's i'm going to call the p.o. A while later the P.O come and bust the party and every one runs. So the guy who complaind hears someone on on his porch and thinks someone is coming to get him because he complained about the party.The party guy hid's on his porch trying to get away of the P. O and was shot and killed by the home owner.Becaues he thought someone wa s comming to get him because he complained.
And then they the try and link this to the FL shoot?

Really!

 

[Caribou]

What I meant was, besides one body being behind the door, he didn't know who else was behind the door, or beyond the criminal. Know your target, and whats in front and behind it. Don't get me wrong, I am glad it turned out all right, I was just trying to provide another aspect.

My guess is that even if he couldn't see through the glass he had a good idea what was on the other side of the door, I certainly do around my home. Unless he was shooting from the hip (literally) then he was shooting at a downward angle to hit him in the hip. This means that the round likely never left the property.

Anyone standing behind him would have been a part of the burglary team and as such he would have been subject to deadly force. In a drive by shooting the other occupants may not have any fore knowledge of the shooting (unlikely but possible). It would be an unwise decision to bail out of a car once the shooting starts. If you go up to a house and your partner starts to break in and you don't run, or better yet stop him, then you are part of the problem and subject to the same defensive actions and prosecutions as the leader.

 

[Firefighterchen]

What I meant was, besides one body being behind the door, he didn't know who else was behind the door, or beyond the criminal. Know your target, and whats in front and behind it. Don't get me wrong, I am glad it turned out all right, I was just trying to provide another aspect.

My guess is that even if he couldn't see through the glass he had a good idea what was on the other side of the door, I certainly do around my home. Unless he was shooting from the hip (literally) then he was shooting at a downward angle to hit him in the hip. This means that the round likely never left the property.

Anyone standing behind him would have been a part of the burglary team and as such he would have been subject to deadly force. In a drive by shooting the other occupants may not have any fore knowledge of the shooting (unlikely but possible). It would be an unwise decision to bail out of a car once the shooting starts. If you go up to a house and your partner starts to break in and you don't run, or better yet stop him, then you are part of the problem and subject to the same defensive actions and prosecutions as the leader.

Finally got around to reading the article. 330 am, and if the picture in the top right of the article is the house, then I retract all my statements. I do advise still to know your target and what's behind it, but I also feel you should defend your family at all costs. I will not know exactly what I would do until it happens to me, but like I said earlier, I am glad his family is safe.

After thinking about this situation, I do believe the homeowner shouldered and fired at a downward angle to make sure that bullet did not leave his property if he missed the target. Smart thinking on his behalf, and something I will take into consideration when going over my home defense plan.