High School Shooting less than 1 hour from where I live

[NavyLCDR]

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Perfect timing for the I-594 (universal background check) vote in WA. The anti-s will be screaming, "See! We told you so!" even though the background checks they are pushing for will do nothing to stop these shootings. In fact, the background checks will tie up law enforcement resources doing thousands of background checks on law abiding citizens, 99% of whom will pass, instead of those law enforcement resources being available to actually fight criminals.

 

[BluesStringer]

Navy, didn't someone try to tell you how thin the odds are that you'd ever have to deal with an active shooter while taking your daughter to or from school just the other day? Can't recall who it was, but I'm almost sure I remember that part of an exchange recently. If you recall it, today's events there might be a pertinent example to give for your position in that thread.

Otherwise, sounds like there's three known dead at this time and six being treated at Harborview in Seattle, which I worked at briefly waaaaaaay back in the day. My sister lived in Snohomish County. She had one son before she passed. I'm not sure which high school he went to, but watching the news, I'm very familiar with everyplace being talked about.

Prayers up for everybody effected.

Blues

 

[Axeanda45]

Evil is rising.....

 

[r1derbike]

No shortage of criminally insane murderers. Prayers for the victims and families.

 

[NavyLCDR]

And the Brady Bunch, as usual, never lets a tragedy go to waste:
Statement from Dan Gross, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence on Marysville, WA High School Shooting | Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

And MDA, of course:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-pilchuck-high-school-shooting-232746311.html

And the NRA? True to form, they are allowing grieving families to grieve vice using this tragedy to further their political agenda...
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=nra+marysville
Nothing.

 

[S&W645]

The NRA will likely just issue a statement condemning the violence and leave it at that.

 

[BC1]

Where did this kid get the gun? Anyone know?

 

[aacx22]

Looks to be a case of a teen despairing over losing a girl to another boy. Its a terrible tragedy... but, if it wasn't a gun, it would have been something else, maybe a knife. The problem here is that teens go through a lot when they are growing and sometimes need help to deal with the challenges they face. Maybe his folks were not attentive to him... maybe he just hid his feelings real well. It's just sad. But I don't think we can ever avoid these sort of things 100% either.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Where did this kid get the gun? Anyone know?

Marysville school shooting: Gunman targeted his cousins - CNN.com

The gun used in the shooting has been traced to Fryberg's father, a law enforcement source told CNN.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said investigators are searching the family home.
A Beretta .40-caliber handgun is believed to have been used, a federal law enforcement source told CNN.

Currently, I-594 in Washington state would not require a background check on a person who steals a gun from someone else. If I-594 passes in Washington, the next thing we will have to do is close the "criminals stealing or otherwise illegally obtaining guns" loophole. But that is the last thing on the antis agenda. They want to take guns from good people first, before taking any action against criminals.

Also currently, in Washington state, the Department of Licensing maintains a database of handguns purchased from FFLs in the state. An additional Pistol Transfer Application is required which is forwarded to local LEO agency for an additional background check on the purchaser. This form is then forwarded to the DOL for entry into their database. In Washington, they can cross reference firearm serial number, name and address of the purchaser, and driver's license and/or CPL number. For private transfers, the individuals can, optionally, fill out basically the same form and send it to the DOL, but very few people ever do.

 

[aacx22]

Marysville school shooting: Gunman targeted his cousins - CNN.com



Currently, I-594 in Washington state would not require a background check on a person who steals a gun from someone else. If I-594 passes in Washington, the next thing we will have to do is close the "criminals stealing or otherwise illegally obtaining guns" loophole. But that is the last thing on the antis agenda. They want to take guns from good people first, before taking any action against criminals.

Also currently, in Washington state, the Department of Licensing maintains a database of handguns purchased from FFLs in the state. An additional Pistol Transfer Application is required which is forwarded to local LEO agency for an additional background check on the purchaser. This form is then forwarded to the DOL for entry into their database. In Washington, they can cross reference firearm serial number, name and address of the purchaser, and driver's license and/or CPL number. For private transfers, the individuals can, optionally, fill out basically the same form and send it to the DOL, but very few people ever do.

I'm not sure I get this. Are you saying that in Washington people that steal guns don't require a background check? Are there any places that do require a background check before one is authorized to steal a gun? Sorry, for being a wise aleck, but I think you meant something else, so can you clarify?

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm not sure I get this. Are you saying that in Washington people that steal guns don't require a background check? Are there any places that do require a background check before one is authorized to steal a gun? Sorry, for being a wise aleck, but I think you meant something else, so can you clarify?

I-594 is "universal background checks" being pushed by the anti-gun groups. It requires background checks on nearly all transfers of firearms. You know, "to close the gun show loophole" (that doesn't exist). In the case of the Marysville shooting, I very seriously doubt that the father transferred his handgun to his son in manner. The son likely took it without the father's knowledge. That particular situation is not covered by I-594 because i-594 will only require background checks on transfers - sales, loans and gifts - not thefts. Thus there is a "loophole" in I-594 proposed by the antis because it does not, to the best of my knowledge, require a background check prior to someone stealing a gun. And, as I stated, the anti-gun groups don't really care about that.

