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As a Marine with 15 years exp and with one tour in Iraq, I have seen men with center mass 7.62 hits not go down. Same goes for 9mm, .45 and 5.56.....Ive also seen them hit and drop like a bag of rocks. Its about shot placement. You can kill someone with a .22. There are tests that show that bird shot works and tests that show it wont. There are tests that show that 9mm is a bad round and some that say otherwise......
A .50 handgun should work right? But what about your wife who weighs 120lbs using it? You want a system that has functionality as well as usable by the people in your home. I can put 3 rounds down range with a .410 in the same time as I can with 2 rnds of a 12 gage. My wife on the other hand can do 4 with a .410 in the same time as 2 with a 12. and much more accurately. If a 20 gage can work for your family, great! With bird you get all the rounds in one room.... with 00 or 000 you will get the penetration of walls as well as bad guys. Choose what works best for your situation. But you need to look at all aspects.
my .02 and worth what you paid for it.
festus
God Bless Our Troops!!!
I agree with ORAM
I have some of the reduced recoil OO buck for the Mossy if and when the wife needs it. Winchester made it and it functions well.
#8 birdshot at 10 feet moves as a single solid mass of lead. When it hits, it leaves what the medics call a rat hole. Hundreds of individual wound channels that all bleed independently of each other. It is a most gruesome wound that no surgeon in the world can fix. It takes a long time to pick all that shot out and start repairing the damaged areas (mostly shredded meat). The recoil is manageable, and the follow-up shot is quick. and you DID NOT use a tactical load that a liberal jury would assume you have to be a more effective killing machine. It is always good to ensure that you have done every thing you can do to alleviate legal issues.
I have some of the reduced recoil OO buck for the Mossy if and when the wife needs it. Winchester made it and it functions well.
#8 birdshot at 10 feet moves as a single solid mass of lead. When it hits, it leaves what the medics call a rat hole. Hundreds of individual wound channels that all bleed independently of each other. It is a most gruesome wound that no surgeon in the world can fix. It takes a long time to pick all that shot out and start repairing the damaged areas (mostly shredded meat). The recoil is manageable, and the follow-up shot is quick. and you DID NOT use a tactical load that a liberal jury would assume you have to be a more effective killing machine. It is always good to ensure that you have done every thing you can do to alleviate legal issues.
Good idea as along as it is your standard load. Do not want her messing around with loading it in an emergency.
Disciple
Gone Shootin'...
I have a similar setup to most here so far it sounds like. If the BG is unlucky enough to catch me awake and I have time to get to the closet, he's going to meet my Mossberg 500. I mounted two hooks high up on the inside of my closet, over the door. This is where the Mossy lives when I'm home. This one came as a Cruiser model with pistol grip, but I put a SpeedFeed stock on it with some other goodies, like a Surefire up front. I finally settled on #4 Buckshot after reviewing comparissons. If I don't have time to get to the mossy, I'm going for my Glock .40 on the nightstand. This has a Streamlight light/laser combo, an alluminum CCF Race Frame, Tritium sights, and hours and hours of practice into it. (insert shameless plug here). BTW, any Glock fans out there, highly recommend the CCF Frame, drastically improved comfort and handling for me. The G22 never seemed to fit my hands well before the switch.
This is all assuming I'm in bed. Keep in mind I don't necessarily advocate keeping loaded guns out in the open. If I'm not in bed, the Glock is locked up in a small safe under the bed, and I live alone. Also, if I'm not sleeping, I always have my Smith 1911 on me as primary carry, even around the house. Long story short, at the very least the BG will be seriously considering a swift career change.
This is all assuming I'm in bed. Keep in mind I don't necessarily advocate keeping loaded guns out in the open. If I'm not in bed, the Glock is locked up in a small safe under the bed, and I live alone. Also, if I'm not sleeping, I always have my Smith 1911 on me as primary carry, even around the house. Long story short, at the very least the BG will be seriously considering a swift career change.
Different schools of thougt. I use 00 buckshot when hunting deer and other game mammals. These hunting rounds also double as my SD ammo. I'd rather have a SD round with 9 pellets rather than a few hundred (like a birdshot shot shell). Regardless of what ammo you're using for SD, you're supposed to ensure that you have an adequate backstop, so over penetraton shouldn't be an issue.
As firearms owners, we need to evaluate all available information and make decisions on what would be best for our individual needs. As long as the we make "educated" decisions, there's really no "wrong" answer in our ammo selection. Whatever we do, we need to be sure that we'll be able to back up our actions should we ever end up in court.
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festus
God Bless Our Troops!!!
You are correct in that assessment. I was trying to back up ORAM's birdshot claim. I grew up in the peoples republik of illinios. I left and never looked back. We had a farmer in the next county sent up on murder charges for shooting some teens that broke into his house when I was a kid. I am not sure of all the details but for me it was a harbinger of things to come. God help us all if the wrong judges get appointed and legislate from the bench.
LVLouisCyphre
Obama is a mack daddy!
Here are my choices;
- Shotgun
If it's legal in your jurisdiction, short barrel it and install a folding stock. The shorter barrel will make it easier to navigate in your home. Just be forewarned that with the shorter barrel comes a reduced magazine capacity so have a methodology to reload it.
- Handgun
Have at least two spare magazines.
Very true and well written.
chuckmanley83
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Ideally, I'd like to have both. Like it has been said in this thread, a handgun and shotgun both have pros and cons.
Again, you are correct..... they are supposed to ensure they have an adequate backstop... but most people for HD dont. I have plaster walls for my bedroom since it is the designated "safe room" in my house. Solid wood door with metal frame and a deadbolt as well as a first aid kit that can handle a GSW.
Situational awareness.... people need to make sure they are informed and then choose what works best for them and what their needs are.
I have to admit, I have had this discussion on a couple of other forums and this is definitely one of the most well thought out and intelligent of those. Everyone has had very good points and they have been explainded in an intelligent manner.
BearTaylor
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I like the idea of a shotgun but my XD-45 is the goto firearm in case of an emergency.
AndrewLDoe
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An 80 lb American Bulldog that doesn't like uninvited guests and can snap a 3" branch with her jaw.....
Oh and I prefer my SIG .22. If she doesn't kill 'em first.
Oh and I prefer my SIG .22. If she doesn't kill 'em first.
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old dude
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i have a verity of things to use even semi autos but i would use a bolt action enfield jungle carbine that im very good with, here in ny self defence is touchy and something that would be your very last resort. since we sleep up stairs they would have to climb the stairs in the dark to get you and they would be very hard to miss with a bright flashligt attached to the barrel shinning on them there chance of even surviveing would be slim to non ,if theres a friend behind him he would get it also from the first shot,the bullet would go into the floor behind them at the bottom of the stairs as a safe backstop.the rifle itself also can be used if you remember your military training.