 

[NavyLCDR]

She might have been able to completely stop the shoot if she was allowed to have a gun....

Marysville Shooting: First-Year Teacher Intercepted Shooter - NBC News

 

[aacx22]

She might have been able to completely stop the shoot if she was allowed to have a gun....

Marysville Shooting: First-Year Teacher Intercepted Shooter - NBC News

I don't think anything could have stopped this guy from getting his first shots off outside of possibly metal detectors and armed guards at the entrances.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I don't think anything could have stopped this guy from getting his first shots off outside of possibly metal detectors and armed guards at the entrances.

We don't have money left for guards and metal detectors after they spend it on background checks.

 

[dogshawred]

I'm not sure I get this. Are you saying that in Washington people that steal guns don't require a background check? Are there any places that do require a background check before one is authorized to steal a gun? Sorry, for being a wise aleck, but I think you meant something else, so can you clarify?

Sarcasm is just wasted on you isn't it?

 

[aacx22]

We don't have money left for guards and metal detectors after they spend it on background checks.

I don't think that one leads to the next. Background checks are probably not a waste of resources. On the other hand, do the executives of the Los Angeles School Board need $90k drivers scooting them around? Places like that would be where I'd start.

 

[aacx22]

Sarcasm is just wasted on you isn't it?

When it comes from a bit of text on the internet... yep, pretty much. Internet peeps believe all sorts of crazy ****, so if you are saying something that sounds crazy to me, I have no idea whether you believe it or not, unless you indicate its sarcasm in some way.

 

[BC1]

Marysville school shooting: Gunman targeted his cousins - CNN.com



Currently, I-594 in Washington state would not require a background check on a person who steals a gun from someone else. If I-594 passes in Washington, the next thing we will have to do is close the "criminals stealing or otherwise illegally obtaining guns" loophole. But that is the last thing on the antis agenda. They want to take guns from good people first, before taking any action against criminals.

Also currently, in Washington state, the Department of Licensing maintains a database of handguns purchased from FFLs in the state. An additional Pistol Transfer Application is required which is forwarded to local LEO agency for an additional background check on the purchaser. This form is then forwarded to the DOL for entry into their database. In Washington, they can cross reference firearm serial number, name and address of the purchaser, and driver's license and/or CPL number. For private transfers, the individuals can, optionally, fill out basically the same form and send it to the DOL, but very few people ever do.

When I'm not home everything is locked. Only my wife and I have access to the safe. I regularly recommend parents not leave their guns unlocked while not at home when they have teenagers. The kids can go shoot with dad but they aren't handling the guns when he's not around.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I was attempting to use sarcasm to illustrate how completely idiotic the antis' thinking behind I-594 is. The absolute fact of the matter is that if the antis get I-594 passed in Washington, it is going to tie up already scarce law enforcement resources doing tens of thousands of background checks every year on people who are applying for them BECAUSE they do obey the law! There is no funding associated with I-594, so those resources are going to come out of what already exists and thus they will be diverted away from real efforts at investigating crime and criminals in order to investigate people who are obeying the law.

 

[BC1]

Looks to be a case of a teen despairing over losing a girl to another boy. Its a terrible tragedy... but, if it wasn't a gun, it would have been something else, maybe a knife. The problem here is that teens go through a lot when they are growing and sometimes need help to deal with the challenges they face. Maybe his folks were not attentive to him... maybe he just hid his feelings real well. It's just sad. But I don't think we can ever avoid these sort of things 100% either.

And maybe the Pope smokes dope. Maybe doesn't cut it. Every time there's a shooting the progressive thought is to find the cause. Was it the violent movies, video games or music? Did his parents not love him? No one understood him. Was he bullied? Bullcrap. We were ALL bullied and we solved it ourselves. What happened to NUTS???? Kid can't be nuts anymore? This liberal society has created nutty kids. They can't be disciplined or made to work for anything. They are entitled. They're over-protected. They can't keep score in sports and are rewarded for just showing up. News Flash: all people AREN'T equal. Tough luck little Johnny. Tough luck for Johnny's overprotective mom too! How does their little nut handle the real stresses of life when he's been coddled so much. How does he survive working for people like me who demand accountability and performance? And when he's finally booted out of his job... or divorced by his wife... or some other unfortunate event that's part of normal life occurs... what happens then? He's psychologically and socially unprepared to handle the reality of life.
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If someone plans on having kids and believes this progressive movement is of benefit they should reconsider. Stop creating little over-sensitive, entitled crybabies. As a teen my father fired me and then gave me one week to pick a college and enroll or get out of the house. Throwing me into the deep-end was the best thing he ever did.